Tesla Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Called it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Interesting that Glory have said outright that they have done everything by the book and the only bit they were unsure of was a "grey area" in the rules. Considering the charges, it doesnt sound very grey to me. Wonder if they will appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 beautiful I know what you mean but at the same time not so much for us as i reckon we would of secured finals by ourselves, but no team cheating the cap should play finals, good to see ffa didn't give them a slap on the wrist and perth end up finishing 6th for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I want to give these cunts so much shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Interesting that Glory have said outright that they have done everything by the book and the only bit they were unsure of was a "grey area" in the rules. Considering the charges, it doesnt sound very grey to me. Wonder if they will appeal. The sort of spin warnie would be proud of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Not good news for a numbers of reasons but seemed like the logical punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they were over the cap 3 seasons ago then again by a bit more for 2013/2014 and then by a lot more by 2014/2015. Sounde like they kept pushing the boundaries each time they got away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Which begs the question...why wasn't the 2012/13 breach picked up by FFA in June 2013 and then say 3 points deducted at the start of 2013/14? Or in June 2014 and points deducted at the start of this season? Unless FFA have given Perth enough rope to hang themselves. Which they have done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 FFA: At the end of the season Perth will be placed seventh.http://www.a-league.com.au/article/ffa-statement-regarding-perth-glory/rkywtf305w5z1glksczre2xla So we will be playing finals whatever happens. Let's hope we can still make it on merit. We will make it on merit now purely because there is no pressure to peform. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Should b docked points for next 3 seasons to make up for it lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So does cadete owe kingofhearts $50 or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Gallop has said that Perth will have their ladder position adjusted to 7th at the end of the home and away season and miss the finals. What isn't clear is what will happen if they finish the season in top position? Will they win the Premiers Plate? It seems ludicrous that they could but Gallop did say that their position will be adjusted at the completion of H&A season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So does cadete owe kingofhearts $50 or not? That is the bigger question. Whilst being a broke ass uni student i never say no to free money. But its a hollow victory. I'll wait to see what Cadete says. Also this club man, we'll probably finish 6th just to piss me right off 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Gallop has said that Perth will have their ladder position adjusted to 7th at the end of the home and away season and miss the finals. What isn't clear is what will happen if they finish the season in top position? Will they win the Premiers Plate? It seems ludicrous that they could but Gallop did say that their position will be adjusted at the completion of H&A season No, they won't. Because the H&A season will not be "finished" until Perth have been moved down to seventh. It's the right way of going about it. It's both punishment for the club (they have been fined as well) and for the players who have been a part of this. Whether by omission or commission doesn't matter - anyone who is being paid via a family member and who doesn't suspect that to be irregular is a complete tool. Tony Sage and Jason Brewer have been made to look fools. And rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOS Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Gallop has said that Perth will have their ladder position adjusted to 7th at the end of the home and away season and miss the finals. What isn't clear is what will happen if they finish the season in top position? Will they win the Premiers Plate? It seems ludicrous that they could but Gallop did say that their position will be adjusted at the completion of H&A season No, they won't. Because the H&A season will not be "finished" until Perth have been moved down to seventh. It's the right way of going about it. It's both punishment for the club (they have been fined as well) and for the players who have been a part of this. Whether by omission or commission doesn't matter - anyone who is being paid via a family member and who doesn't suspect that to be irregular is a complete tool. Tony Sage and Jason Brewer have been made to look fools. And rightly so. Unless I've missed something Tony Sage has stated all along he would sack Jason Brewer if the allegations were proven, as far as I can see he would only look like a fool if he didn't follow through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Gallop has said that Perth will have their ladder position adjusted to 7th at the end of the home and away season and miss the finals. What isn't clear is what will happen if they finish the season in top position? Will they win the Premiers Plate? It seems ludicrous that they could but Gallop did say that their position will be adjusted at the completion of H&A season No, they won't. Because the H&A season will not be "finished" until Perth have been moved down to seventh. It's the right way of going about it. It's both punishment for the club (they have been fined as well) and for the players who have been a part of this. Whether by omission or commission doesn't matter - anyone who is being paid via a family member and who doesn't suspect that to be irregular is a complete tool. Tony Sage and Jason Brewer have been made to look fools. And rightly so. In that case they shouldn't be in the position of even possibly finishing first as the Premiers Plate shouldn't be tarnished by going to the team that finishes second, even if its the first team to legally finish second. They should be demoted to 7th right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So does cadete owe kingofhearts $50 or not? That is the bigger question. Whilst being a broke ass uni student i never say no to free money. But its a hollow victory. I'll wait to see what Cadete says. Also this club man, we'll probably finish 6th just to piss me right off Hollow victory or not bruv, a win is a win. I think 95% of the forum want you to claim that $50, just so we can all reminisce down the track about that one time cadete was wrong. Maybe change your username to Steven Bradbury to commemorate such a tin arse fluke victory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 These cunts got REKT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Gallop has said that Perth will have their ladder position adjusted to 7th at the end of the home and away season and miss the finals. What isn't clear is what will happen if they finish the season in top position? Will they win the Premiers Plate? It seems ludicrous that they could but Gallop did say that their position will be adjusted at the completion of H&A season No, they won't. Because the H&A season will not be "finished" until Perth have been moved down to seventh. It's the right way of going about it. It's both punishment for the club (they have been fined as well) and for the players who have been a part of this. Whether by omission or commission doesn't matter - anyone who is being paid via a family member and who doesn't suspect that to be irregular is a complete tool. Tony Sage and Jason Brewer have been made to look fools. And rightly so. Unless I've missed something Tony Sage has stated all along he would sack Jason Brewer if the allegations were proven, as far as I can see he would only look like a fool if he didn't follow through. We should sign Brewer, he got us to 5th Edited April 10, 2015 by belaguttman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) So how are Perth so far over the salary cap this season when the season isn't over yet? So every dollar paid from now on is also over? I doubt it. What if they didn't pay a single dollar more in wages from today for this season, are they still over? Or are they not actually over and it's just that they hid payments that's the issue? Edited April 10, 2015 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Gallop has said that Perth will have their ladder position adjusted to 7th at the end of the home and away season and miss the finals. What isn't clear is what will happen if they finish the season in top position? Will they win the Premiers Plate? It seems ludicrous that they could but Gallop did say that their position will be adjusted at the completion of H&A seasonI suspect the importance of this is in regard to ACL qualification. They can still qualify I reckon. Edit - totally wrong ACL is specifically excluded. Edited April 10, 2015 by Shahanga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So how are Perth so far over the salary cap this season when the season isn't over yet? So every dollar paid from now on is also over? I doubt it. What if they didn't pay a single dollar more in wages from today for this season, are they still over? Or are they not actually over and it's just that they hid payments that's the issue? Good question. I suspect it's the later. They made dodgy payments to 3rd parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well the first 2 seasons were very minor as, when you took away the media hype, seemed to be the case. It's this season they've gone to town. And we all thought our club was slack not being able to sign a striker of Keogh's quality under the cap.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So how are Perth so far over the salary cap this season when the season isn't over yet? So every dollar paid from now on is also over? I doubt it. What if they didn't pay a single dollar more in wages from today for this season, are they still over? Or are they not actually over and it's just that they hid payments that's the issue? Good question. I suspect it's the later. They made dodgy payments to 3rd parties. It's both. The FFA statement says that since the beginning of this season they have been operating $400,000 above the salary cap - in other words, had FFA not jumped on them and detected the rule breaches they would have been $400,000 over by the end of the contract periods. The adjustments they are trying to make now - ending Nichols' loan and deferring a couple of payments until next season - aren't enough to compensate what they've already paid to third parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage. Edited April 10, 2015 by Tony999 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage. The whole FFAxSydney conspiracy theories which constantly pop up in this forum get a little old... different circumstances and different context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Dont dispute the decision handed to Perth but it's a sticky situation considering its been done in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage. Sydney have made good use of the injury replacement rule. They also have made good use of their marquee spots. Then they have a bunch of youngsters on probably minimum wage. I'm more suspicious about the visitors TBH. Surely not legitimately under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage. Sydney have made good use of the injury replacement rule. They also have made good use of their marquee spots. Then they have a bunch of youngsters on probably minimum wage. I'm more suspicious about the visitors TBH. Surely not legitimately under the cap. khalfallah barbarouses delpiere valeri coe would probly all be on decent money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage.Sydney have made good use of the injury replacement rule. They also have made good use of their marquee spots. Then they have a bunch of youngsters on probably minimum wage.I'm more suspicious about the visitors TBH. Surely not legitimately under the cap.khalfallah barbarouses delpiere valeri coe would probly all be on decent moneySurely at least $1m between those 5.Then you have Thompson, Georgievski, Finkler who are also on good money you'd think. Broxham would probably earn a decent amount too. Edited April 10, 2015 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage. Sydney have made good use of the injury replacement rule. They also have made good use of their marquee spots. Then they have a bunch of youngsters on probably minimum wage. I'm more suspicious about the visitors TBH. Surely not legitimately under the cap. khalfallah barbarouses delpiere valeri coe would probly all be on decent money Surely at least $1m between those 5. Then you have Thompson, Georgievski, Finkler who are also on good money you'd think. Broxham would probably earn a decent amount too. forgot about the maco, he was in the ucl not too long ago i think, they probly have all 3 of those melling type youth contracts being used to free up space but would it be enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they are fining Perth from 3 seasons ago yet Sydney-Frank-Lowy FC cheated in the first season and were able to keep the premiers plate. Double standards here. And how are Sydney FC under the cap now with the players they have? The average players must be on a very average wage.Sydney have made good use of the injury replacement rule. They also have made good use of their marquee spots. Then they have a bunch of youngsters on probably minimum wage.I'm more suspicious about the visitors TBH. Surely not legitimately under the cap.khalfallah barbarouses delpiere valeri coe would probly all be on decent moneySurely at least $1m between those 5.Then you have Thompson, Georgievski, Finkler who are also on good money you'd think. Broxham would probably earn a decent amount too.forgot about the maco, he was in the ucl not too long ago i think, they probly have all 3 of those melling type youth contracts being used to free up space but would it be enoughThe thing is, the visitors, just like Sydney and even us, fill their remaining places with youngsters who are most likely on the minimum or at least close to it. You look at Perth's squad, and there arent too many players there that would be on the minimum or close to it. That's really what makes the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 So how are Perth so far over the salary cap this season when the season isn't over yet? So every dollar paid from now on is also over? I doubt it. What if they didn't pay a single dollar more in wages from today for this season, are they still over? Or are they not actually over and it's just that they hid payments that's the issue? From this article - http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/perth-glory-fined-269000-and-booted-out-of-aleague-finals-series-for-salary-cap-breaches-20150410-1mifve.html 'Perth Glory tried to bring their salary cap breach down by agreeing with players to withhold payments until next season. However, the FFA ruled that practice to trim salary expenditure in the final two months of reporting is not permitted.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well the first 2 seasons were very minor as, when you took away the media hype, seemed to be the case. It's this season they've gone to town. And we all thought our club was slack not being able to sign a striker of Keogh's quality under the cap.. I do not understand why the FFA didn't crack down on it in the very first season they were over. Basically what they're saying is that if you're only over the cap by a certain ammount it's okay, but if you exceed that extra ammount then you're cheating. From the moment they went over by even a cent thwy should have been punished. Obviously smaller punishmemts for smaller infringements but to let it go on for three seasons before you act is a complete joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 The reason is a whistleblower tipped them off which put this whole thing in motion. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Alistair Edwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Tbh, big difference as far as accidentally breaking the salary cap or bending the rules and systematically cheating it. Perth appear to have systematically cheated the system, and as such deserve the full extent of the penalties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well the first 2 seasons were very minor as, when you took away the media hype, seemed to be the case. It's this season they've gone to town. And we all thought our club was slack not being able to sign a striker of Keogh's quality under the cap..I do not understand why the FFA didn't crack down on it in the very first season they were over. Basically what they're saying is that if you're only over the cap by a certain ammount it's okay, but if you exceed that extra ammount then you're cheating. From the moment they went over by even a cent thwy should have been punished. Obviously smaller punishmemts for smaller infringements but to let it go on for three seasons before you act is a complete joke. Don't think they found out about the previous seasons until they dug into it recently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Perth have lodged an appeal to the supreme court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well the first 2 seasons were very minor as, when you took away the media hype, seemed to be the case. It's this season they've gone to town. And we all thought our club was slack not being able to sign a striker of Keogh's quality under the cap.. I do not understand why the FFA didn't crack down on it in the very first season they were over. Basically what they're saying is that if you're only over the cap by a certain ammount it's okay, but if you exceed that extra ammount then you're cheating. From the moment they went over by even a cent thwy should have been punished. Obviously smaller punishmemts for smaller infringements but to let it go on for three seasons before you act is a complete joke. I would guess that there is a smallish margin that is allowed to cater for unforeseen circumstances - perhaps, off the top of my head, something like a visa player having to go home for family reasons during the season and the expenses associated with that - and that provided an adequate explanation is provided to FFA then that would be allowed to pass. But in this case Perth appear to have deliberately set out to conceal payments made to players and agents and appear to have knowingly flouted the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 The whole season is now tainted. Honestly the cap should jut go, it was pretty borderline as to whether the benefits outweighed the costs before this incident, but now when you factor in that cap breaches like the are a reality and can ruin a season and bring the game into disrepute, it pushes the costs above the benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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