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1 hour ago, NewConvert said:

So if I read this correctly at the end of next season the following players are out contract: Matt Sutton (G); defenders Rostyn Griffiths and Nathaniel Atkinson; midfielders Florin Berenguer, Connor Metcalfe and Anthony Lesiotis; forwards Stefan Colavsky and R Borges Rodrigues. If Metcalfe departs, and I do expect him to depart for overseas, then the mid-field will look rather thin. For that matter any suspension or injury will make it thin.

I don't think that you can expect anything different. I probably should put their ages into the list, and you will see that one or two are potential retirees, and I would have little doubt that Petrillo would be hoping to re-sign Atkinson and Cola (just as examples). But the reality is, if we extrapolate from the past, players under contract  won't be prevented from leaving if they really want to, whatever their contract situation.

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On 22/10/2021 at 7:54 AM, jw1739 said:

I don't think that you can expect anything different. I probably should put their ages into the list, and you will see that one or two are potential retirees, and I would have little doubt that Petrillo would be hoping to re-sign Atkinson and Cola (just as examples). But the reality is, if we extrapolate from the past, players under contract  won't be prevented from leaving if they really want to, whatever their contract situation.

I think you are definitely wrong on the text in bold. Genreau for example, wanted desperately to leave but was forced to sit out his entire contract. His value of course was that he was a Home Grown player. Metcalfe, Atkinson and Colkovski are also Home Grown and therefore outside the cap. So that is a whole lot of $ made available inside the cap for visa players or the high profile locals. City will not permit these players to leave until their contract ends. Rostyn would likely be on a loyalty circumstance also given he is in his 4th year. The only signed scholarship players who have been permitted to leave as i see it, were all U18 and considered minors. 

BTW this is the SFC model of salary management. SFC promise the world to aspiring 'youth' of 20 - 22/23YO just to keep their bench and depth littered with 'older more experienced youth'. Some of these players would be starters or bench on match day in other AL clubs. - Think Swibel, Van Der Saag (still on a scholarship as i understand!) Zuvela, (i am sure their are plenty of others) who are still on Scholarship, or HG low ball contracts. Now i am stuffed if i know why these players stay at SFC as for some their careers will be exhausted before they are given a real chance, a chance that is clearly available at another club in the A league. But maybe the SFC contracts are long and pretty watertight, for their own benefit. consider a Young player that at 19YO signs a 4 year contract only to never play., or play a bit part for ACL or FFA cup. Sydney reap all the salary cap benefits with no genuine desire for the players development. It is just a means to allow them to stack their Ist team with more experienced higher cost first XI players. 

With us, we a have Metcalfe and Atkinson as bolted on Ist team players, with Cola as a fast approaching possibility. This means a cap saving of around 600K on first team players. which is probably Nabbout and some left over for the new Italian guy. So IMO No way in hell do City let players depart 'if they really want to'. 

SFC have clearly demonstrated the benefit of this strategy as evidenced by their trophy cabinet. I obviously beleive that our Youth development concepts are far more genuine than theirs, but a contract is a contract. So if you are 18 and older and have signed with City for a fixed term. IMO you could expect to serve it in full. 

i think Atkinson and Metcalfe will only be with us for this season before going OS BTW. 

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5 hours ago, citymad said:

I think you are definitely wrong on the text in bold. Genreau for example, wanted desperately to leave but was forced to sit out his entire contract. His value of course was that he was a Home Grown player. Metcalfe, Atkinson and Colkovski are also Home Grown and therefore outside the cap. So that is a whole lot of $ made available inside the cap for visa players or the high profile locals. City will not permit these players to leave until their contract ends. Rostyn would likely be on a loyalty circumstance also given he is in his 4th year. The only signed scholarship players who have been permitted to leave as i see it, were all U18 and considered minors. 

BTW this is the SFC model of salary management. SFC promise the world to aspiring 'youth' of 20 - 22/23YO just to keep their bench and depth littered with 'older more experienced youth'. Some of these players would be starters or bench on match day in other AL clubs. - Think Swibel, Van Der Saag (still on a scholarship as i understand!) Zuvela, (i am sure their are plenty of others) who are still on Scholarship, or HG low ball contracts. Now i am stuffed if i know why these players stay at SFC as for some their careers will be exhausted before they are given a real chance, a chance that is clearly available at another club in the A league. But maybe the SFC contracts are long and pretty watertight, for their own benefit. consider a Young player that at 19YO signs a 4 year contract only to never play., or play a bit part for ACL or FFA cup. Sydney reap all the salary cap benefits with no genuine desire for the players development. It is just a means to allow them to stack their Ist team with more experienced higher cost first XI players. 

With us, we a have Metcalfe and Atkinson as bolted on Ist team players, with Cola as a fast approaching possibility. This means a cap saving of around 600K on first team players. which is probably Nabbout and some left over for the new Italian guy. So IMO No way in hell do City let players depart 'if they really want to'. 

SFC have clearly demonstrated the benefit of this strategy as evidenced by their trophy cabinet. I obviously beleive that our Youth development concepts are far more genuine than theirs, but a contract is a contract. So if you are 18 and older and have signed with City for a fixed term. IMO you could expect to serve it in full. 

i think Atkinson and Metcalfe will only be with us for this season before going OS BTW. 

You conveniently left out the qualifier that precedes the bolded text "...if we extrapolate from the past...." Perhaps you are correct in your statement about Denis Genreau, but if so, it was completely pointless to make him sit out his contract because he wasn't being played.

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13 hours ago, jw1739 said:

You conveniently left out the qualifier that precedes the bolded text "...if we extrapolate from the past...." Perhaps you are correct in your statement about Denis Genreau, but if so, it was completely pointless to make him sit out his contract because he wasn't being played.

It made perfect sense for the management in a Salary Capped league such as ours, and is the entire point.I think it is a bad thing especially when it affects young players.I am just saying that Young players can be caught in a bind via a long contract that in the first instance seems generous and full of promise of playing reward. They should be permitted to seek other options but the HG status trumps player preference. 

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22 hours ago, citymad said:

This means a cap saving of around 600K on first team players. which is probably Nabbout and some left over for the new Italian guy. So IMO No way in hell do City let players depart 'if they really want to'. 

Pucciarelli is a Designated player outside the cap in 300-600k range 

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35 minutes ago, citymad said:

I guess that means more money for players inside the cap. 

Definitely needed, given the season we put together. The club's done an amazing job at keeping the squad together, keeping the departures to a minimum and the new signings being perfect replacements.

Squads like Victory, WSW and Macarthur all look great on paper with the array of new high-calibre signings but I imagine there'll be a sizeable lag between expectations and results as there always is when teams end up needing time to gel.

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On 23/10/21 at 12:58 PM, citymad said:

I think Atkinson and Metcalfe will only be with us for this season before going OS BTW. 

By the sounds of things, Petrillo will be doing all he can to keep them here for another two seasons. I’m a broken record on this but it’s better for these guys to stay until around 23-24 before heading overseas. Get a 100+ senior appearances, become one of the best in the league in your position and then make the leap.

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4 hours ago, Harrison said:

By the sounds of things, Petrillo will be doing all he can to keep them here for another two seasons. I’m a broken record on this but it’s better for these guys to stay until around 23-24 before heading overseas. Get a 100+ senior appearances, become one of the best in the league in your position and then make the leap.

I could see Atkinson leaving at the end of this season personally as he could be argued as the best in his position already, imo metcalfe needs another season or two to really prove he is the best box to box type midfielder in the league

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IMO Metcalfe is better than Genreau and Devlin as a midfielder and they have done Ok so far. Metcalfe will have at least 85 Pro games if you include ACL and FFA cup before the end of the season so i think he is ready to have a shot OS. other players such as Duncan have also done well (barring the ACL injury). There is always a risk of course but i believe he should take it. 

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1 hour ago, Mr MO said:

So would we be looking at movement in the January window?

At the moment our two incoming have been duds. Leckie has been poor and is now injured whilst Pucciarelli has done one half of a cup match against non league opposition and has barely warmed the bench otherwise. Tilio is better than Leckie on current form. Meanwhile our keeper has the yips and is a liability. It's early doors yet and things can easily improve, but right now, those are the squad issues I'd be looking at.

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1 hour ago, fensaddler said:

At the moment our two incoming have been duds. Leckie has been poor and is now injured whilst Pucciarelli has done one half of a cup match against non league opposition and has barely warmed the bench otherwise. Tilio is better than Leckie on current form. Meanwhile our keeper has the yips and is a liability. It's early doors yet and things can easily improve, but right now, those are the squad issues I'd be looking at.

GK is the issue I would be addressing least getting a more mature back up to put pressure on Glover. 

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4 hours ago, fensaddler said:

At the moment our two incoming have been duds. Leckie has been poor and is now injured whilst Pucciarelli has done one half of a cup match against non league opposition and has barely warmed the bench otherwise. Tilio is better than Leckie on current form. Meanwhile our keeper has the yips and is a liability. It's early doors yet and things can easily improve, but right now, those are the squad issues I'd be looking at.

I assume the Italian was meant to be a replacement for Luna, we are really missing him and look mid table at the moment. Although there's been some strange squad selections, like Atkinson and Tilio on the bench after being standouts last season.

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3 minutes ago, fensaddler said:

No apologies necessary! It seems the transfer is official but with the COVID outbreak at the club he may not yet have actually left. 

Remembering that he and Nabbout actually signed for Perth until COVID intervened....

Other than that, we've now lost three key players from last season's successes - Luna, Noone, and now Atkinson.

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