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.....not when AFL insiders are tonight predicting AFL  matches in empty stadiums from late April.

Serious threat to the A-League finals series and of course the grand final. 

No joke.  Coronavirus.

The one season Heart/City may actually make it......based on current form.......and we'll all be banned.

I'm not making this up.

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If that does play out, probably 50/50 at this point, the chances of it being in Melbourne are far less. So if we make the granny it would nearly only be against Sydney, and what would actually our away support be 800 to 1000 absolute tops, probably 400 to 500 in this current situation. 

The home support would be 30k plus.

So to play the granny away to Sydney in an empty stadium to me (who wouldn't travel regardless) is a positive and might just get us over the line.

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All driven by panic and misinformation.

For example, today's statement that the number of cases in Victoria had risen by 2 to 22.

What you have to search for is that fact that of the 20 cases,  8 have recovered, 1 is in hospital and the others are recovering in home isolation.

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1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

All driven by panic and misinformation.

For example, today's statement that the number of cases in Victoria had risen by 2 to 22.

What you have to search for is that fact that of the 20 cases,  8 have recovered, 1 is in hospital and the others are recovering in home isolation.

In 2018 the flu infected 34 million people and killed 34,000 people.

For perspective, if this virus were to infect 34 million (same amount) it will result in about 1.1 million dead (3.4%).

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23 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

In 2018 the flu infected 34 million people and killed 34,000 people.

For perspective, if this virus were to infect 34 million (same amount) it will result in about 1.1 million dead (3.4%).

The true mortality rate is estimated to be under 1%...

But don't ask me to back that up because I can't find the article I read it in (may have been AFR).

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7 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said:

In 2018 the flu infected 34 million people and killed 34,000 people.

For perspective, if this virus were to infect 34 million (same amount) it will result in about 1.1 million dead (3.4%).

The stats I’ve seen (if you look at recovery vs death) is closer to 5%.
Frankly I’m surprised so many people think a condition that spreads rapidly, with such a high mortality rate, is not incredibly dangerous.

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34 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

The stats I’ve seen (if you look at recovery vs death) is closer to 5%.
Frankly I’m surprised so many people think a condition that spreads rapidly, with such a high mortality rate, is not incredibly dangerous.

I think that the issue is, unlike influenza, that the mortality rate is affected by age. The older you are the more likely is that it will be fatal and if you have existing preconditions the likely hood increases yet again. If you are under 20 you are going to recover and have some natural immunity.

What baffles me is the over-reaction by governments and the public.

Two caveats: if you are a medical professional working with COVID-19 carriers then you are going to get it and your mortality rate is high; secondly we don't know whether if you survive that in the future you won't have additional complications.

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9 hours ago, malloy said:

The true mortality rate is estimated to be under 1%...

But don't ask me to back that up because I can't find the article I read it in (may have been AFR).

I've seen as high as 6% in Italy. I'm not that concerned on a personal level. It is the elderly population (my neighbors are 1 million) and health care workers who will be disproportionately affected.

Pandora's box is open though so just ride the wave of memes and wash ya hands.

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9 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

I've seen as high as 6% in Italy. I'm not that concerned on a personal level. It is the elderly population (my neighbors are 1 million) and health care workers who will be disproportionately affected.

Pandora's box is open though so just ride the wave of memes and wash ya hands.

The issue with these early 'statistics' is the mild to moderate cases are easily missed or not counted (take the doctor who was showing flu symptons, but not those of corona virus and tested positive purely because he had access to do the test on himself).

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1 minute ago, malloy said:

The issue with these early 'statistics' is the mild to moderate cases are easily missed or not counted (take the doctor who was showing flu symptons, but not those of corona virus and tested positive purely because he had access to do the test on himself).

I would apply the same to the flu as well though. Obviously no way of capturing every case. The WHO have declared it a pandemic now and I suspect they know more than most about it. 

Either way population needs thinning a little and large scale wars are a thing of the past.

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33 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

I would apply the same to the flu as well though. Obviously no way of capturing every case. The WHO have declared it a pandemic now and I suspect they know more than most about it. 

Either way population needs thinning a little and large scale wars are a thing of the past.

It's a cold and deep dark truth that most people don't want to mention above a whisper. 

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10 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said:

In 2018 the flu infected 34 million people and killed 34,000 people.

For perspective, if this virus were to infect 34 million (same amount) it will result in about 1.1 million dead (3.4%).

In no way was I attempting to downplay the significance of the virus. But reporting needs to be objective and present, as far as is possible, the true facts. Also there are ways of reporting that will discourage panic rather than encourage it. 97% of those infected will recover looks a lot better than 3% will die. Further, our leaders should also act and speak in a way that discourages panic - for example, statements purporting to come from Daniel Andrews are nothing short of inflammatory.

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5 hours ago, NewConvert said:

What baffles me is the over-reaction by governments and the public.

Incoming rant/tangent. 

I'm a little baffled by that statement to be honest. The Government has literally done fuck all and set us up to fail once again.

Flights from Wuhan and other effected cities were pouring 40,000 Chinese into our country every week. We had a real good chance of not being effected by this at all and before someone brings up the fact that its basically done nothing to us and may not, keep in mind its an extremely contagious virus and has a morality rate 40 times higher than a bad seasonal flu. No vaccine and its yet to mutate and possible become deadlier, like the Spanish Flu did. 

The excuse was the economic impact... Ye I agree and thats because society is up to their eye balls in private debt, it seems 1 month without a pay check cripples most people. Saving for a rainy day went out the window in the 90s when the banks ramped up their borrowing capacities and lowered interests rates. Supported by the Government of course who lined their pockets in the process and set up society to never be able to take a set back in terms of work/production, even if it means dying from a virus. 

The whole Western World has been in a bubble for a long time now and they think they can stop it from popping with a stimulus packages or better yet just letting anyone over 50 die waiting in line for treatment. All it takes is 1 deadly global pandemic to show that a government run health system is complete and utter failure. It should only be their to support those truly in need and the rest should be 100% privatised and therefore affordable to the middle class. When push comes to shove you'll see that all the cheapskates will be willing to pay for treatment. I just paid $600 worth of fees for the wife to see 2 specialists (15min each) and got quoted $3500 for 3 hour operation. Its that expensive coz most of the medical staff who specialise in that field are working in the public system with a waiting list as long as a donkeys dong. There's no competition, meanwhile the emergency departments across this country are full of drunks, drug addicts and cheapskate hypochondriacs clogging it up and costing us millions in theft (aka taxation) every year. 

Anyway, in terms of the actual virus, I called pandemic over a month ago and went as far as Spanish Flu. I feel I'm at "orange line" at the moment and the "Green line" will be awarded at some point coz Covid-19 is going to kill millions. 

 

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1 hour ago, HeartFc said:

Incoming rant/tangent. 

I'm a little baffled by that statement to be honest. The Government has literally done fuck all and set us up to fail once again.

Flights from Wuhan and other effected cities were pouring 40,000 Chinese into our country every week. We had a real good chance of not being effected by this at all and before someone brings up the fact that its basically done nothing to us and may not, keep in mind its an extremely contagious virus and has a morality rate 40 times higher than a bad seasonal flu. No vaccine and its yet to mutate and possible become deadlier, like the Spanish Flu did. 

The excuse was the economic impact... Ye I agree and thats because society is up to their eye balls in private debt, it seems 1 month without a pay check cripples most people. Saving for a rainy day went out the window in the 90s when the banks ramped up their borrowing capacities and lowered interests rates. Supported by the Government of course who lined their pockets in the process and set up society to never be able to take a set back in terms of work/production, even if it means dying from a virus. 

The whole Western World has been in a bubble for a long time now and they think they can stop it from popping with a stimulus packages or better yet just letting anyone over 50 die waiting in line for treatment. All it takes is 1 deadly global pandemic to show that a government run health system is complete and utter failure. It should only be their to support those truly in need and the rest should be 100% privatised and therefore affordable to the middle class. When push comes to shove you'll see that all the cheapskates will be willing to pay for treatment. I just paid $600 worth of fees for the wife to see 2 specialists (15min each) and got quoted $3500 for 3 hour operation. Its that expensive coz most of the medical staff who specialise in that field are working in the public system with a waiting list as long as a donkeys dong. There's no competition, meanwhile the emergency departments across this country are full of drunks, drug addicts and cheapskate hypochondriacs clogging it up and costing us millions in theft (aka taxation) every year. 

Anyway, in terms of the actual virus, I called pandemic over a month ago and went as far as Spanish Flu. I feel I'm at "orange line" at the moment and the "Green line" will be awarded at some point coz Covid-19 is going to kill millions. 

 

Sorry to say mate but this is the biggest load of crap I have read in a long time and that's a big achievement given the amount of crap that I post up.

Anyway, well done.

Stand in line a get that vaccine because that will help.:droy:

The Corona virus hyperbole is just a con, it has been around for decades and is just the latest effort by the UN to put fear into the world.

Most of the high death rates have been in China which is a communist oppressive government that has the sole objective of having total control over the population and have them worship the state.

Do you really trust their stats? seriously?

The UN controlled media is just an extension of the Marxist/communist agenda to take your liberties away by putting everyone in a state of perpetual fear.

The Corona virus is nothing more than a truncated and geneticly engineered influenza strain like N1H1, swine, bird flu etc.

Look at the mortality rates in China compare to the rest of the world from a week ago as they are worlds apart and where corona is in line with normal influenza. Today we see that deaths are increasing rapidly, why, because they have to do something to make it look scary because people are clueing on the the truth.

I have lived through all the flu crap and I am in the health sciences, look at the stats and white papers and see the crap that is being fed to the population through the media.

My advice is, don't believe anything in the MSM and don't believe me, just do your own proper research with no preconceived bias and see where the data is, where it leads you, and make you own conclusions.

 

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I think you misunderstand me. I believe the Government and main stream media are underplaying this.

You seem very confused about my position. No I do not trust the stats which the CCP and MSM have been feeding us, I have always thought it was much worse. 

Most of the high death rates have been in China... Ok? The place where it came from and has a crazy population density. WHAT A SHOCK!

Here are some examples of why I have this position:

  • The CCP were threatening people in China, including a doctor who were warning about the virus and its spread. 
  • Social media was being controlled heavily and suspending WeChat accounts but using keyword detectors. 
  • The CCP realised manufactured stats which did not match their own actions in the Hubei province ie. building emergency treatment centre over a mere "2500 cases". 
  • WHO only just declared it and pandemic, way too late. 
  • A number of MSM outlets declared corona as just another flu, mocking those who warned of its potentially deadly spread.
  • Western governments did not react accordingly, allowing flights from risk areas to land, putting macro economics before the health of their people. 
  • Meanwhile Russia closed its borders and have managed to contained the virus
  • A number scientists which have been using Youtube to give excellent information on Coronavirus had their channels monetised and been attacked on MSM as whack jobs.
  • The government has declared that wearing masks as useless and to not bother wearing them.

 

I have a friend in Paris who tells me theres no panic or riots. Just empty streets.

My OWN research brought me to my precise conclusion because the MSM didnt give any information at all. Just headlines. On youtube I learnt about R noughts, antibodies, spread prevention and much more.

So whats your conclusion? The government wants us to get vaccines to poison us?

I'm a sensible level of woke, your level is past the rabbit hole, around the corner and up Alice's rear end. 

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"Ms Mikakos said the cancellation of mass gatherings would happen after Victoria had developed significant community transmissions but at this point, there had not been a single case of unknown community transmission in Australia."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/victoria-coronavirus-covid19-cases-reach-27/12050046

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1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

"Ms Mikakos said the cancellation of mass gatherings would happen after Victoria had developed significant community transmissions but at this point, there had not been a single case of unknown community transmission in Australia."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/victoria-coronavirus-covid19-cases-reach-27/12050046

Where did castaway and Wilson get it then?

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Shouldn't be too much of an issue for our games. Plenty of spare seats. Stop the game every 15 minutes and you have 5 minutes to run to a new area away from the people you were sitting near. Great fun for all the families and some much needed exercise for the fatties.

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On 12/03/2020 at 9:02 AM, jw1739 said:

In no way was I attempting to downplay the significance of the virus. But reporting needs to be objective and present, as far as is possible, the true facts. Also there are ways of reporting that will discourage panic rather than encourage it. 97% of those infected will recover looks a lot better than 3% will die. Further, our leaders should also act and speak in a way that discourages panic - for example, statements purporting to come from Daniel Andrews are nothing short of inflammatory.

I not only stand by my original post, but I am now incredibly pessimistic about the prospect of seeing any more games at AAMI Park after the Wanderers' visit. 

The media's reporting has been very informative, to my mind.   Your 97%  figure often seen, in more intelligent areas of the media.

The stupidity of people ''processing'' that reporting is the issue.

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And there we have it.  After Sunday. that's it for the A League until further notice.

You can be sure all sporting codes will follow this ''advice'' to the letter.

https://www.news.com.au/national/scott-morrison-gives-address-to-the-nation-amid-coronavirus-crisis/news-story/8de03ddfa2dda47c06edef9c0ba0f87b 

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1 hour ago, thisphantomfortress said:

Apparently relocation to aus. No point imo season will be off in the next 10 days. (Green line if I'm correct)

WP have a game against Victory today, another one against Sydney on Wednesday and then next Sunday they have a game against Newcastle. So they don't need to return to NZ until the next Sunday. For me would be to have all the teams play an even amount of games and then they can call it quits. They may do that by re-shuffling the later games, finish the competition early and no finals series. Unless of course the A-League decide to cancel the season altogether or are forced to do so. Force Majeure comes to mind.

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1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

It's incredibly irritating when the advice changes by the hour. And is inconsistent.

Because of the advice to "stock up for a few days" from this Murphy bloke there's been panic buying of meat at our local Coles this afternoon.

Fucking stupidity to advise people to do that.

Morrison needs to get his act together quick smart or there will be trouble.

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