Torn Asunder
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... and don't forget substitutions
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Was at the game. Crowd wasn't too bad, all things considered. Absolutely oppressively hot. Our boys wanted it more both attacking and defending... shame bout the penalty as I reckon the flood gates would have opened
Bos is a freakn gun
Good subs by Rado ... all helped us keep control of the game
Nabbout is horribly out of form and could have cost us a goal with several poor decisions
Big effort by the boys. Congratulations
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I feel for the Active Members who now miss, but Active fucked up royally by trying to disrupt the game with flares. I'm OK with the punishment. Active support is not bigger than the game. Maybe they'll learn from this and not act like a bunch of nongs in the future
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Simple solution is that Active groups should be bound to behave in accordance with a a code of conduct. If they breach these codes, penalties could range from removed privileges, to active being shut down, all the way through to actual team penalties (loss of points, and behind closed door mateches). Anyone who is an active member should have to agree to the code of conduct. Also, each Active should have leaders, recognised by the club and the league.
As much as active members like to think they are independent from the club and matchday rules, they aren't. They are simply one part of the crowd. Their behaviour should be reflective of a family friendly atmosphere, not hostile chants and aggressive actions
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The league needs to take a good look at the rules around active
The culture of active support has gone down the wrong path, mostly evident at the Tards, WSW, but also at City and Sydney ...
I think the following 3 things should be set in place for active and it would resolve a heap ...
1. No covering faces
2. No swearing in chants
3. No middle finger solutes
People will deride me for this, but these 3 things bring a lot of hostility and aggression to the experience, and also attract a certain fringe element who seek anarchy and violence. To me, as a lifetime attendee of a Heart/City games, these 3 things are so dumb and immature and they just add nothing
Can active still support loudly and sing passionately without these 3 things? Yes of course they can. The people that need these things as part of their outlet are not really there for the game, they're there for the aggression.
And when there is an undercurrent of aggression eventually it'll boil over, like the shameful events of last night's derby
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Victory Active are absolute scum and have just marked the worst day in aleague history with their stupidy.
League needs to come down ferocious on them ...
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TV report is Glover is concussed and has received stitches ..
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Net damaged by a flare. Camera man injured by flare. Still no word on Glover. Looked like a fair whack to the head. Cameras caught it, and the victory thug who did it, who needs to be sent to prison Decision on game still being made.
Victory should lose points for this and be forced to play to no fans for the next 5 home games
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Glover was bleeding from the head. Ref also assaulted ... game may be done
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Pleased he has moved on, and best wished to him in France. Will be very interesting to see how the cultured French players response to his shirt punching fire up tactics.
Really hope we get Des back onboard
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We needed a new manager just for the tournament. Someone with some genuine international credibility. Its worked in the past and would be better than Arnold.
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I felt for Nathaniel ... he was brutally exposed ... Mbappe is a beast of a player. One on one, even at Champions League level he tears players apart. Arnie's plan of having an inexperienced young defender on him was a sheep to the lions scenario.
France very quickly worked out how to completely annihilate us all over the park. I reckon Kewell was on the money, we needed to be a bit more aggressive at times, but this would have meant making subs much earlier. 3 at the back with two wing backs may have worked better and given us more cover ... Tilio should have got some minutes
Without sounding dire, I doubt we will win a game this cup. Tunisia will overpower us, and we will have no answer for Eriksen.
To me, that is where Football Australia fucked up - they should have brought in a new manager (someone with serious credentials) and instructed them to use it as a platform for next world cup, rather than a regression in result from the last cup
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Couldn't see a topic for this ... so here is one
I predicted a 4 nil loss to France so pleased we at least scored one.
Mbappe was in beast mode, Nathaniel needed some more cover
Thought Arnold could have brought on our young attacking options a bit earlier to try and help us get forward a bit more, but the truth (reality) is Framce is 3 classes above and could have scored 8
Just as a note, the following players that played day have all had time at Melbourne City (Heart)
Behich (our best player today), Goodwin, Leckie, McGree, Mooy
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TBH, that ref was shite all night ... he managed the game with no consistency or authority and looked out of his depth ...
TBF, Wellington also look good for goals all game. Ufuk is a decent tactical coach and he beat our team structures with his positioning against our style. This happens most times when we get a decent run on and beat a few teams in a row. A better tactical manager comes along and works out how to beat it and PK doesn't know how to respond. They were just set up well to be effective in creating hesitation for our players moving forward, which then created a bunch of turnovers, that they were ready for, and when this happened, off they went
There 2nd goal came from an exact moment like this, where Leckie held the ball too long in attack. He was seemingly in a good position, so our team moved into an attacking arrangement, but they created the turnover after he held the ball for a few seconds too long, and then went forward and eventually scored.
This game was always a danger after the derby win ... the only consolation I take is that we didnt lose (Heart days we would have lost 2-4)
Perth at home will be a good chance to bounce back. They will absolutely look at what Wellington did and try the same
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Should have been a penalty for JMac ... since when can you take a player out with a slide tackle?
In general the ref was shite
Looked a bit flat in the 2nd half ... we were not decisive with our passes today ...
I think Leckie is better in behind JMac
Least we're still undefeated
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Was fantastic watching.
Very interesting to contrast the clear differences in cultures between clubs when comparing the first 3 episodes. From episode 1, you can see why Popovic is highly rated. Warren Moon's style is very casual and it was fascinating to see Charlie Austin's blow up against Connor Chapman - there was no way they were coming back from that against us in round 2.
On PK, its pretty clear now to see why some players wont gel with his style, and get seemingly frozen out. His style is probably akin to Alex Ferguson ... this is a summary of Ferguson's style
" Alex Ferguson leadership style is said to be tough, aggressive and loyal with high ethical standards and commitment toward and from the players. Many of his players highly regarded him and considered him as a disciplinarian with a hard character and a stubborn man."
If anything, this little doco will be invaluable for future signings whilst PK is in charge. If you think about it, when a potential import player hears about Melbourne City and what the club is about, it would sound like a promising prospect ... but in reality, if a player rocks up and cannot accept PK's style, its gonna be a horror show.
With a manager this intense, the players signed need to be comfortable with his approach upfront ... and now at least they can see it up close and personal ... players that respond to this style will do very well (like Berisha who seems pretty intense).
Sort of explains why Noone, Jenkins, hightailed out of here at the first chance, and why the Italian guy got close to no minutes ...
I'm happy with how we have improved this year so far. If PK can keep this up, even with his intense style, then all good for me.
I do tend to agree with @jw1739 ... at certain times, it would not be a fun place to work!
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I'm pleased to see that he is coaching better this season.
Seems like we are better at managing games, and also it's good we are seeing subs
PK also seems slightly calmer on the sidelines and even his pressers have improved
Glover is also playing better ...
Seems like there was some genuine introspection after last year's GF loss and improvements have been made
Also seems like we finally have a full contingent of quality foreign players ... this helps heaps.
Leckie also is looking great
This is what should be expected as a minimum every season
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He's a step up for our team
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Good atmosphere... decent turnout from Geelong ... ref is shite. Berisha looks the real deal, along with Lam.
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On the verge of his second World Cup, Socceroos veteran Aziz Behich is just trying to take it all in
Absolute champion ... loved watching him play for us back in the day. He was a warrior on the pitch and always gave 100%. Hope he has a great World Cup
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A shitty loss against a team that shouldn't be playing in the Australia Cup ... well that was no surprise!!
However, if our new recruits, and best starting 11 doesn't lift our performances (despite the idiocy of our coach), then this game is a harbinger of our season to come.
Two things summed it up for me.
1 - Galloway half heartily warming up in the 80th minute, and showing zero interest or effort as he knew that he was not coming on, even though the game called for some fresh legs
2 - in the 4th minute of stoppage time, with the wind at our backs, we had free kick just back from the 1/2 way line ... rather than getting everyone forward for one last set piece attack via a long ball, the ball is meekly passed into midfield, then return passed back to the free kick taker ... then whistle blows ... What the actual fucking fuck? We really are that dumb as a team in not being able to recognise that sometime a Plan B is needed!
Already starting to regret my membership renewal
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who got free Paramount? Even as a member, we only got a discount on it last season ...
42nd Melbourne Derby 17/12 7.45 pm
in Melbourne City
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Need to get as many people to this as possible and smash em ... would be a horror show to draw or lose