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It’s more authoritarian madness. 1. It may be counter productive. “Why are they forcing me, there must be something wrong” logic 2. it makes no sense, as the only person being vaccinated protects is you, as unlike other conditions, this one can and will be spread by the vaccinated. (the only argument would be is that the state government, having underfunded the hospitals both before and during this pandemic, need to do this as they are panicking to avoid their incompetency being exposed) For what it’s worth I think if we remove lockdowns fear of Covid will achieve just as much vaccination as coercion, without the horrific impact on our liberal traditions. Coercion is the refuge of the incompetent.

Especially when they have psychotic tendencies to over the top authoritarian “solutions” to every situation.

Ok update. Fuck it I’ve bought some clippers. Hair’s not going to make it till March.

Unpopular opinion: Chairman Dan hadn’t released health advice on restricting outdoor activities and imposing a curfew because there isn’t any.

Last year the crew running the A League did a remarkable job with a combination of good organising and good luck to run a complete season. For the life of me though I can’t see how Brisbane (Redcliffe) and Perth can participate unless they relocate ala Wellington (who right now actually have more chance of staying home than those two).

Seems a good win. (I didn’t get up to watch it). in other group news Japan conceded a late goal at home (supposedly, not sure if actually) to lose to Oman.

Socceroos playing at 4am tomorrow. On 10 apparently.

From what Maclaren said about it, I don’t think Leckie will be the only one. Asking a lot of our players.

Risky!

Do you think he knows he’s Petrillo? Is it a Jekyll and Hyde thing?

I think it’s more than that. it’s the universe. As soon as you update the squad Petrillo has an unstoppable desire to finalise a deal.

See guys I have a different view. I can’t conceive how we can allow the status quo to continue. I don’t know whether anyone realises but every year around 2000 die in Australia from car crashes. How come the premiers haven’t banned the car? BAN CARS DAN, KEEP ME SAFE (so I can die of 1 of 100 other things).

I’m confident there will be a signing within 24hours. How can I be so confident given I’m under house arrest? @jw1739has updated the squad!

I’d actually just get a back up left back who can play in the centre at a pinch and another imported box to box midfielder. im not sure we look much of a destination now (opposite of last year) with no end to lockdowns on the horizon.might mean we have to pay overs, though presumably we’ll just sign a couple of introverts.

There’s a heap of nasty little stories (with assorted variations) like that. That’s the “hidden” side of these restrictions.

It is true. Of the 5 lockdowns that have ended that’s what they did in one instance.

The State governments have a Covid Zero (which as you quite rightly point out, makes no sense) but they just haven’t come out and said it. What do I mean? Well to date every time we get cases they suppress them until confirmed zero. To me that’s Covid Zero. I’m more interested in actions than words. (This has of course been supported by the closed borders policy of the Feds.) As to the Feds yes, they haven’t covered themselves in glory either and have been largely “deers in the highlight” in response to the behaviour of the states. Too scared to govern it seems because their majority is so slim. Fair hit on them about quarantine facilities. I’m not sure why they are now building them, they needed them last year, but surely not now. Isn’t the plan to open up? (This is a large reason why I don’t believe they will actually open up, their behaviour doesn’t match the rhetoric) I think their critics about vaccine procurement are a little harsh. Granted they haven’t been stellar but they’ve had issues. They backed 4 horses, which seemed wise. 1. UQ was a high risk choice (HIV involved) and effectively fell over. 2. Astra came through but because we had no cases was considered too high risk for some (clearly it’s a lot safer than Covid and a lot of other things) and got effectively sidelined. Only a few crusty old football forum types ended up having it, it seems. 3. Novavax took much longer to get through development etc and thus won’t arrive to 2022. 4. Pfizer. All good but in high demand and short supply. As an aside perhaps it’s just wishful thinking but I suspect of the unvaccinated most are just hesitant, not anti vaxxers. Fundamentally they see the other vaccinations they’ve had in their lives and think, “those things were tested for decades”. “This has been around 5 minutes”. “With no Covid cases, I’ll just put it off a while”, “or wait for Pfizer”. As Covid spreads in their communities these people’s attitudes will change. So the current outbreak will have a silver lining in that regard.

I communicate with a number of people in South Africa. Plenty of Covid. People get it, generally are crook for about a month then get better. Ok no one wants to be ill for a month, or worse rock up in hospital, but it’s not Ebola. So tone the fear down, get a jab and get on with life. Once we have decent vax rates mortality rates should be around flu levels. This shit ain’t going away and locking people up isn’t going to solve anything (which is why we are at lockdown #6 FFS). And making kids pay just because you’re scared is not a solution either. and please don’t tell me ICU won’t cope. Surely our government has built up the capacity in the last 18 months? Otherwise WTF have they been doing? Blaming each other to cover up their own failures perhaps?

He was also well remembered in the NT for his “the best way to see Darwin is at 30000 ft on the way to Paris”.

Worthy question. I’m sure they’d have some ideas and perhaps some might be even be ok. Ultimately I’d like to see an abandonment of Covid Zero and instead actions for suppression, now acknowledging we’ll be opening up in say mid December when we’ve hit decent vax rates and thus there is no point chasing an elusive Covid Zero. id like to see kids in school and yes in play grounds for starters. Stop limiting exercise. Focus on where all the spreading actually occurs. Protect the vulnerable.

@jw1739Burnley “tunnellers” fielding No’s 1-11 at Anfield tonight. Warms the heart. Still can’t cope with this random number football and players with #66 and #88 just does my head in.

Not sure that’s true of the Highlands. Very much a patriarchal oligarchy with community consensus within the group (and violence against outsiders). I suspect many Hunter gatherer type groups had similar societies. Aboriginal groups were similar but my knowledge suggests consensus was less important than the patriarchs and no where near as violent. Not really libertarian, cross the patriarchs at your peril. The United States has had a lot of respect for liberty, particularly in their glory years. Perhaps less so now, when , from here at least, they appear to be in decline. They are probably the best example of a society focusing on small government. They’ve only had Payee tax for a century for instance.

Oh I’m all for vaccines. im not keen on banning kids from school or playgrounds for instance. im not keen on curfews. im not keen on random rules because it makes life easier for a dictator. im not keen on one rule for the masses and another for the elite.

Ok. Not quite as bad then. Still heavy handed I’m thinking. (What’s wrong with let them protest, let them go home?) I mean a few years ago that’s even what happened with the misguided souls disrupting Friday peak hour to protest about the West Australian state government’s alleged actions (one of the most bizarre protests in Melbourne ever, surely)

Anyone else had enough of this authoritarian bullshit? Rubber fucking bullets were the last straw for me. I’m joining a Libertarian political party (never thought I’d join a party, guess you never know) and am going to stand up for our way of life (that we once had)