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Coronavirus Fatality Rate Reported by the Media Is COMPLETELY INACCURATE. The Actual Rate Is LESS THAN THE FLU – MEDIA LYING AGAIN!
by Joe Hoft March 16, 2020
The current estimate for the fatality rates on the coronavirus just don’t add up. The estimates based on current data are completely inaccurate. Current data shows that this virus is much less deadly that even the common flu from the 2019-2020 season.
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Summary of points below:
- Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus
- Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are off, way off
- The current global coronavirus fatality rate is estimated at 3.4%
- The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%)
- Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu
- Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’
- Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly (average age of death in 80) and the sick
1. Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus.
Often times estimates have to be made because data is just not yet available. These estimates usually involve obtaining information that is available and making estimates on what is not. We cannot tell the future but we can make educated guesses based on information available. This is what has been done with the coronavirus because this type of virus has apparently never been seen before.
2. Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are wrong, way off.
I personally know of estimates made by actuaries (i.e. statisticians) who projected profits in a country that were way wrong. In this case the government changed the regulations related to the business in the country which resulted in tens of millions in losses in USD. I know of another case where actuaries predicted a deal to be profitable that eventually led to over $100 million in losses.
The point is that whenever estimates are made they are always wrong because no one can tell the future. Sometimes estimates end up close and sometimes they are not and sometimes they are way off.
3. The current estimate for the coronavirus fatality rate is about 3.4%.
The estimates for the fatality rate for the coronavirus are shocking. The CDC released one report in February stating the rate varies between 12% and 1%:
Our estimates of the risk for death in Wuhan reached values as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and ≈1% in other, more mildly affected areas.
A report by the World Health Organization (WHO) and China estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.8% based on actual results:
As of 20 February, 2114 of the 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases have died (crude fatality ratio [CFR2] 3.8%) (note: at least some of whom were identified using a case definition that included pulmonary disease). The overall CFR varies by location and intensity of transmission (i.e. 5.8% in Wuhan vs. 0.7% in other areas in China).
Other reports are that the WHO estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.4%:
The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated the mortality rate from Covid-19 is about 3.4%. That is higher than seasonal flu and is cause for concern – but even if it is correct, more than 96% of people who become infected with the coronavirus will recover.
As of today, the actual fatality rate for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus is 3.84%. This is the number of fatalities from the virus divided by the number of individuals who were confirmed with the virus.
4. The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%).
As The Gateway Pundit reported earlier, according to CDC numbers, in the US in the 2019-2020 flu season, there were 222,000 confirmed cases of the flu from testing and an estimated 36 million flu cases in the United States. There were 22,000 confirmed deaths from the flu.
Note that the number of deaths and confirmed cases (through testing) of the flu in the US are based on actual data. The number of individuals who contracted the flu is an estimate by experts. There is no way to know who had the flu in the US because many cases are not severe and people do not have a test done to confirm they had the flu. They believe their symptoms are minor and go on with their normal lives thinking they have a cold or something similar. Because of this, the CDC must estimate and they estimated 36 million people had the flu in this past flu season.
The rate of the number of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who had the flu is therefore .1% (22,000 / 36 million). This is an estimate.
However, the rate of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who were confirmed to have had the flu is around 10% (22,000/ 222,000). This is based on actual data similar to the rate for the coronavirus above.
5. Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu.
Based on the above numbers, the actual fatality rates for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus are around 3.4%.
The actual rates for those who were confirmed to have had the flu are around 10%.The actual data shows that the fatality rate for those who had the flu (10%) is 6% higher than for those with the coronavirus (3.8%).
6. Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’.
The fatality rate that is commonly referred to in the media for the coronavirus is 3.4% from the WHO. This number is based on actual cases of those who are confirmed with the virus.
The flu fatality rate provided by the CDC includes an estimate of individuals who had the flu but were not confirmed while the fatality rate for the coronavirus does not include those who had the coronavirus but were not confirmed. This is why the flu fatality rate is .1% and the coronavirus fatality rate is 3.4%!
The two rates are like comparing apples to oranges. By doing so the coronavirus fatality rate is way overstated when compared to the flu and the media has created a worldwide crisis and panic by reporting this!
The coronavirus is not more fatal than the flu based on current data. It is much less fatal than the flu based on current data.
7. Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly and sick (similar to the flu).
Similar to the flu, those most at risk of dying from the coronavirus are the elderly and the sick. The average age for those who died from the coronavirus in Italy is 81 years old. This is consistent around the world. There have been no known fatalities for any children 10 and under.
The sick are also at a higher risk similar to the flu. Current data shows that if you have no pre-existing conditions, your fatality rate if you contract the coronavirus is .9% (and what proportion of these cases are the elderly).
In summary, the coronavirus is not as deadly as is being portrayed in the lying liberal media. In fact it is not as deadly as the flu. The elderly and the sick should be protected. Everyone else has very little to worry about. Again, don’t believe what the media is telling you. They are lying again.
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3 hours ago, jw1739 said:
Personally I'm finding there to be so much information, or perhaps that should be commentary, that I'm finding it hard to know what to believe, especially where the messages appear to be conflicting.
By design, confusion causes fear and is the purpose of propaganda.
What's interesting is that if we exclude China, (statistical) deaths attributed to this repackaged flu strain are people that are pretty much on their death bed due to age or severe illnesses which pretty much what the common flu/pneumonia does anyway.
Also there is fake news going around that the mortality rate is 7% and is so much worse than the common flu, well it is not.
The facts are that those dying after being hospitalized due to the virus is at 7-10% which is the same as the common flu.
I am just waiting for a climate change link to be vomited out by the media just to trigger the attention seeking Marxist commies again because they must be feeling pretty left out atm, poor things.
Anyway on a positive tone, this is my favourite corona virus song, enjoy.
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5 hours ago, Jovan said:
Mate you posted it was a con and the Corona virus was a fake flu.
CBF going into how wrong you are.
My point is the corona virus strain has been around since before the 60s, it is part of the various flu strains people get all over the world every day. The new strain is just that and as with all other Influenza A strains will just be part of the normal influenza occurrences and deaths from a statistical view point that is, like it has always been.
So yes the whole world ending narrative is a con designed to drive people crazy through constant unrelenting hyperbolic propaganda and there is just no need.
My suspicions are that there are much bigger things at play here and we need to be vigilant and observe the political, media, and global environments with a level head and a critical eye.
And no, there is no conspiracy theory at play here because all the information is public.
Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, what they and their companies are involved with.
Just consider this basic brief outline.
Bill Gates Ted talk 2010ish about using the CO2 propaganda to justify vaccinations for population control and sterilization (his words not mine), which is basically admitting his intention of mass murder.
Pirbright institute, no surprise that Bill Gates is a Pirbright Institute financial backer, that holds the current Corona Virus patent. The patent page for coronavirus explains that it “may be used as a vaccine for treating and/or preventing a disease, such as infectious bronchitis, in a subject,” suggesting that this is just another weaponized viral strain designed to sell more useless, deadly vaccines, while at the same time killing off a few thousand, or perhaps a few million, people.
And with 'Event 201 A global pandemic exercise', that's it's title, funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and being used as a full rehearsal of what is happening now 2 months before Wuhan.
And remember this is 2 months before Wuhan. Pre-staged and preplanned.
Then ID2020 where Microsoft and Gavi the vaccine alliance are basical funding the thing and have, (on the public record) already nano chipped people in Bangladesh and the homeless in Texas via vaccines.
Now Gates has resigned from Microsoft as of 2 days ago.
Coincidence?
Does it sit right with you?
And that's just scratching the surface.
Again this is not a baseless conspiracy idea or theory as it is all on public record and is free for anyone to read.
If you disagree that's fine, I just post this stuff up for people's consideration.
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1 hour ago, Jovan said:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Increasing exponentially by the hour, and these are confirmed infections,recoveries and unfortunately deaths.
This is now at dead set fucking serious level, and our behavior in these times will determine on how we overcome this, and posting shit isn't in anyway helpful.
Thankfully the seven of us on here don't take the original poster seriously.
Read that, thanks.
Interesting to note and I quote from the report:
The novel coronavirus' case fatality rate has been estimated at around 2%, in the WHO press conference held on January 29, 2020 [16] . However, it noted that, without knowing how many were infected, it was too early to be able to put a percentage on the mortality rate figure.
A prior estimate [9] had put that number at 3%.
Fatality rate can change as a virus can mutate, according to epidemiologists.
For comparison, the case fatality rate for SARS was 10%, and for MERS 34%.
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According to China's National Health Commission (NHC), about 80% of those who died were over the age of 60 and 75% of them had pre-existing health conditions such as cardiovascular diseases and diabetes.[24]
Comparisons:
Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu.
SARS (November 2002 to July 2003): was a coronavirus that originated from Beijing, China, spread to 29 countries, and resulted in 8,096 people infected with 774 deaths (fatality rate of 9.6%). Considering that SARS ended up infecting 5,237 people in mainland China, Wuhan Coronavirus surpassed SARS on January 29, 2020, when Chinese officials confirmed 5,974 cases of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). One day later, on January 30, 2020 the novel coronavirus cases surpassed even the 8,096 cases worldwide which were the final SARS count in 2003.
MERS (in 2012) killed 858 people out of the 2,494 infected (fatality rate of 34.4%).
Basically backing up what I just posted.
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For your consideration
This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each Year, According to the CDC
Are more people dying from the flu this year compared to other seasons? Here's what to know.
By Claire Gillespie
February 11, 2020
While everyone is in a panic about the coronavirus (officially renamed COVID-19 by the World Health Organization), there's an even deadlier virus many people are forgetting about: the flu.
Flu season is hitting its stride right now in the US. So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000.
The CDC also estimates that up to 31 million Americans have caught the flu this season, with 210,000 to 370,000 flu sufferers hospitalized because of the virus.
The official toll of the 2019-2020 flu season won't be known for months. The season itself could last until May, and only preliminary estimates will be available until data is finalized.
“The current flu season has been difficult but it has not reached epidemic threshold,” infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, MD, senior scholar at the John's Hopkins Center for Health Security in Baltimore, tells Health. “In the next couple of weeks, when more data is available, it will become clear just how severe the season was given that we had an initial dominance of influenza B and now dominance of influenza A H1N1.”
When a second strain begins to dominate the flu season, this can cause the season to last longer, explains Dr. Adalja.
So how do these numbers compare to flu deaths in previous years? So far, it looks like the 2019-2020 death toll won’t be as high as it was in the 2017-2018 season, when 61,000 deaths were linked to the virus. However, it could equal or surpass the 2018-2019 season's 34,200 flu-related deaths.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
The annual death rate depends on the specific strain of the virus that is dominant, how well the vaccine is working to protect against that strain, and how many people got vaccinated, says Dr. Adalja. The flu is harder to fight off for specific populations, such as infants and young children, the elderly, and people who are immunocompromised due to chronic illnesses such as HIV or cancer.
In recent weeks, however, the spotlight has been firmly on the new coronavirus, which the WHO officially named COVID-19 on February 11. The concern is justified, as more than 1,000 people in mainland China have died from the virus—a larger number than those who died from severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in the 2002-2003 SARS epidemic. To date, there are 13 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the US.
That doesn’t mean Americans don’t need to worry about the flu. In their guide to preventing coronavirus, the CDC recommends getting a flu vaccine and taking everyday preventive steps to help stop the spread of germs (such as avoiding close contact with people who are sick, covering your mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing, washing your hands often, and cleaning and disinfecting frequently touched surfaces at home, work or school—especially when someone is ill). It’s also important to take flu antivirals if they’re prescribed to you.
The fact that people are more concerned about COVID-19 than the flu virus is no surprise, says Dr. Adalja. “Anytime there is a new emerging infectious disease that is shrouded in mystery with a lot of unknowns, it captivates people in a way that a regular virus that people deal with on a yearly basis won’t,” he says.
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
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7 minutes ago, Harrison said:
It’s not a Marxist plot by the UN.
For your consideration
Event 201
October 2019
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She is lucky it is the fake corona flu rather than the real flu or she would be in some serious trouble.
A 6 day recovery from the real flu for a 103 year old is basically impossible.
It's all a con.
Wake up!
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3 minutes ago, Mr MO said:
Agree, I appreciate his bursts forward - unfortunately he seems to be only one in team able to do that. Extend his contract I would say.
Agree. TBH I would say that most of his errors came about due to Wales not having a clue where to position himself so Atkinson having to second guess his decision to pass to him.
Feel sorry for any player having use Wales as a pass recipient.
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5 minutes ago, Mr MO said:
Michael Theo
And Archie said western Sydney mariners
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Wales actually needs to leave the club.
He is no where near A-league standard.
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Come on. Let's go city.
2 minutes ago, haz said:Who is the dickhead calling Craig 'Harry'?
Harry Noone. 🤔
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Wales is fkn hopeless.
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1 hour ago, HeartFc said:
Incoming rant/tangent.
I'm a little baffled by that statement to be honest. The Government has literally done fuck all and set us up to fail once again.
Flights from Wuhan and other effected cities were pouring 40,000 Chinese into our country every week. We had a real good chance of not being effected by this at all and before someone brings up the fact that its basically done nothing to us and may not, keep in mind its an extremely contagious virus and has a morality rate 40 times higher than a bad seasonal flu. No vaccine and its yet to mutate and possible become deadlier, like the Spanish Flu did.
The excuse was the economic impact... Ye I agree and thats because society is up to their eye balls in private debt, it seems 1 month without a pay check cripples most people. Saving for a rainy day went out the window in the 90s when the banks ramped up their borrowing capacities and lowered interests rates. Supported by the Government of course who lined their pockets in the process and set up society to never be able to take a set back in terms of work/production, even if it means dying from a virus.
The whole Western World has been in a bubble for a long time now and they think they can stop it from popping with a stimulus packages or better yet just letting anyone over 50 die waiting in line for treatment. All it takes is 1 deadly global pandemic to show that a government run health system is complete and utter failure. It should only be their to support those truly in need and the rest should be 100% privatised and therefore affordable to the middle class. When push comes to shove you'll see that all the cheapskates will be willing to pay for treatment. I just paid $600 worth of fees for the wife to see 2 specialists (15min each) and got quoted $3500 for 3 hour operation. Its that expensive coz most of the medical staff who specialise in that field are working in the public system with a waiting list as long as a donkeys dong. There's no competition, meanwhile the emergency departments across this country are full of drunks, drug addicts and cheapskate hypochondriacs clogging it up and costing us millions in theft (aka taxation) every year.
Anyway, in terms of the actual virus, I called pandemic over a month ago and went as far as Spanish Flu. I feel I'm at "orange line" at the moment and the "Green line" will be awarded at some point coz Covid-19 is going to kill millions.
Sorry to say mate but this is the biggest load of crap I have read in a long time and that's a big achievement given the amount of crap that I post up.
Anyway, well done.
Stand in line a get that vaccine because that will help.
The Corona virus hyperbole is just a con, it has been around for decades and is just the latest effort by the UN to put fear into the world.
Most of the high death rates have been in China which is a communist oppressive government that has the sole objective of having total control over the population and have them worship the state.
Do you really trust their stats? seriously?
The UN controlled media is just an extension of the Marxist/communist agenda to take your liberties away by putting everyone in a state of perpetual fear.
The Corona virus is nothing more than a truncated and geneticly engineered influenza strain like N1H1, swine, bird flu etc.
Look at the mortality rates in China compare to the rest of the world from a week ago as they are worlds apart and where corona is in line with normal influenza. Today we see that deaths are increasing rapidly, why, because they have to do something to make it look scary because people are clueing on the the truth.
I have lived through all the flu crap and I am in the health sciences, look at the stats and white papers and see the crap that is being fed to the population through the media.
My advice is, don't believe anything in the MSM and don't believe me, just do your own proper research with no preconceived bias and see where the data is, where it leads you, and make you own conclusions.
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5 hours ago, Harrison said:
It’s irrelevant where he was playing because they were basic errors. And playing Chianese onside was even worse because he was at the bottom of the defensive line and so knew where he needed to be.
I agree just because I can't be bothered discussing something that may impact the high from the massive win that we had.
Ultimately with all the errors and brilliance we demonstrated during that great win All the players were involved with the win.
It was a game of 2 different halves but as a whole we were superior in attack and in defence and that's why we won 2-3.
I will leave it at that.
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47 minutes ago, Harrison said:
No doubt he’s rusty but it’s pretty basic defensive stuff and he made three errors in a single piece of play. He cleared the ball down the line when under no pressure, then he played Chianese onside and finally he just ambled back as Fornaroli cut inside him for the cross.
It’s not good enough and he needs to improve quickly because we can’t afford losses.
Was that when he was playing RB?
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We can easily move Atkinson to RW, Galloway to RB, Susaeta to Cam and Colakovski striker.
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Gave it to Florin because he singlehandedly smashed open the Perth midfield in the first 15 mins, had them reorganizing and second guessing which allowed our team to dominate.
Second half he did well and kept providing through ball opportunities even when he was on one leg.
Glover was a very very close second.
Great game by both players.
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1 hour ago, rass said:
So fuck you , you purple fucksticks
Epic
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Harper is the most bias and idiotic commentator I have listened to.
Nearly as bias and idiotic as the refs...... which is hard to believe I know.
Against all odds we managed a win against a team I am really starting to despise Perth, Castro is a knob, Kilkenny is a whinging baby and Bruno is not far behind.
Also I have no doubt that if Delbo did to their keeper what Di Augustino did to Glover he would have been sent off.
Pumped. COME ON CITY!!!
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3 minutes ago, n i k o said:
We played in heat, away to Perth, with injuries, in a 6 pointer.
Massive win. Massive.
^^^^^^ This.
I hope everyone appreciates how massive this win is because this is a win that can mold, fortify and unite the players and supporters.
Absolutely MASSIVE.
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Yessssssss.
What a win.
Come on City.
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What a half, tore them to bits. Well done boys.
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1 hour ago, rass said:
I could be wrong, but from what I noticed last week, I thought Berenguer aa
I could be wrong, but from what I noticed last week, I thought Luna and Berenguer were a little too far away from each other when attacking. They seemed a bit too close to their respective sided wingers, which for mine, left a bit of a hole there.
I think little tweaks like tightening that will help us and allow us to drop that central ball in, instead of trying to move defences from side to side.
Totally agree, we really need to look to play forward quickly to open up the central area by getting more players in that area which will open up the opposition by dragging their defenders away from their defensive lines. It will also hopefully encourage the forward central pass rather than the backward pass that we are so used to seeing and which allows the opposition time to organise themselves.
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The Coronavirus Thread (We nearly didn't see City in the 2021 Grand Final)
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So out of that whole article with all the link to verify that what they are reporting is true, this is what you come up with?