sharpy Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) What the hell happened to the machine that he was at North Queensland!? I may be exaggerating but I'd almost prefer Harry Kewell... almost! Edited January 15, 2016 by Murfy1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 JvS tends to use him as an inverted winger. At the moment, he is using Dugandzic on one wing in this role, but using Worm as a wider winger on the other wing. We also have Babalj occupying the central striking role, which would also suit Williams, but Eli is in a bit of form at the moment. Having a wealth of tactical options in the squad doesn't mean we should give him the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 As if this gets made before Sack Worm or Sack Maycon, or even Sack Hoffman. I agree, Sack Williams, but first Sack Worm and Maycon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 He has the first touch of a rapist at the moment, Worm is shitting all over him. Although agree on sacking Maycon first, Hoff is on about par. Although Hoff has scored in open play to his credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuggetsMcGreggor Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 why would you sack worm? he's been pretty bloody good. watch derby II replay. he makes the 2nd goal. he and thompson have a pretty good understanding on the pitch and you can't buy that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 hoffman clone in > everyone else out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 why would you sack worm? he's been pretty bloody good. watch derby II replay. he makes the 2nd goal. he and thompson have a pretty good understanding on the pitch and you can't buy that Agree, Worm is playing fantastic this year, way better than i though he could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingawesomeness Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 At NQF he was given a free reign to attack in any way that he wanted, whereas here he is being told that he has a number of defensive responsibilities as well. It's not that he's shit or needs to be sacked, he just needs a season to get used to our style of play and better learn how to defend as a wing-unit in a 4-3-3 system. Probably won't become a regular this season beyond time off the bench, however will improve for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood18 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Sack Williams, he eats more pies and drinks more beers in the stands than everyone as I sit in front of the players. Lazy, uncommitted and weak would be the best words to describe his season, never looks like getting into the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Roganovic would offer more on the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomby Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 imo Worm has done his job this season so far, wouldn't of expected him to be playing like he is, on the other hand first to go Maycon then Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Just to throw everyone back to mid last year, before the season: when we signed him, everyone including him though that he was going to waltz in, destroy the league under our system, and be off to Europe before his 25th birthday. I take Williams inability to rediscover his NQF form as a testament to our squad depth and playing style. If you can't match the style, you're not going to make it. David really has struggled playing with limitations and less game time. But he is a very, very capable player and I'm sure he'll come good with time, much like a few other members of our first XI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Agreed. he is woeful some people need to take their blinkers off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Street Elite Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Deleted my post? lololololol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nietzsche Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Williams is the type of player we need to keep. Not to sound prejudice, but we need Australian players about his age as squad members to keep depth in our ranks. He can play well, as he did with NQF and glimpses with Sydney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Keep him. A lot of raw talent there and as Nietzsche said he provides good depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse_roar Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 He is a bit shite. Still better than most of the youngsters at other clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ticker Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 He hasn't set the world on fire but there's nothing wrong with Williams. It's nice to see some positive posts from kingawesomeness and Nietzsche, when Willo is given full games we'll be able to judge him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 We can't just 'sack' David. He's on a 3-year contract. If he wants to, he can just sit here and take his wages for the next couple of seasons and there's not a thing we can do about it. I could never understand why we signed him in the first place, and I'm not surprised that things have turned out the way they have. Although we'll never know, I'd be interested to find out who was the instigator behind his signing. It was painfully obvious that we were short on defenders, and either at the time or shortly before, JvS was scouting around in Europe for one or more defensive players, then all of a sudden we sign David Williams. He'd done absolutely nothing for Sydney, and they let him go, yet we signed him. He doesn't have the speed, ball skills, aerial ability etc. to add anything to the squad that wasn't already there. He just doesn't fit the style of play that JvS wants. As somone remarked on RWU, when he comes on as a sub it's as if we have suddenly gone down to 10 men. If you go though the squad, David is one of a number of players who simply are not pushing for a first-team berth on their merits, and that's just not good enough. No club can afford to carry passengers on their list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveart Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 A classic example of Williams this season: Against Gold Coast when they score the equalizer it's Babalj desperate to stop the cross in while Wlliams is just standing in the background- pretty weak for a player who just came on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Williams shouldn't be making the extended squad, but this week he's been named over Zahra and Ibrahim. I don't how sharp Ibrahim and Zahra are but if they are up for selection and not injured one of them should get picked over Williams. Like with Babalj and Maycon earlier in the season, even if Zahra or Ibrahim isn't 100% they should still be much better than Williams is currently. I think Williams could come good but I don't see that happening this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 zahra is still not 100% he said he still has to work his way upto a full 90 mins with the youth before even considering the seniors and that he doesn't want to rush back and potentially be out longer, whats a few extra weeks to make sure you are 100% right compared to months out cos of an aggravated injury as for kamal i got no idea where he is in terms of fitness, but he has been training with the youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontra.11 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I think he would make a difference if played centrally. I still think he is a good player and can contribute.. And it is kind of crap that one of the first topics on a new forum is to sack one of our own players.. Just support the boys.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butty Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I think he would make a difference if played centrally. I still think he is a good player and can contribute.. And it is kind of crap that one of the first topics on a new forum is to sack one of our own players.. Just support the boys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingawesomeness Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I think Kamal doesn't seem to be applying himself enough to get into the senior squad, almost appears content to play in the NYL. He probably has his best chance to get a game in the next week with squad rotation, but even then I think he'll struggle to make the bench in any of the games. The people who are saying that we should sack Williams or play injured players in his stead are probably the same ones who initially lambasted Madaschi for his first game or two, then sung his praises shortly after. We signed him on a three year deal for a reason. Just remember that he's 23, he's not a current Socceroo and he's not the son of God. Give him time to adapt to the system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ticker Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Great levelheaded post kingawesomeness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Quite a bit of jest in my use of the word 'sack'. Just wanting to bring up debate/conversation on his form as I have been extremely disappointed with it. I actually prefer Maycon to him to be honest, yeah I went there! Maybe we can swap there passports? Surely the club has contacts that could do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) I think Kamal doesn't seem to be applying himself enough to get into the senior squad, almost appears content to play in the NYL. He probably has his best chance to get a game in the next week with squad rotation, but even then I think he'll struggle to make the bench in any of the games. The people who are saying that we should sack Williams or play injured players in his stead are probably the same ones who initially lambasted Madaschi for his first game or two, then sung his praises shortly after. We signed him on a three year deal for a reason. Just remember that he's 23, he's not a current Socceroo and he's not the son of God. Give him time to adapt to the system. It is interesting you mention Madaschi as the sides form with him in side is the exact reason we have should not of signed Williams. We just went through the longest Off Season ever and JVS failed to sign a more experienced Defender, despite declaring he intended to do so. I am not disputing he did well signing Good and Hamill but a quick look at the Win/Loss stats shows that when the two very unexperienced Colts play together in Central Defence we are far more prone to concede stupid goals and lose/draw games. This is opposed to when Madaschi was in the side which coincided with the club greatest period of form in its short history. I am not suggesting we could have signed Madaschi on a season long deal but we could at least signed another experienced Central Defender. Instead the only one we have is Colosimo who is mistake and injury prone and clearly on the way out next season. Instead we sign a guy who is a now a Fourth Choice Winger on a three year deal. Not only this we also already have another decent young Winger recovering from a long term injury in the NYL side, alongside another even younger winger in Kamal. Our senior squad currently has 6 players (4 Fit) for its 2 wings, and one of those positions will obv always be filled by the Number 23. So really we have 5 players (4 Fit) for 1 position on the field. This is opposed to how we have 3 players (2 Fit) for the 2 central defensive spots. Therefore I think it’s fair enough that people feel aggrieved that one our better paid players on a three year deal cannot found enough form to warrant a place in the team. Edited January 16, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingawesomeness Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 It is interesting you mention Madaschi as the sides form with him in side is the exact reason we have should not of signed Williams. We just went through the longest Off Season ever and JVS failed to sign a more experienced Defender, despite declaring he intended to do so. I am not disputing he did well signing Good and Hamill but a quick look at the Win/Loss stats shows that when the two very unexperienced Colts play together in Central Defence we are far more prone to concede stupid goals and lose/draw games. This is opposed to when Madaschi was in the side which coincided with the club greatest period of form in its short history. I am not suggesting we could have signed Madaschi on a season long deal but we could at least signed another experienced Central Defender. Instead the only one we have is Colosimo who is mistake and injury prone and clearly on the way out next season. Instead we sign a guy who is a now a Fourth Choice Winger on a three year deal. Not only this we also already have another decent young Winger recovering from a long term injury in the NYL side, alongside another even younger winger in Kamal. Our senior squad currently has 6 players (4 Fit) for its 2 wings, and one of those positions will obv always be filled by the Number 23. So really we have 5 players (4 Fit) for 1 position on the field. This is opposed to how we have 3 players (2 Fit) for the 2 central defensive spots. Therefore I think it’s fair enough that people feel aggrieved that one our better paid players on a three year deal cannot found enough form to warrant a place in the team. I would agree with you if the timing of what you're talking about wasn't so far off. Williams was our fourth signing of the off-season (22 June 2011) and was followed only by Maycon, Germano and Roganovic. Yes, in hindsight, you could say that we needed another defensive signing, but that's what Germano was initially signed as. At the start of our season, our defenders were: Colosimo, Thompson, Good, Hamill, Marrone, Behich, Germano and Taseski Since then we've had Thompson and Germano move to midfield, Taseski and Colosimo get injured and, as mentioned, Madaschi come and go. When Williams was signed, our attacking players looked pretty slim: Babalj, Terra, Worm, Ibrahim, Dugandzic, Hoffman and Zahra (+). With his history at NQF, he was in a position to be starting every match, playing well and scoring goals. It's impossible to say that the club should've had the foresight to sign Madaschi, even more so by saying we should've done it in Williams' place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butty Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I understand both viewpoints, but if someone had told me, during the period we were after Williams, that we could have signed him but didn't, I would have been very disappointed. He was class at NQF and his signing made sense. Hindsight is a useful tool. Centre Back is our priority now, definitely. The one most worrying position for us atm, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 A centre half should of been our priority last season for this season we are in Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 That makes no sense Scouse, we only had three senior wingers, one very young winger and one injured winger at the start of the year for all of our many wings. In central defence we had two kids that had never played before, and two guys that are always injured and a Box to Box midfieler,and a Defensive midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 How can that not make sense we needed a centre half last season for the current campaign we are in Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I'm under the impression Heart only has so much to spend on signings, which is why all of our signings have been smart buys. For instance, getting Williams, a player from a club going defunct, signing the cheap and quality AIS defender Good, bringing Fred back to Melbourne and discovering the real find Germano. We did think we might need to sign a new striker early in this season, so its definitely only with hindsight that Williams is appearing to be superfluous. I do think another central defender would be a useful signing, but if Colosimo comes back soon then it shouldn't be an issue. And according to Scott Munn he should be back soon: "And I think Simon [Colosimo] will have a test and if he's not available on Wednesday, he'd be available for Saturday. That's our first goal," http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/228859,hearts-transplant-woes-for-injured-fred.aspx . We'll come good without a signing I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny_MHFC Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 we need as many players as we can, maycon is absolutely useless...williams has shown a glimmer of his skill during the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Scouse I was agree with u... JVS cant get over the fact he was winger himself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart Fanatic Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Sack Him! Why did we give him a 3 year deal! FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nietzsche Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 1. He is a 23 yr old Australian who was very good the preceding season and was on a cheap from a defunct team. 2. He can play a role in the team, and adds depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 There's two different issues here. The first is the signings during the off-season. Of the defenders in the original squad from last season, Heffernan and Beauchamp sought and were granted release. The addition to the list was Curtis Good. IMO it's too long a bow to draw to classify Jonotan Germano as a defender - he might be a defensive mid, but he shows a liking for attacking mid, and IMO he must be deemed a midfielder. We know that JvS was trying to sign a defender, and we know that terms were offered to Levchenko and unltimately declined. So we went into the season short of one defender, and that was borne out by the signing of Adrian Madaschi, a defender, as an injury replacement. QED. The second issue is the form of David Williams. The title of the thread is a little unkind - perhaps it ought to be 'Whatever happened to David Williams?' With David's history, and form for NQF, and his self-professed intention to use Heart as a means to re-ignite his career in Europe, I think fans would have expected David to be a regular match squad member. That hasn't happened, and it's fair enough people are asking why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 There's two different issues here. The first is the signings during the off-season. Of the defenders in the original squad from last season, Heffernan and Beauchamp sought and were granted release. The addition to the list was Curtis Good. IMO it's too long a bow to draw to classify Jonotan Germano as a defender - he might be a defensive mid, but he shows a liking for attacking mid, and IMO he must be deemed a midfielder. We know that JvS was trying to sign a defender, and we know that terms were offered to Levchenko and unltimately declined. So we went into the season short of one defender, and that was borne out by the signing of Adrian Madaschi, a defender, as an injury replacement. QED. The second issue is the form of David Williams. The title of the thread is a little unkind - perhaps it ought to be 'Whatever happened to David Williams?' With David's history, and form for NQF, and his self-professed intention to use Heart as a means to re-ignite his career in Europe, I think fans would have expected David to be a regular match squad member. That hasn't happened, and it's fair enough people are asking why. It was meant as a smartarse title, he has disappointed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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