bt50 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said: It seems to me like they aren't the biggest fans of untested overseas players, it seems like the only players they are linked with are guys like Carrusca, Martinez, Vidosic, who are all good but not great players that know the league. Unlikely we'll see them buying unheard of guys that no one knows, who could bomb but could be great. Playing it very safe. Well tbh they would nearly have to go for unknowns or previous A League players given they'll be under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 1 minute ago, bt50 said: Well tbh they would nearly have to go for unknowns or previous A League players given they'll be under the cap. That's true, but the point I was trying to make was that it's unlikely they'll go for unknowns, they seem to prefer ex players more than anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Just now, Hellenic Hero said: That's true, but the point I was trying to make was that it's unlikely they'll go for unknowns, they seem to prefer ex players more than anything else Alls the better imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 Milligan confirmed. I think it is a fair assumption that the top two from last season will be as strong this year. I'll be interested to see how they go in the Champions League this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Going on from an early discussion on the main board, found an interesting post from the WSW forum re Victory and their cap... Being in the ACL they've probably got a big outside the cap bump for 6 match payments. Also, lol @ Troisi the flog, could have been playing in the Premier League. Victory Cap status would look something like this: Two marquees (Berisha & Milligan) Cap for 17/18 is at least $2.85 million, it might even be a little bit more than this. Marquees: 1. Berisha 2. Milligan Homeground Players - $150k outside the cap for players U23 from Youth team. One on 41k minimum, 2 on 55k minimum for 20+ and you have no cap exposure. 3. Christian Theoharous 4. Thomas Deng 5. Stefan ***** Loyalty Players - $200k outside the cap as a percentage from 25% to 50% for 5-10+ years at club 6. Broxham - 12 Seasons - 50% outside the cap. He could be on $350k with only 175k counted in cap. 7. Jason Geria - 6th season - 25% outside the cap. I'd think he'd be on around 175k. 25k outside cap, 150k inside. If Broxham is on less than 350k, you could bump up the amount Geria has outside the cap, to add it to the rest of the money below. Mature age Rookie - Not included in the cap or the player roster. Could be used to reduce cap exposure by signing one of these in place of a 21/22/23rd squad player, or adding a 24th squad member for more squad depth. 8. It wouldn't be hard to find someone. I might pick up a 3rd keeper for this spot especially if my youth keepers were still too young to risk playing them in the A-League. So far your squad is made up of: 2 Marquees - Outside cap 2 Loyalty Players - $325k in the cap. 1 Homegrown U20 Player - Outside cap 2 Homegrown U23 Players - Outside cap 1 Mature Age Rookie - Outside Cap - Used as "26th" squad member. 8 Players That leaves you with 2.52 million. Add 2 u20 players - $83,066 - 3 U20 spots filled - 2.43m left - 10 players total Add 8 first team minimum wage players - $445,720 - 1.98m left - 18 players total (16 out of 23 first team) You need to fill 7 spots with 1.98 million. Your first 11 already has 2 marquees and 2 loyalty players, which means 7 players left, with an average of about 280k which is very doable. If you have trouble, just sign 1 less minimum wage player and you can give another 55k to a good player. If you take this 1.98 million for 7, and reduce it to 6 players minus Troisi's 570k, you can still spread 1.39 million for the other 6, which is a 230k average. And finally, these figures only apply to the A-League (and maybe FFA Cup, although FFA might allow teams to include some bonuses specifically for this competition, I'm not sure). It doesn't apply to the ACL, as far as I know players will receive additional match payments for playing in the ACL, and clubs may possibly add in some more bonuses to attract new players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 aaaaand thats why we should just get rid of the cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 It's clear the cap needs more exemptions for youth players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Something like this: Thomas Geria - Williams - Deng - Broxham Valeri - Milligan - Sanchez Barbarouses - Berisha - Troisi That is a very strong team, but their bench looks a little suspect (Acton, Donachie, Ingham, Austin, Nigro.) If they added another one or two solid replacements then I'd be worried, but with ACL commitments and the FFA Cup they might be susceptible to injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Harrison said: Something like this: Thomas Geria - Williams - Deng - Broxham Valeri - Milligan - Sanchez Barbarouses - Berisha - Troisi That is a very strong team, but their bench looks a little suspect (Acton, Donachie, Ingham, Austin, Nigro.) If they added another one or two solid replacements then I'd be worried, but with ACL commitments and the FFA Cup they might be susceptible to injuries. With two VISAs to go, they will only get stronger. I think we are quite far behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, haz said: With two VISAs to go, they will only get stronger. I think we are quite far behind. I dont think their two visa will be much chop at all tbh. They've got sweet FA left to spend imo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, bt50 said: I dont think their two visa will be much chop at all tbh. They've got sweet FA left to spend imo... You did the math a couple of posts ago. If they cheap out on 4 of those remaining 6 spots, they could probably spend $300k - $400k on each. Most of the time I would say a VISA player is 70% more likely to be better then an Australian in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, haz said: You did the math a couple of posts ago. If they cheap out on 4 of those remaining 6 spots, they could probably spend $300k - $400k on each. Most of the time I would say a VISA player is 70% more likely to be better then an Australian in that position. That post just assumes an average though, not what's already signed up and allocated ie it shows how a team could be built. So Kosta, Williams, Donachie, Valeri and Sanchez already occupy 5 of those spots and only x amount of the base wage players have been filled. I doubt any of them are under 200k, so that could be at least 1mil of the 1.39 mil gone. Sure they can save on offering less of the base wage players, but that money wont go overly far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) A best starting XI --------------Galekovic-------------------------------- Geria/Muscat--Williams--Jakobsen----Jamieson ----------Kilkenny----Milligan--------Sanchez/?-------- Barba------------Berisha/Bruno-------------Troisi Galekovic is better then Thomas but of course thats if he actully plays Cant compare Bart because I dont know how good he is Cant compare with Sanchez because I dont know how good he is and which player we have there Considering Brandan is injured, Troisi is better then Kamau and Arzani Currently Barbajhghf is better then Fitzy (although I can see Fitzy becoming better this season) As @Harrison said though, their bench is weak, but with 2 more VISAs it will push some better players to the bench. Edited August 17, 2017 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Fitzy is in better form than Barbra atm imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Dylan said: Fitzy is in better form than Barbra atm imo I think they are pretty much even, it will also depend if Fitzy actually gets played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 16/08/2017 at 6:12 PM, bt50 said: Going on from an early discussion on the main board, found an interesting post from the WSW forum re Victory and their cap... Being in the ACL they've probably got a big outside the cap bump for 6 match payments. Also, lol @ Troisi the flog, could have been playing in the Premier League. Victory Cap status would look something like this: Two marquees (Berisha & Milligan) Cap for 17/18 is at least $2.85 million, it might even be a little bit more than this. Marquees: 1. Berisha 2. Milligan Homeground Players - $150k outside the cap for players U23 from Youth team. One on 41k minimum, 2 on 55k minimum for 20+ and you have no cap exposure. 3. Christian Theoharous 4. Thomas Deng 5. Stefan ***** Loyalty Players - $200k outside the cap as a percentage from 25% to 50% for 5-10+ years at club 6. Broxham - 12 Seasons - 50% outside the cap. He could be on $350k with only 175k counted in cap. 7. Jason Geria - 6th season - 25% outside the cap. I'd think he'd be on around 175k. 25k outside cap, 150k inside. If Broxham is on less than 350k, you could bump up the amount Geria has outside the cap, to add it to the rest of the money below. Mature age Rookie - Not included in the cap or the player roster. Could be used to reduce cap exposure by signing one of these in place of a 21/22/23rd squad player, or adding a 24th squad member for more squad depth. 8. It wouldn't be hard to find someone. I might pick up a 3rd keeper for this spot especially if my youth keepers were still too young to risk playing them in the A-League. So far your squad is made up of: 2 Marquees - Outside cap 2 Loyalty Players - $325k in the cap. 1 Homegrown U20 Player - Outside cap 2 Homegrown U23 Players - Outside cap 1 Mature Age Rookie - Outside Cap - Used as "26th" squad member. 8 Players That leaves you with 2.52 million. Add 2 u20 players - $83,066 - 3 U20 spots filled - 2.43m left - 10 players total Add 8 first team minimum wage players - $445,720 - 1.98m left - 18 players total (16 out of 23 first team) You need to fill 7 spots with 1.98 million. Your first 11 already has 2 marquees and 2 loyalty players, which means 7 players left, with an average of about 280k which is very doable. If you have trouble, just sign 1 less minimum wage player and you can give another 55k to a good player. If you take this 1.98 million for 7, and reduce it to 6 players minus Troisi's 570k, you can still spread 1.39 million for the other 6, which is a 230k average. And finally, these figures only apply to the A-League (and maybe FFA Cup, although FFA might allow teams to include some bonuses specifically for this competition, I'm not sure). It doesn't apply to the ACL, as far as I know players will receive additional match payments for playing in the ACL, and clubs may possibly add in some more bonuses to attract new players. I don't think that is how the cap works.... My understanding is the players registered with the team to play in the A-League and FFA Cup have their wages (and non exemp benefits) count towards the cap regardless of what the remuneration is for. Also I believe the cap is only breached when the payments exceed the cap and not if the club is obligated by contracts to pay more than the cap at the start of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/gallery/melbourne-victory-release-new-201718-kits-471744 That new away kit is actually nice as 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/gallery/melbourne-victory-release-new-201718-kits-471744 That new away kit is actually nice as Are you kidding, its horrible. Cheesy AF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, thisphantomfortress said: Are you kidding, its horrible. Cheesy AF Wtf are you on about!? It's probably the best kit in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever City Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Away Kit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said: Wtf are you on about!? It's probably the best kit in the league Not a fucking chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Tbf i think its probably one of the best efforts theyve put together, both home and away. Doesnt make it anywhere near the best kit in the league tho, especially the home one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 It's ugly as fuck. Even if you're a tard supporter you couldn't possibly love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 48 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Are you kidding, its horrible. Cheesy AF I think it's pretty good tbh. Although I've only just noticed the stars in the blue patch, which look shit. Would be better as solid blue. 46 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said: Wtf are you on about!? It's probably the best kit in the league Definitely wouldn't go that far. I'd say our home kit has that position easily covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: I think it's pretty good tbh. Although I've only just noticed the stars in the blue patch, which look shit. Would be better as solid blue. Definitely wouldn't go that far. I'd say our home kit has that position easily covered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 For the biggest club they have a lot of shit sponsors 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dconder13 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Honestly think they're both terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, hedaik said: For the biggest club they have a lot of shit sponsors Optishit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Hellenic Hero said: Wtf are you on about!? It's probably the best kit in the league Come back go me in three years and we will see how those stars have dated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Optishit. Are they still sponsored by KFC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Come back go me in three years and we will see how those stars have dated. are they stars or is it supposed to reflect the stadium? The are so fucking insecure about being tenants its not funny Edited August 25, 2017 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 20 hours ago, haz said: Are they still sponsored by KFC? In memory of Carlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Rumours are 'Clints Crazy Bargains' and 'Susans' are in a bitter bidding war to be the next major sponsor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 So how good a sponsor is is based on how big a name they are and not how much money theyre providing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever City Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Does anyone like that guy? Even the tards can't stand him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHERLOCK Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 4 hours ago, n i k o said: Does anyone like that guy? Even the tards can't stand him Doesn't pay his staff Assaults teenagers Number ticket holder for the tards And is short and bald. Is it any wonder no one likes him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 hours ago, SHERLOCK said: Doesn't pay his staff Assaults teenagers Number ticket holder for the tards And is short and bald. Is it any wonder no one likes him. manlets gonna manlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 They've signed Leroy George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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