Footballism Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Allocations are extremely shit IMO, I don't understand how SA get just 1. When I read 'NSW = 8', I thought that would be including their Northern league too, but to have almost half the teams in the whole comp from NSW (4 HAL,10 state) is a bit BS.I think a fairer allocation would have been something like NSW/NNSW 8(6+2), Vic 5, Qld 4, WA 2, SA 2, Tas 1, ACT 1.Also, I know they aren't much, but I would have liked to see an NT side included, they have a couple decent sides up there. I know it wouldn't take a lot more, but pretty sure they don't have numbers like 6 and 5 because it would require extra games, where as with 8 and 4 they can just take the last 8 and 4 of the respective cup competitions. I was thinking that but reckon that's bullshit. It's not like the qualifying will start with 64, 128, 256 teams etc. It's going to have to be "rigged" with byes early (not that there is anything wrong with this) to get down to a final 8/4/2/1. Why not rig it to go down to 40/20/10/5 etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Very excited by this. NT will presumably have a pathway either via Qld or SA but really a "direct would make more sense. The interesting thing will be how do you get those state slots. I would give the first 1 to the "cup winner" within the state, then the rest to order of finishing in the league i guess. Maybe NSW spread it around more for regional cups or something. How it should work is every FFA affiliated club has a potential pathway. That is if you win enough promotions etc you can qualify. Now that they are drawing this artificial community club/ professional club line they might stop that, but allowing the little clubs a shot at the title is what give cups their sense of magic. Would like to see the little clubs in at a round of 64, with the top clubs (A league, handful of state level teams) given a bye to the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballism Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 The interesting thing will be how do you get those state slots. I would give the first 1 to the "cup winner" within the state, then the rest to order of finishing in the league i guess. Maybe NSW spread it around more for regional cups or something. How it should work is every FFA affiliated club has a potential pathway. That is if you win enough promotions etc you can qualify. Now that they are drawing this artificial community club/ professional club line they might stop that, but allowing the little clubs a shot at the title is what give cups their sense of magic. Would like to see the little clubs in at a round of 64, with the top clubs (A league, handful of state level teams) given a bye to the next round. My understanding is that it comes from the state cups. I.e the last four in the dockerty (FFV) cup will enter the FFA cup. Although I think the semis and final will still be played at state level which seems a bit pointless. (this kind of kills my point above about having a final 5 lol) Long term I wonder if you could run 2 cups. 1 for FFA qualifying and 1 for the FFV cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartinHobart Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 South Hobart beat Campbelltown City (SA) en route to the NPL final. May be biased but therefore can understand SA and TAS receiving the same number of spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Apparently the spots were awarded based upon the number of registered football players in each state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Also, I know they aren't much, but I would have liked to see an NT side included, they have a couple decent sides up there. Would love to see a game against Darwin Olympic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 This will be so shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Although I think the semis and final will still be played at state level which seems a bit pointless.I disagree, they are still playing for the FFV cup. The qualification for the FFA cup is just a prize for reaching the final 4. I hope they do play out the state cups (which I think they will). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I'm very excited about this. Just the prospect of playing Victory or South Melbourne in knock-out cup games is making me wet - imagine the atmosphere at a derby cup game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXJawsaXx Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 On Monday 11am AEDT Football Federation Australia will officially launch the inaugural FFA Cup competition and unveil the trophy. Don't miss the announcement! Follow http://www.twitter.com/FFA Just posted on Facebook. I look forward to the game against South Melbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 On Monday 11am AEDT Football Federation Australia will officially launch the inaugural FFA Cup competition and unveil the trophy. Don't miss the announcement! Follow http://www.twitter.com/FFA Just posted on Facebook. I look forward to the game against South Melbourne Grudge match haha! I'd actually love for it to be at Lakeside, would be an amazing atmosphere with the Yarraside there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXJawsaXx Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 On Monday 11am AEDT Football Federation Australia will officially launch the inaugural FFA Cup competition and unveil the trophy. Don't miss the announcement! Follow http://www.twitter.com/FFA Just posted on Facebook. I look forward to the game against South Melbourne Grudge match haha! I'd actually love for it to be at Lakeside, would be an amazing atmosphere with the Yarraside there. Apparently matches between state league teams and A-League teams will be at the state league ground. I wonder if half an ACL spot will be given to the winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 On Monday 11am AEDT Football Federation Australia will officially launch the inaugural FFA Cup competition and unveil the trophy. Don't miss the announcement! Follow http://www.twitter.com/FFA Just posted on Facebook. I look forward to the game against South Melbourne Will they and the Tards enter separate teams in the cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Live stream of the unveiling of the FFA Cup on Fox Sports website: http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/football-federation-australia-reveals-new-ffa-cup-competition-and-trophy/story-e6frf423-1226835769489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Awesome video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Love the trophy design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Trophy looks fantastic, wow! Any word on the format/competing clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah, Trophy looks the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 tuesday nights lol even the final is on a tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 main points so far; - Starts in July - Dec 16th final - Games played on Tuesday nights - Fox Sports has broadcast deal - Major sponsors to be announced in coming days - Emphasis on grassroots being able to host games - Winner to potentially compete in AFC Champions League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Interesting that all games will be played with extra time and penalties with no replays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. depending on how this shit works, at the very least the semis and final should be on the weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 "I think your boss will let you off to play in such an important competition" says Gallop ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfly100 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 would like to of known when the draw will be. Will Aleague clubs be in the draw for the first round? my stream cut out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. depending on how this shit works, at the very least the semis and final should be on the weekend How the draw works: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/How-the-FFA-Cup-draw-works/86839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 You would think they would release that Video at the same time on the webs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. depending on how this shit works, at the very least the semis and final should be on the weekend How the draw works: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/How-the-FFA-Cup-draw-works/86839 So if I am reading that correctly there are 3 all A-League games guaranteed for the first round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. depending on how this shit works, at the very least the semis and final should be on the weekend How the draw works: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/How-the-FFA-Cup-draw-works/86839 going by that it looks like we'll face an a-league side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blosstradamus Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 In the FAQ section on the website it states, regarding the final not being on a weekend; "This was not possible for 2014 given the busy 2014/15 Season Fixture due to the 2014 FIFA World Cup and the 2015 AFC Asian Cup. It is the intention for the FFA Cup Final for 2015 onwards to be on a weekend, to emphasise the importance of the FFA Cup Final within Australia’s football calendar and consistent with national knockout competitions in other countries." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. depending on how this shit works, at the very least the semis and final should be on the weekend How the draw works: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/How-the-FFA-Cup-draw-works/86839 So if I am reading that correctly there are 3 all A-League games guaranteed for the first round? it appears that way and seems a bit silly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 In the FAQ section on the website it states, regarding the final not being on a weekend; "This was not possible for 2014 given the busy 2014/15 Season Fixture due to the 2014 FIFA World Cup and the 2015 AFC Asian Cup. It is the intention for the FFA Cup Final for 2015 onwards to be on a weekend, to emphasise the importance of the FFA Cup Final within Australia’s football calendar and consistent with national knockout competitions in other countries." yeah nah shit excuse could have started the a-league season earlier or not have the opening round across 4 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I'm definitely not a fan of the pots for this kind of competition, especially the pot B crap. It's obviously been fixed so there's a likelier chance of state league sides progressing further into the tournament (edit: which is absolutely fine, but I guess the magic of the cup comes from the smaller clubs defying the odds as opposed to being given an easier route). Tuesday nights are a killer too, going to be breaking my back trying to get to any games now. Edited February 24, 2014 by Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Pot thing is definitely there to get some non A-League teams further into the comp. Not showing much fair in the semi-pro teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cunado Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Tuesday is interesting as it may force A-League clubs to field less than full strength teams after Oct. depending on how this shit works, at the very least the semis and final should be on the weekend How the draw works: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/How-the-FFA-Cup-draw-works/86839 So if I am reading that correctly there are 3 all A-League games guaranteed for the first round? it appears that way and seems a bit silly? I think its the right move. Guarantees that a few more non-a-league sides will stick around longer then the first match. Presumably the a-league teams will be heavy favourites in all matches, so immediately knocking out all the state-league teams would destroy the whole fairytale concept that the FFA are heavily pushing. That being said I really really wouldn't want to be one of the teams that is knocked out before getting the chance to take on a state team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 What I don't get is why the semi finalists get a leg up? Surely if there is an advantage as far as a league clubs go it's better to give it to the clubs that didn't have success? Perhaps in an acl thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Looking at the Draw, assuming we finish 6/7th, for which I think there is a decent chance then after the first game we will be playing non A-League teams until the semis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballism Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Should be a random draw all the way. Not this pot bullshit. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Should be a random draw all the way. Not this pot bullshit. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) In the FAQ section on the website it states, regarding the final not being on a weekend;"This was not possible for 2014 given the busy 2014/15 Season Fixture due to the 2014 FIFA World Cup and the 2015 AFC Asian Cup. It is the intention for the FFA Cup Final for 2015 onwards to be on a weekend, to emphasise the importance of the FFA Cup Final within Australia’s football calendar and consistent with national knockout competitions in other countries."How is it guarenteed to be on a weekend when they plan on playing on the same date every year? (Australia Day)Apparently the 6 A-league sides playing eachother in the first round is to help maximise the chances of state clubs going deeper in to the comp... I don't like it for a few reasons.1. The 6 weaker HAL sides are the ones more likely to lose a game providing for more 'giant killer' chances,2. You're taking the chance away from more clubs to host Pro teams (revenue),3. Three HAL clubs (and their fans) will never get the chance to face a state side,4. takes away from the integrity of the competition having such a predetermined fixture, especially with an ACL spot potentially up for grabs.And fwiw, I think the cup and logo look brilliant, I hope the naming rights sponsor doesn't fuck it... Should be a random draw all the way. Not this pot bullshit.Yes, or at least from the Second round proper onwards.The whole comp has already been so engineered so maybe for the First round could have had 2 pots; 10 HAL clubs + 6 state cup winners in one and the other 16 in another for the sake of fairness. Edited February 24, 2014 by LR9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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