Huzie Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I love AAMI park, but one day I hope we move/buy our own stadium, thought it would be interesting to see where people would like to move to if you could choose an old stadium to either buy as it is, or re-develope. I would love to move to Victoria Park, I used to go there all the time to watch collingwood when I was little (always had a sore back from the shit wooden seats) it holds close to 30k and I think if redeveloped it would make an awesome home ground. Easy to get to from public transport (not sure about parking around the ground?) paint the outside red and white (anyone who has seen it will know what I mean) not sure who owns it but hate to see it go to waste by only playing VFL games on it! Don't think we will move for 15-20 years but yeah, what stadium would you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRodgers Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 noway people from the South Eastern burbs would go to Victoria park unless they were hardcore fans.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Having our own stadium should certainly be a long-term goal. I can't imagine that our friends at the AFL would idly sit by and watch 'their heritage' being taken from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 I would choose to stay at Aami Park, it is a fantastic stadium. I think having a ground like Victoria Park as a training base/ for local friendlies would be great but not to play home games. I honestly believe that a lot of supporters wouldn't go if the games weren't at a main Melbourne stadium like Aami or Etihad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Slunt Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 All I can say is this. In light of a world cup proposal, why build a stadium with capacity that supposedly peaks at 25k, even though we're told can fit more? I has never made sense to me that they would build such a small capacity for a new stadium. yes, aesthectically, its amazing, but i mean seriously, already melbourne derbys are sold out quickly, and it can only get worse. Whats worse is that the back up is ethihad. Which, imo, is an absolutre shambles of a ground to watch football. When Everton came to town to play heart and we played there, i was like, wtf. Could barely see shit, whilst AAMI park was not in use. We honestly needed an Ethihad stadium capacity for a stadium with the aesthetics of AAMI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Whats worse is that the back up is ethihad. Which, imo, is an absolutre shambles of a ground to watch football. When Everton came to town to play heart and we played there, i was like, wtf. Could barely see shit, whilst AAMI park was not in use. We honestly needed an Ethihad stadium capacity for a stadium with the aesthetics of AAMI. I went to the Victory v Sydney final a few years ago where they change the seating configuration to rectangular and it was brilliant. It's a shame that they can't change it more often without screwing up the grass for the AFL. Edited March 5, 2012 by hedaik1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 AAMI was planned to be expanded to 40k+ in the event of a world cup. Then they realised that the design of the roof would make it prohibitively expensive. 30k is fine anyway. It comfortably accomodates Victory's constantly falling crowds and still enables us to create a bit of atmosphere with ours. Sold out derbies at AAMI > 35k at Etihad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomby Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Are you serious? AAMI Park is the best stadium for football, wouldn't want to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Don't really understand why you would want to move? All we need to do is kick vucktree out of AAMI Park.. Coz I hate seeing them play home games there kinda frustrates me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 A stadium that had a capacity of about 16k-20k would be perfect for us in the medium term. At the moment I can't see our crowd getting above 12k (that's being generous) unless we somehow pull an amazing player etc. Anyway, it's all speculation - AAMI Park is pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Aesthetically speaking, Aami Park is the best ground to use for Football. It is designed for football/rugby fans. Why move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schrecky Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 How often does this conversation come up? Why would you want to move from AAMI , its centralised , its new , with 5000 crowd the atmosphere is good, with 25000 its great. Dont under estimate how good it is having that massive bit of grass (goshes paddock) next it for kids (like me) to play before the game We share it with 3 other clubs - imagine the overhead of having your own stadium! At 30k capacity its already botique enough. Its only required 15 games a year + Finals and hopefully ACL next year (do you like what im saying here . We need to concentrate on building our ranks - not moving away.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 The only reason I could see us moving would be if we cannot attract big enough crowds to pay to use the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood18 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 AAMI should be our home, it has an awesome atmosphere. Why would we give this away to play at an aussie rules ground, where we would be further away from the pitch and the atmosphere would be so less superior to AAMI. Anyway AAMI is an awesome, central location, why would we want to lose that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schrecky Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I went to the Victory v Sydney final a few years ago where they change the seating configuration to rectangular and it was brilliant. It's a shame that they can't change it more often without screwing up the grass for the AFL. It doesnt ruin the grass, its the 50k cost that stops them from moving the stands at etihad. Even then its still only good for the stands at ground level - still crap from up high - most of its capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Cost too much to play at AAMI, I think we had a reduced price for our first few years playing there aswell so the price will be higher soon...with the amount of supporters we have it's hard to make money playing there all the time, maybe we could just play all our big games there. Would love a stadium where our youth could play before the seniors each week and all profits go to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peted27 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 how can we call AAMI park our home ground when we share it with our biggest rivals. I would love to see us move out to our own stadium, red and fucking white, so that when the cunts from across town come, they know theyre in our stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 at very least AAMI could use red and white lights for our home games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 This is a lovely dream type thing but realistically unfeasible. Will there be a day where we need a bigger stadium? Not for a long time, if ever. Our crowds at the moment are a third of Aami park's capacity, and don't look like growing dramatically any time soon. So why would we ever change? In terms of our own ground, a proper training base is the aim for us. That is the place we paint red and white. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicka94 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 how can we call AAMI park our home ground when we share it with our biggest rivals. I would love to see us move out to our own stadium, red and fucking white, so that when the cunts from across town come, they know theyre in our stadium So are you saying Inter and AC Milan can't call the San Siro their home ground? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peted27 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 So are you saying Inter and AC Milan can't call the San Siro their home ground? sure, but if i was a supporter of either of those clubs, and hated the other, i would hate to share a stadium with them victory would hardly be feeling intimidated coming to our "home ground" on derby day now would they, considering they play most of their games there... it just doesnt sit right with me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 i'm with you on this one. club should concentrate on building a brand, building supporters, not material things such as stadiums. AAMI and goshes paddock are awesome....so long as the stadium remains competitively priced. on the flip side - although from an admin (+gym,pool) perspective the club has all it needs at Latrobe, I recon it could do with better club facilities to support our players. Hope they can lobby the government to build out a bigger base for our club (perhaps shared by other sport codes i.e. baseball/softball/hockey). They put up with approx 1m for a building i.e. several offices, several medical rooms, small gym to support warm ups etc. nothing too flash would do. if they partner with Latrobe, they could have the Uni's security circulate the building after hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peted27 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 can i just say, i dont want us to move out next year.... im thinking along the lines of OP 20+ years..... think it should be a long term goal of the clubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 For example (using afl stadium deals) st kilda have to bring in a crowed of 30k odd to Etihad every game to just break even on their stadium deal, Geelong owns their stadium and only have to pay for stadium staff before making profit. I know it's not as simple as that but you get what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranerz21 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 aami park is a great ground for us at the moment, easy for everyone to get to and kinda state of the art, would love to see grounds like in england and europe where there is just one team there and has a really passionate fan base and great atomosphere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toogood18 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 sure, but if i was a supporter of either of those clubs, and hated the other, i would hate to share a stadium with them victory would hardly be feeling intimidated coming to our "home ground" on derby day now would they, considering they play most of their games there... it just doesnt sit right with me... How many clubs share the MCG? Seriously AAMI is amazing from a fans point of view lets get that straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 We also wouldn't be restricted on what we could bring into the stadium if we owned it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 afl shouldn't really be compared but then again i doubt they would look into building another stadium for sokkah fans for a fair fair while would be sick to have one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schrecky Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Another point of view The Victorian Bushrangers play there games at a 100,000 capacity ground and would be lucky to get 50 fans to the tests. Crowd numbers can have an impact on the viability of a ground, but not as the above example shows not always. I'm sure the people who manage AMMI would rather give us a cheap deal to use the facilities than not have us there at all. AAMI will always be viable for us. Edited March 5, 2012 by schrecky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelawolf Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Amy Parks holds 30k (ok we have never seen this many people inside before) and it has 2 main exits? even for small crowds its such a pain in the ass to get out of, derby day is beyond a joke despite being the best stadium in this country, there was certainly some every stupid decisions made. ok rant over. cool story bro etc. Edited March 5, 2012 by yelawolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 Few more examples of the top of my head: Sampa - Genoa, CSKA - Dynamo, Bayern - 1860, Roma - Lazio all play at the same Stadio. I also remember Fulham playing at at Loftus Road a few years ago whilst Craven Cottage was closed. However, what I'm really worried about is the club losing big money on gameday playing out of the MRS, as the price cut deal at the MRS expires at the end of next season. So hopefully some deal can be reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I just don't see how it will ever be financially viable for a club like ours to afford to build a stadium and keep it financially sustainable. Especially when you consider that under the current format it would spend half a year empty as we only play in summer. It's a different sport but if the AFL clubs with their big crowds and much larger revenue can't afford it the how are we going to be able to? And how would whatever we build be better than Aami Park in any area other than "Victory wouldn't feel at home there"? The cost would far outweigh the benefits. Like I said earlier, aim for a state of the art training base. Spend our money on that and perssonel, not a stadium that is redundant for half a year and wasn't needed in the first place. *This all still applies long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 The Victorian Bushrangers play there games at a 100,000 capacity ground and would be lucky to get 50 fans to the tests. Crowd numbers can have an impact on the viability of a ground, but not as the above example shows not always. They have the help of the MCC, and plenty of income from the Tests/AFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Well we pay 200-300k to play a home game at AAMI, surely if we borrowed 10mil or something and had gov funding or something the loan repayments would be FAR less, Also we would have an empty stadium to put advertising in, not like now where we get fuck all of the stadium to put our sponsors up. I look at it as renting compared to buying a house, and we all know what they say about rent money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argentinez Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Heart stadium is MRS kick victory back to eithad full time! Simple! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Taking a look at some of the MLS stadiums Toyota & PPL parks, Rio Tinto stadium, for about 100-120 Million. BMO Field in Toronto was half that at ~60mil. MRS was 260. I doubt the club would be able to afford anything like this right now. In perhaps 5 or so years time when we've worked out were the club stands we may be able to look into something like PPL park with a smaller capacity (15k) if the cost of being a tenant at AAMI is becoming too great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) There is absolutely no need to be looking at this kind of money. New St. Mirren Park is worth looking at - http://www.scottishgrounds.co.uk/st_mirren.htm - OK it holds only 8,000, but it cost only $13.5m or so to build. The company that built it specialises in these 'off the shelf' stadiums and builds them to suit the desired capacity. There are other examples. I sympathise with the position put forward by Huzie. I'll probably be flamed, but AAMI Park is a gross waste of taxpayers money. It is not even a football stadium, but is a rugby stadium. Heart will never fill it for anything but a home derby. I doubt that in the foreseeable future we will ever draw more than 12,000-15,000 to a routine league match. Playing at AAMI will be a continual bleed of money from the club, we will always be at the mercy of the MOPT, we will never own one square inch of it, and it will never provide us with an income stream. If I were a member of the syndicate I would certainly be looking at our own ground. Edited March 7, 2012 by jw1739 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downbylaw Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I'll probably be flamed, but AAMI Park is a gross waste of taxpayers money. It is not even a football stadium, but is a rugby stadium. Heart will never fill it for anything but a home derby. Another brilliant move by another incompetent government. No one told the roof designers about the plan to expand meaning now its current capacity will forever be and then they go and charge exorbitant rates for it use. Love storm, heart and rebels to share a stadium owned by the clubs and tell amy parks to sod off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 if we do get a stadium of our own one day and go by reading what people reckon it should seat where would we play a derby because if it was in this stadium it would only be around 10 to 15 thousand as suggested, back to aami for the derbys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peted27 Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 nah mate, just let the derbys sell out at 15K. might make more people become members 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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