cadete Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) I am allowed to have a narrow minded and selfish mindset to following football. If I am going to give the passion to the game that I do then I don’t see why I can’t be selfish when doing so. My priorities are basic as they are what I really care about: My Club and My Experience when at the game. I don’t see a reason to force myself to care about things that I don’t fucken care about. You obviously clearly care about these other things as many do on here, such as your National Team, other clubs, the leagues heath... whatever that is also your choice but these not really effect MH winning games or me have a fun time in RK/ On a Away Trip so they are not my priorities. The fact is that supporter culture is this League is only really passable in the two traditional hubs of the game in Melbourne and Sydney. Therefore my experience at a game elsewhere as far as when my club's support is not concerned is usually quite poor. This was obviously always bound to happen due to the preset plastic nature of the league from day dot. However letting a team like Canberra in over the football hub of Western Sydney would just continue the hurt in supporter culture in this league which myself like many here is attempting to create. If the game day experience offered in the stands is similar Supporters Culture to most of those outside of Melbourne and Sydney I will lose interest in this league anyway so if I want be coming anyway how will the league’s quality be a concern of mine?. Edited April 5, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) I am allowed to have a narrow minded and selfish mindset to following football. If I am going to give the passion to the game that I do then I don’t see why I can’t be selfish when doing so. My priorities are basic as they are what I really care about: My Club and My Experience when at the game. I don’t see a reason to force myself to care about things that I don’t fucken care about. You obviously clearly care about these other things as many do on here, such as your National Team, other clubs, the leagues heath... whatever that is also your choice but these not really effect MH winning games or me have a fun time in RK/ On a Away Trip so they are not my priorities. The fact is that supporter culture is this League is only really passable in the two traditional hubs of the game in Melbourne and Sydney. Therefore my experience at a game elsewhere as far as when my club's support is not concerned is usually quite poor. This was obviously always bound to happen due to the preset plastic nature of the league from day dot. However letting a team like Canberra in over the football hub of Western Sydney would just continue the hurt in supporter culture in this league which myself like many here is attempting to create. If the game day experience offered in the stands is similar Supporters Culture to most of those outside of Melbourne and Sydney I will lose interest in this league anyway so if I want be coming anyway how will the league’s quality be a concern of mine?. What to you is passable supporters culture? What are you comparing it too? Personally, being involved in this league since it's inception, 7 seasons or so and a little bit of NSL when I was a kid, I highly disagree that Melbourne and Sydney are the only real traditional football hubs in Australia, ignorance of the highest order. Edited April 5, 2012 by Hendo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I am thoroughly enjoying this thread. Please, lads. Continue. This should be archived... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) I have a simple definition for passable: Up to standard with Yarraside: In terms of Chant Quality, Visual Support, and most all a supporter group that is Clearly Independent from Club and not affraid of Self Expression. Of course the game has been played all around the country at different places for long periods of time but the fact is the largest centres of supporter activity for the game have always been in Melb and Syd. This was present in the State Leagues prior to the NSL, In the early NSL, More modern NSL and today in the A League this is undeniable fact. In fact the only slight exception to this rule was in the Modern NSL where for a brief 5 year period the Australian Football Community looked towards Perth Oval as well as Syd and Melb - Which was were I was attending far more NSL games than I am sure you ever atttended (So I am not ignorant). Edited April 5, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 By the way this all my opinion. Because you asked for greater qualification, as I was talking about what Supporter Cultures I enjoy encountering at games in the league which therefore leave me wanting to come back each week. Before you launch into a reply about the history of Newy Supporter Culture: Which I will happily read I am going to have to inform you that when saw at first hand it did really interest or excite me and my opinion is probably going to stay this way, just like the others who did that trip who formed similar opinions. Its same as what you and everyone else here would think about a Port Melbourne Borough game – I completly disagree but It does not make you ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) I have a simple definition for passable: Up to standard with Yarraside: In terms of Chant Quality, Visual Support, and most all a supporter group that is Clearly Independent from Club and not affraid of Self Expression. Of course the game has been played all around the country at different places for long periods of time but the fact is the largest centres of supporter activity for the game have always been in Melb and Syd. This was present in the State Leagues prior to the NSL, In the early NSL, More modern NSL and today in the A League this is undeniable fact. In fact the only slight exception to this rule was in the Modern NSL where for a brief 5 year period the Australian Football Community looked towards Perth Oval as well as Syd and Melb - Which was were I was attending far more NSL games than I am sure you ever atttended (So I am not ignorant). Australia's two biggest cities obviously house the largest centres of supporter activity, considering a vast majority of ex-NSL clubs were from these centres. However, the biggest visual display to date has come from outisde these two major centres. I'd review your list. Sydney Melbourne Newcastle The rest, yes are rubbish in regards to your aforementioned criteria. In fact the only slight exception to this rule was in the Modern NSL where for a brief 5 year period the Australian Football Community looked towards Perth Oval as well as Syd and Melb - Which was were I was attending far more NSL games than I am sure you ever atttended (So I am not ignorant). I wouldn't be so sure of that, I was actually a supporter of the old NU and even the Breakers beforehand when I was a kid, went to most games for about 5-6 seasons. The big question remains, surely you weren't a glory fan. Before you launch into a reply about the history of Newy Supporter Culture: Which I will happily read I am going to have to inform you that when saw at first hand it did really interest or excite me and my opinion is probably going to stay this way, just like the others who did that trip who formed similar opinions. First home game of the season isn't probably the best time of year to go up there, it's just the way Newcastle is. Anyway, that's a story for another time and place. Red Section, Rowdies etc... Edited April 5, 2012 by Hendo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazzatron Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 In my mind I included Newcastle when Cadete said Sydney. They wouldnt have less numbers than us, and are clearly as if not more dedicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) I thought you knew I was a reluctant Glory fan, I have spoken a fair bit about those days – I even saw Lubo when he was the Shed’s hero I supported them like I have supported Australia in Cricket over the years. So when players I really liked were playing like Boutsi and Mori then I was more Pro-Glory, but the team used to annoy me sometimes in to liking the Ethnic Visitors at times as they reminded me of Melbourne and were exotic when compared to a ground coated in Chicken Treat. At different stages I also like MC (Because their Celtic Away Kit), and Adelaide City and Marconi: But I always hated South Melbourne. I would attend probably every second home game at my height of attendance at Glory games between when I moved over there in 1996-7 to when Alcohol/Girls completely consumed my Summers in 2000-1 so probably fewer games than you but you must of been pretty young back then. Edited April 5, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) Although this thread has gone way off topic i am finding it extremely interesting reading. I am always interested to find out peoples football backgrounds and how they came to support mhfc. A football biography could make for a really good thread. Anyway back on topic though West Sydney. It is happening. Would be interested to hear things from the Sydney fc supporters perspective. Sorry i have forgotten his name. Edited April 5, 2012 by KSK_47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Harry they are all talking about: 1. Rigging the vote so WS are called something stupid like the Unicorns. 2. Whose going to switch discussions - with of course the Sin City Crew being mentioned again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I had a quick look yesterday. Sounds like they are still discussing the same stuff then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 I cannot see that great a Active Supporter culture coming out of Canberra as one that could come out of West Sydney so I much prefer WS to come into the League. Having now lived in Canberra for 7 weeks, i am confident that there would be a strongly vocal/passionate active support base. I don't understand at all how you've come to the conclusion that there wouldn't be that sort of culture. No doubt in my biased mind, Canberra is a million times better pick than another Sydney team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 (edited) I think most people are coming to this conclusion because of the Cosmos, however you are probably right that it is unfair to compare the Canberra of then to the Canberra of now. I attended a Cosmos game in 1998 and much like the city itself, I found it to be a bland, sterile snore fest void of anything remotely close to culture. However, that was then. Things may very well have changed. It sounds as though, yes, Canberra would be able to pull something close to a reasonable following which I am sure would be passionate, vocal and loyal. However, at this point in time I think West Sydney is the better option for the FFA, if for no other reason than the size of its target audience (roughly 3 times that of Canberra) which means more money. As has been mentioned previously if the FFA can do this properly then it could well be a massive shot in the arm to the A-League. Obviously if things go pear shaped things may get a bit hairy, but lets hope they have learned from previous errors. Edited April 9, 2012 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/236489,west-sydney-call-for-fans.aspx THE fan engagement for the new Sydney A-League club representing Western Sydney will kick off this Thursday 12 April 2012 at the Mounties club in Mt Pritchard. Around 300 fans, football administrators and former Socceroos from western Sydney will gather to start the process towards selecting a name, colours, logo and culture for the new club. The Mounties group includes the NSW Super League club Mounties Wanderers FC with almost 1,000 players in outdoor football and Futsal "Community engagement will be at the core of this club's foundation and Mounties is a great place to start our listening tour across western Sydney," said the Head of Hyundai A-League Lyall Gorman."We're really excited by the idea of harnessing the passion of football people across western Sydney to bring this club to life." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Thread needs a name change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Thread needs a name change. In fact, I think there was a West Sydney thread before this, but everyone just started posting in this one. Maybe mods can merge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 First Fan meeting tonight between FFA & West Syd supporters, and some interesting developments; -Red/Back overwhelming favourite for colours. As was Wanderers for name and Parramatta for Stadium. -Already fractures in the supporter base, with 'Western Front' & the guys from 'West Syd Football.com' arguing with each other over who is the true voice of the fans (reminiscent of the early battles between Active Supporters & the Melbourne Heart Supporter Association - when our club was starting up). -Meeting was apparently gate crashed by Sydney FC supporters, which caused an out break of pro-West Sydney chants. -Biggest scene was caused by seven Sydney United Supporters who dominated the meeting about what compenstaion fees would be should Sydney United be pillaged of players by West Sydney FC, and then got verbal with Buckley & Bozza before storming out. Biggest fuck up for me is the colours. Another club in Red in this League after us & Adelaide is a fucking disaster. These guys are screaming out that they want to have a traditional styled club to support, with a traditional name & strong fan involvement, yet they are overlooking the traditional colours of the Western Suburbs in Black & White, to go with something that isn't even related to their area in Red...? Total fuck up. Black & White is not used by any other major Sydney sporting team atm, and why you wouldn't want to colour yourselves with some of most fanatically supported clubs in this world (Besikitas, Corinthians, PAOK, Partizan etc.) is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 RE: Western Front, they seem a bit of a shermozzle. Would be surprised if any of the people involved in it are aged over 15. They were the ones going around to other A-League Clubs Active Support Facebook pages asking to make an "alliance" and forming a "brotherhood". Was a good laugh though. And they are quite skillful with MS Paint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 FFS saw some kent on their forum mention the nickname Redlegs... Bullshit thats ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchPride Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Knew the colours would be suggested the same or close to the colours of West Sydney Rovers proposal, such a disappointment, need a new look in the League, like a black. Paramatta Stadium is definitely a good choice at this stage as it's the central point, also with the opinion of proposal of a stadium built in Western Sydney Regional Park later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 We should all sign up multis on their forums and start pushing the colours Black & White so they don't go with Red.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouser Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 What about pink the skinheads would just love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 We should all sign up multis on their forums and start pushing the colours Black & White so they don't go with Red.... I'd do it if i wasn't so lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 they should have a different color. yellow with a black collar would look good IMO but the black & white is good too. i do like the wanderers for a name, and the fact they'll most likely play at Parramatta. first signing will be Halloran anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuggetsMcGreggor Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Guess each other's multi for the lolz. Mine isn't that hard tbh. Cadete and Hendo will probably get it straight away after seeing my car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Saw a video of WF guys at the Sydney FC game in Parramatta a while ago. OK mentality as they chanted for most of the game, but also a little gay as they all ripped pyro at a venue that had nothing to do with the game. I can see the WS home end challenging YS for the A-League group that got their shit together the quickest. WF are a bit of a joke though, as are T-Way Service Crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Saw a video of WF guys at the Sydney FC game in Parramatta a while ago. OK mentality as they chanted for most of the game, but also a little gay as they all ripped pyro at a venue that had nothing to do with the game. I can see the WS home end challenging YS for the A-League group that got their shit together the quickest. WF are a bit of a joke though, as are T-Way Service Crew. 1. The guys you saw chanting in that video from Paramatta were not WF they are WS Skins (ex SCC) 2. The pyro you are talking about, if it is the same one as i am thinking was a tribute to their dead friend. 3. The real Western Front are an absolute joke most WS supporters seem to agree (going by the comments on their forum) 4. Have you even seen anything or heard anything the T-Way service crew have done at all to be commenting that they are a bit of a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Thanks for clearing that up Malloyski. The fact they have no members, it's just one guy on Twitter talking shit. A bit of a joke if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) I think its best to just stop assuming at, mate... I am sure the SCC could also label you a bit of a shit talker from some the comments u just made about them... Edited April 14, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 The fact that they are a bunch of bogan flogs who get bashed in their own home end? Luls. I've heard of individual supporters switching sides, but never whole groups of organised and active supporters. Will leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted April 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Lawrie McKinna set to be named head coach, with Mark Jones his assistant. Lyall Gorman rumoured to be demoted from his role at FFA, and may become CEO. Blacktown City's Ken Schembri has been named Football Operations manager. And Buddy Farah has been linked to play some role with the club... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) The fact that they are a bunch of bogan flogs who get bashed in their own home end? Luls. I've heard of individual supporters switching sides, but never whole groups of organised and active supporters. Will leave it at that. Luls??? Well that clearly never happened either: At least half of SCC stayed on as supporters of Sydney FC. And your description of SCC is way way of the mark as well. Seriously just stop posting shit that u know nothing about and making us all look like fools. Edited April 15, 2012 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Lawrie McKinna set to be named head coach "As regards to the rumour about Lawrie Mckinna for West Sydney... although Lawrie is a good man, after listening to the fans on Thursday night this will be a big mistake... one of the things that came out of Thursdays meeting was that the people are insisting on a WS local to coach. The FFA must fulfill their promise to listen to the fans." Mark Bozza's twitter account Edited April 15, 2012 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pav Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Im gonna hate this club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) FFA has emailed 40,000 people to find their thoughts on the new Sydney club. Here's the link I got via email; http://www.surveygiz...New-Sydney-Club Suggest we all hit it up the survey and vote for Black and White as the colours so these cunts don't start using Red like us - like the majoirty of them want. 2150 is the postcode for Parramatta if you want to make the survey look more legit. Where it asks for a reason on the colours, just write that "Black & White are the traditional colours of West Sydney and there's already 3 clubs using Red in the A-League. 4 would be too many". Gotta say the list of potential club names looks pretty shocking aswell; -Inter Western Sydney -Western Sydney Athletic -Western Sydney Heartland -Western Sydney Wanderers -Western Sydney Stars -Real Western Sydney -Western Sydney Lions -Western Sydney Power -Western Sydney Wildcats -Western Sydney Cosmos -Western Sydney Union -Western SydneyWolves -Western Sydney All Stars -Western Sydney Pulse -Sporting Western Sydney -Western Sydney International -Western Sydney Beats -Western Sydney PFC (People's Football Club) -Western Sydney Rangers -Western Sydney Juniors -Western Sydney Warriors -Western Sydney Strikers Ended up voting for West Sydney PFC because I think it's got a nice ring to it. Best of a bad bunch. Edited April 24, 2012 by FB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuggetsMcGreggor Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 started survey.....gave up on page 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 -Western Sydney Beats OH please be this one. Gay as christmas and am completely perplexed as to it's relevance if any. -Western Sydney PFC (People's Football Club) First thing i thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I really liked the sound of 'West Sydney Inter/International' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB. Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 started survey.....gave up on page 1 Just click random answers ffs, only part of the survey that concerns us is the colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I hope its Beats, because that will mean we no longer have the gayest name in the competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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