Murfy1 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, neio said: Apparently Muscat picked up a virus matchday, and that's why he couldn't take his spot in side He was in Perth and probably would have started Can't blame anyone for that one, just unfortunate Fair point on Muscat specifically. Nonetheless, I'd still say that having zero cover for Atkinson was being very hopeful. Having no cover for a kid who's just had a long injury, and expecting him to play 90+ minutes away in Perth, was asking for trouble. 7 hours ago, jw1739 said: @Murfy1 We also released John Roberts, another prolific young striker and Scholarship player after signing him only 8 months or so previously, and we should also probably count Anthony Caceres, who had signed for us for 2017/18 and was in pre-season and didn't depart until the end of July 2017. IMO some very poor decisions have been made this season and they are definitely hurting us. Agree on all those points. Looking back, I think much of the optimism over the first month of the season in October had as much to do with our squad (and the potential of all the players in the squad) as the successful/winning football we were playing at that time. However, instead of seeing Fornaroli, Brandan, Carrusca and more integrate into the team together, we are trying to integrate new players mid-season in Delbridge, Vidosic, Bozanic. Apart from Vidosic, the highest amount of mid-season turnover we've ever had is not paying off ATM. And instead of building for the future, I am also concerned that some of these poor decisions- like signing Delbridge for 3 seasons- will definitely hurt us more as time goes on. Edited February 27, 2018 by Murfy1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Murfy1 said: ...However, instead of seeing Fornaroli, Brandan, Carrusca and more integrate into the team together, we are trying to integrate new players mid-season in Delbridge, Vidosic, Bozanic. Apart from Vidosic, the highest amount of mid-season turnover we've ever had is not paying off ATM... I hear what you're saying but I'd argue that until the Sydney game, we were unbeaten since the first week of the year and if it wasn't for player brain fades, we would've come back from Perth with another win. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 11 hours ago, rass said: I hear what you're saying but I'd argue that until the Sydney game, we were unbeaten since the first week of the year and if it wasn't for player brain fades, we would've come back from Perth with another win. And my point is why do we still have player brain fades season after season? Two matches this season where a decent draw and a valuable point have been thrown away in the final seconds of matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, jw1739 said: And my point is why do we still have player brain fades season after season? Two matches this season where a decent draw and a valuable point have been thrown away in the final seconds of matches. Yep it's a real concern isn't it and so very frustrating. It's been happening over a number of years with different players and coaches. I just think it's too convenient to blame coaching in those instances. We're talking about seasoned adult professionals here. Stuff like mouthing off, sliding in recklessly on a yellow, switching off and not concentrating when a team has a free kick deep in your defence.... Cmon, these guys know better than that. So frustrating! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 38 minutes ago, rass said: Yep it's a real concern isn't it and so very frustrating. It's been happening over a number of years with different players and coaches. I just think it's too convenient to blame coaching in those instances. We're talking about seasoned adult professionals here. Stuff like mouthing off, sliding in recklessly on a yellow, switching off and not concentrating when a team has a free kick deep in your defence.... Cmon, these guys know better than that. So frustrating! @rass The ""coaches or players?" argument has gone on here as long as the brain fades have been occurring, and I have reached the point where I agree with you that the players have to take responsibility and be held accountable. I don't think they are being held accountable, at least not publicly, and IMO it's time they were. I don't agree with Joyce's "We deserved a point out of this match" - we didn't deserve a thing, because we stuffed it up it up completely, as we did against Victory, and we were simply not good enough as a professional football team. I'll leave it at that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Oh so true re player accountability. Players these days know first point of scrutiny and blame is always the coach. Throw in the ability to break contracts at ease and earn more in 90minutes than a normal person can in 100 lifetimes, they get just a little too much protection imo. Look I'm not saying coaches aren't to blame. Joyce for instance has definitely made errors in his time here. I just don't like that as soon as something goes wrong, we all blame the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Its the HAL not the Premier League, 20% of players in the HAL should only be NPL level. There will always be brain fades, if players here werent making them, they would be in a much better league already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 39 minutes ago, haz said: Its the HAL not the Premier League, 20% of players in the HAL should only be NPL level. There will always be brain fades, if players here werent making them, they would be in a much better league already. Staying on brand, nice. Hyundai will be impressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 40 minutes ago, Blackout said: Staying on brand, nice. Hyundai will be impressed. I didnt say Hyundai specifically.... I could have meant any company starting with H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, haz said: Its the HAL not the Premier League, 20% of players in the HAL should only be NPL level. There will always be brain fades, if players here werent making them, they would be in a much better league already. That's possibly true, but if it is I say that for a CFG club that aspires to be a force in the A-League and in Asia we have far too many too often. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, jw1739 said: That's possibly true, but if it is I say that for a CFG club that aspires to be a force in the A-League and in Asia we have far too many too often. Imagine how we'd be punished in the ACL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: That's possibly true, but if it is I say that for a CFG club that aspires to be a force in the A-League and in Asia we have far too many too often. This is where the cap causes the problems. You will never have a team full of players in the HAL which wont have brain farts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, haz said: This is where the cap causes the problems. You will never have a team full of players in the HAL which wont have brain farts I would say that Sydney have done pretty well for two seasons in a row...if they're still having them, it isn't harming their success. But I just don't buy your argument. All the player has to do is focus for 95 minutes 27 times per season. FMD, that's hardly too much is it? Plenty of ordinary people have critical jobs where far greater focus is required than that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 34 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I would say that Sydney have done pretty well for two seasons in a row...if they're still having them, it isn't harming their success. But I just don't buy your argument. All the player has to do is focus for 95 minutes 27 times per season. FMD, that's hardly too much is it? Plenty of ordinary people have critical jobs where far greater focus is required than that. Thats the thing, imagine someone working for as a developer for Apple, vs one at some small company in a basment. The skill level will be different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 If players were perfect they wouldn't be playing here, pretty simple 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Chris p said: If players were perfect they wouldn't be playing here, pretty simple Hence why Iain Ramsay left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 28, 2018 Report Share Posted February 28, 2018 Cmon peeps, there are mistakes and there are brain fades. Using your argument, Bouzanis' last min fuk up against Victory was totally acceptable because he doesn't have the skills to be in another league. Get real... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 18 hours ago, haz said: I didnt say Hyundai specifically.... I could have meant any company starting with H The "put it in H" A-league 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 Well what i saw is that we sent out a different team in the second half, well we must have or Joyce told them to defend not to attack because what i witnessed was total capitulation and a complete shambles for the whole second half . Bloody awful football just so frustrating and it almost cost me a new tv as i was so angry my wife had to calm me down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 10 hours ago, rass said: Using your argument, Bouzanis' last min fuk up against Victory was totally acceptable because he doesn't have the skills to be in another league. Get real... Not its not acceptable, but thats not the point. He's here because he couldnt make it overseas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 21 hours ago, haz said: Thats the thing, imagine someone working for as a developer for Apple, vs one at some small company in a basment. The skill level will be different. Steve Jobs and Steve Waozniak started Apple in their parent's garage. And another developer Gates (Bil??) started Microsoft in a small run down apartment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 1, 2018 Report Share Posted March 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, NewConvert said: Steve Jobs and Steve Waozniak started Apple in their parent's garage. And another developer Gates (Bil??) started Microsoft in a small run down apartment. Haha this conversation is getting way off track. When I mentioned Apple I meant their current status. I guess you could apply your example, Arzani is starting in the basement (HAL) and will soon be good enough for Apple/Microsoft (EPL/Bundesliga). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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