Imtellingyou Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Bud is not a central striker. If something was poor that's manager's decision to play him in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, playmaker said: Bud is not a striker and shouldn't be played there. In the second half he got him self into the game and I was surprised to see him hounding and taking possession in the RB area. He had a poor game I agree however it is good to see him working harder than I have seen him previously. To say the horse has bolted is a bit of an over reaction but hey if we can get a better player to replace him why not. You have been a defender of both Joyce and Bud. Yet, and I agree with you, he seems to be continually played out of position by Joyce. Why do you think that is the case? and if you could play Bud in the CAM how would you rejig the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 hours ago, NewConvert said: You have been a defender of both Joyce and Bud. Yet, and I agree with you, he seems to be continually played out of position by Joyce. Why do you think that is the case? and if you could play Bud in the CAM how would you rejig the team? I say it the way I see it and i don't have bias to anyone. The only bias I have is to see MCFC win every game and every trophy. My perceived bias to Bud is nothing more than he is a Marquee and CAM so he should be on the pitch in that position. I understand he was out of condition when he joined but he has had enough time to get up to speed. We need our marquee firing for us to win trophies so either he gets played or get rid of him. In the last game Wazza should have started Vidosic up front as he is more comfortable central and forward. As we saw when Ross came on, Bud played very well compared to the first half and Vidosic became a centrally positioned target because Ross was dragging defenders out of of the box. All 3 are very smart players and are match winners if played right. We are getting there and we are a much better balanced team than previous years and we run out games well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 How did our scouts get Ardian mixed up with Budzinski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, haz said: How did our scouts get Ardian mixed up with Budzinski? Meh. We stopped him last time, let's see how they go with Bud's canons from outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) he used to be shite, but now he's alright Edited February 4, 2018 by Thrillhouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Clear pen. fuck Dean you friggin legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) wrong thread Edited February 4, 2018 by Thrillhouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Marcin 1 assist & Goal starting to show his worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Missing_Moy said: Marcin 1 assist & Goal starting to show his worth Probably should have had a 2nd assist early on if Arzani (iirc) missed just after Marcin scored the first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Rapt to see him performing well. Exactly what we need especially with Ross leaving. Well done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Yeah starting to hit his straps now. Great to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 I never doubted him <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 Noticeable how much defensive work and tackling he is doing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 4, 2018 Report Share Posted February 4, 2018 11 hours ago, n i k o said: Rapt to see him performing well. Exactly what we need especially with Ross leaving. Well done. Really good that he stepped up when Vidosic was having an off day (he's set a high bar, I know he had one saved off the line etc etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Time for some stats https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcin-budzinski/leistungsdaten/spieler/82173/saison/2017/plus/1#AUS1 Marcin Budzinski: 638 mins - 5 goals - 1 assist --> 106 mins per contribution In comparison....... Andrew Nabbout: 1654 mins - 8 goals - 6 assists --> 118 mins per contribution Milos Ninkovic: 1317 mins - 3 goals - 2 assists --> 263 mins per contribution Dimi Petratos: 1607 mins - 7 goals - 6 assists --> 123 mins per contribution Adrian Mierzejewski: 1229 mins - 9 goals - 6 assists --> 81 mins per contribution Of course this does not take into account work-rate, defensive stats or chances created. But agaisnt the leagues top performing midfielders Budzik arguably contributes more to goals then most. (Also I thought Budzik had more then 1 assist?) EDIT: My math was wrong Edited February 7, 2018 by haz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, haz said: Time for some stats https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcin-budzinski/leistungsdaten/spieler/82173/saison/2017/plus/1#AUS1 Marcin Budzinski: 638 mins - 5 goals - 1 assist --> 106 mins per contribution In comparison....... Andrew Nabbout: 1654 mins - 8 goals - 6 assists --> 118 mins per contribution Milos Ninkovic: 1317 mins - 3 goals - 2 assists --> 263 mins per contribution Dimi Petratos: 1607 mins - 7 goals - 6 assists --> 123 mins per contribution Adrian Mierzejewski: 1229 mins - 9 goals - 6 assists --> 81 mins per contribution Of course this does not take into account work-rate, defensive stats or chances created. But agaisnt the leagues top performing midfielders Budzik arguably contributes more to goals then most. (Also I thought Budzik had more then 1 assist?) Now for some math Assuming Budzik continues at this rate of scoring/assisting (contributing), his total minutes per contribution can be calculated for Adrian's total playing time of 1229 mins. Budzik Total Mins = 638 Budzik Total Goals+Assists = 6 Target Total Playing Time = 1229 (It is still possible for Budzik to reach it this season) Budzik Potential Goals+Assists = x Therefore 6/638 = x/1229 --> x ≈ 20 Hence Budzik at his current rate should have 20 goals+assists by the time he has played 1229 mins. As a result (1229/20) Budzik would have around 62 mins per contribution. As a comparison, in Mooy's last season with City he had 108 mins per contribution. NB: All this data is from Transfermarkt, I know Mooy according to Fox had 15+ assists I love your work on this forum Haz, but you need to get out more mate 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: I love your work on this forum Haz, but you need to get out more mate Cheers ive heard that way too much -2C outside right now, about -6C with wind. I think im staying inside Edited February 7, 2018 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illeatyourheart Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, haz said: Cheers ive heard that way too much -2C outside right now, about -6C with wind. I think im staying inside I too like to lock myself in the coolroom at work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 hours ago, haz said: Time for some stats https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcin-budzinski/leistungsdaten/spieler/82173/saison/2017/plus/1#AUS1 Marcin Budzinski: 638 mins - 5 goals - 1 assist --> 106 mins per contribution In comparison....... Andrew Nabbout: 1654 mins - 8 goals - 6 assists --> 118 mins per contribution Milos Ninkovic: 1317 mins - 3 goals - 2 assists --> 263 mins per contribution Dimi Petratos: 1607 mins - 7 goals - 6 assists --> 123 mins per contribution Adrian Mierzejewski: 1229 mins - 9 goals - 6 assists --> 81 mins per contribution Of course this does not take into account work-rate, defensive stats or chances created. But agaisnt the leagues top performing midfielders Budzik arguably contributes more to goals then most. (Also I thought Budzik had more then 1 assist?) Now for some math Assuming Budzik continues at this rate of scoring/assisting (contributing), his total minutes per contribution can be calculated for Adrian's total playing time of 1229 mins. Budzik Total Mins = 638 Budzik Total Goals+Assists = 6 Target Total Playing Time = 1229 (It is still possible for Budzik to reach it this season) Budzik Potential Goals+Assists = x Therefore 6/638 = x/1229 --> x ≈ 20 Hence Budzik at his current rate should have 20 goals+assists by the time he has played 1229 mins. As a result (1229/20) Budzik would have around 62 mins per contribution. As a comparison, in Mooy's last season with City he had 108 mins per contribution. NB: All this data is from Transfermarkt, I know Mooy according to Fox had 15+ assists Great work My only question is that Budzinski has been playing more as a forward than a Midfielder. So how does his stats compare to the other forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 @Jovan For Strikers (Top 5 that haven't been compared yet) Marcin Budzinski: 638 mins - 5 goals - 1 assist --> 106 mins per contribution In comparison....... Bobo: 1571 mins - 18 goals - 5 assists --> 68 mins per contribution Ross McCormack: 1206 mins - 14 goals - 0 assists --> 86 mins per contribution Besart Berisha: 1523 mins - 8 goals - 2 assists --> 152 mins per contribution Massimo Maccarone: 1692 mins - 8 goals - 2 assists --> 169 mins per contribution Andrija Kaludjerovic: 1458 mins - 8 goals - 0 assists --> 182 mins per contribution Of course this does not take into account work-rate, defensive stats or chances created. But agaisnt the leagues top performing midfielders Budzik arguably contributes more to goals then most. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 IMO assists are not really a very important statistic. You can be an integral part of an attack and involved in every goal scored yet never be the player who makes the final pass. Fitzgerald was an example of this in the first half of this season - he was involved in a lot of our goals, but never/rarely the final pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 8, 2018 Report Share Posted February 8, 2018 8 hours ago, jw1739 said: IMO assists are not really a very important statistic. You can be an integral part of an attack and involved in every goal scored yet never be the player who makes the final pass. Fitzgerald was an example of this in the first half of this season - he was involved in a lot of our goals, but never/rarely the final pass. Yea I tried to make that point, hence why I think someone like Ninkovic is let down by those direct stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) How did we sign the wrong Polish bloke. Also how is Adrian under the cap? Edited February 25, 2018 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 57 minutes ago, haz said: How did we sign the wrong Polish bloke. Also how is Adrian under the cap? I'd say the same way Bruno was under cap in his first season here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, neio said: I'd say the same way Bruno was under cap in his first season here I meant more how is their squad not over the cap. He would not have beeb getting paid peanuts in Turkey and UAE in 2013, his salary was 830,000 Eur Edited February 25, 2018 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, haz said: I meant more how is their squad not over the cap. He would not have beeb getting paid peanuts in Turkey and UAE in 2013, his salary was 830,000 Eur He should've gone to Inter at his peak but he went for the oil cash and disappeared off the football map. Obviously wouldn't get paid anywhere near what he did in oil land... Hence under the cap. Edited February 26, 2018 by HeartFc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 13 hours ago, haz said: How did we sign the wrong Polish bloke. Also how is Adrian under the cap? IIRC he was signed under the cap this year, with a marquee slot for the second two years. Back ended deal as far as i was aware. I suspect one of Bobo or Ninko wont be here next year, or even Adrian if he gets bought and heads back overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 He is on about 600k Sydney has a pretty thin squad like Victory. They are both banking on minimizing injuries and the sport science/conditioning bloke who follows Arnold around is some kind of wizard. They never get injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 I have no doubts they are under cap For a start none of their players outside of first 11 would be on much at all They only have 4 visa players, and only 2 of them are in the cap Players like redmayne, o'neill and zullo were discarded by their previous club, and I can't imagine are on massive money Brosque would be on less than what he would have been on 5 years ago Wiltshire is an injury replacement player So the majority of their cap would be made up mierzejewski, buijs, Wilkinson and brillante Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 7 hours ago, neio said: I have no doubts they are under cap For a start none of their players outside of first 11 would be on much at all They only have 4 visa players, and only 2 of them are in the cap Players like redmayne, o'neill and zullo were discarded by their previous club, and I can't imagine are on massive money Brosque would be on less than what he would have been on 5 years ago Wiltshire is an injury replacement player So the majority of their cap would be made up mierzejewski, buijs, Wilkinson and brillante And the Cap will ruin it all for them, watch this offseason there will be fireworks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Dylan said: He is on about 600k Sydney has a pretty thin squad like Victory. They are both banking on minimizing injuries and the sport science/conditioning bloke who follows Arnold around is some kind of wizard. They never get injuries. Does his wand look like this - 💉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Does his wand look like this - 💉 Out of interest, do the players get drug tested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, playmaker said: Out of interest, do the players get drug tested? Absolutely they do. That said not a single Essendon player tested positive and anecdotally the two (former) elite athletes I know are both adamant that literally everyone is doping, so go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Absolutely they do. That said not a single Essendon player tested positive and anecdotally the two (former) elite athletes I know are both adamant that literally everyone is doping, so go figure. I think its a case of people doping but also more drugs being 'banned' soon enough a regular cup of coffee will be banned. But yea I think both City and Sydney would be doing some borderline sport science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, haz said: I think its a case of people doping but also more drugs being 'banned' soon enough a regular cup of coffee will be banned. But yea I think both City and Sydney would be doing some borderline sport science. In the late 80s there was an Australian cyclist who was banned for doping. He successfully challenged the ruling on the grounds that 12 cups of coffee push his levels up. So then there are guidelines as to the amount of caffeine products athletes can consume. The real issue is that the drug producers are faster than the drug detection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 For me, what has happened to Budzinski is up there with what Joyce did to Kilkenny this season. A marquee player signed on a two-year contract who can't get a start. How a marquee can ever demonstrate that he's a marquee unless he gets on the pitch is beyond me. Either Budzinski was a very poor signing, or he is another player who is being poorly managed by Joyce. What's happening at the moment is ridiculous. Surely someone's head has to roll over this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: For me, what has happened to Budzinski is up there with what Joyce did to Kilkenny this season. A marquee player signed on a two-year contract who can't get a start. How a marquee can ever demonstrate that he's a marquee unless he gets on the pitch is beyond me. Either Budzinski was a very poor signing, or he is another player who is being poorly managed by Joyce. What's happening at the moment is ridiculous. Surely someone's head has to roll over this? I think it's a but from column A and a bit from column B He isn't marquee quality, I think everyone is in agreement of that. But I agree he hasn't been given a real crack at it. He looked to hit some form when he scored a brace but then the next week you almost forgot he was playing again. Not sure where this leaves him or us for that matter as I don't believe we can go into another season with him as a marquee player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 7 hours ago, neio said: I think it's a but from column A and a bit from column B He isn't marquee quality, I think everyone is in agreement of that. But I agree he hasn't been given a real crack at it. He looked to hit some form when he scored a brace but then the next week you almost forgot he was playing again. Not sure where this leaves him or us for that matter as I don't believe we can go into another season with him as a marquee player Definitely can't keep in the Marquee bracket. Problem is he has a contract. He agreed to move over to the other side of the world and play in lets be honest a pretty weak league, why would he now agree to continue to do that, plus sit on the bench, get played as a striker or false 9 or whatever he is asked to do for less cash. Him and Joyce will be with us again next season regardless of what should happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Not even worth a Visa spot imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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