FFA Cup 2017 Qtr F V Sydney 13 Sep away

[Shahanga]

Personally I wouldn't issue warnings for people who's posts cross the boundaries of human decency but that's just my suggestion 

anyway im expecting another tough cup game seeing as we are out of season 

Edited August 10, 2017 by Shahanga

[Baka1]

Lmao at Hakoah Sydney coming into the spotlight since our draw and the Nix come out with a nazi Germany swastika-holding eagle badge

[cadete]

39 minutes ago, Baka1 said:

Lmao at Hakoah Sydney coming into the spotlight since our draw and the Nix come out with a nazi Germany swastika-holding eagle badge

Spotlight?

Sydney Hakoah has been a constant Buzz Topic on Australian Sokka Forums since before the A-League.

Of course nothing of substance is ever said - just the same reputation of crap...

[haz]

http://www.aleaguestats.com/ALeagueStats_35FFACupCrowds.html

We have the 2nd highest average FFA Cup crowds since it began. Also have the largest attendance which was the final.

[Jovan]

7 hours ago, haz said:

http://www.aleaguestats.com/ALeagueStats_35FFACupCrowds.html

We have the 2nd highest average FFA Cup crowds since it began. Also have the largest attendance which was the final.

I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. But hey we are still the Cup holders. 

[playmaker]

Tue 29 Aug 2017, 07:30PM

LEICHHARDT OVAL

 

http://www.theffacup.com.au/results#KiwPC8cbm2ScDKTR.99

[DFG_82]

3 minutes ago, strider said:

serious question

does NSW have a high jew population? what does hokoah mean? wouldn't it be better to call yourselves Jew Sydney FC?

I'm legit curious btw

Hakoah means strength common name used in clubs founded by Jewish communities ,  50,000 Jews in New South Wales out of an Australian Jewish population of 120,000

[playmaker]

17 minutes ago, strider said:

serious question

does NSW have a high jew population? what does hokoah mean? wouldn't it be better to call yourselves Jew Sydney FC?

I'm legit curious btw

This should paint a picture for you.

 

Hakoah (Hebrew: הכח‎‎) means "The Strength" and may refer to any one of these Jewish sport organizations:

• Hakoah Vienna, an athletic club in Austria that is the origin of the Hakoah name
• Hakoah Bergen County, an amateur football club in New Jersey
• Brooklyn Hakoah, a defunct football club in the United States of America
• Hakoah Berlin, a defunct football club in Berlin, Germany
• Club Náutico Hacoaj, a sport club in Argentina
• FC Hakoah, a football club in Switzerland
• Hakoah All-Stars, a defunct football club in the United States of America
• Hakoah Amidar Ramat Gan F.C., a football club in Israel
• Melbourne Hakoah, a defunct football club in Australia
• New York Hakoah, a defunct football club in the United States of America
• Hakoah Sydney City East FC a football club in Australia
• Hakoah Riga, a defunct football club in Latvia
• Hakoah Prague, a Jewish sport club in Prague
• Hakoah Centers, a defunct football club in Chicago

 

Few football clubs can lay claim to a history as successful and yet ultimately tragic as that of Hakoah Vienna. An exclusively Jewish team which enjoyed global fame for a short time before being unsentimentally dissolved by Nazi invaders, Hakoah’s history now stands as a monument to the Jewish culture which blossomed in Central Europe during the first decades of the twentieth century, only to be abominably stamped out by the forces of the Third Reich.

Founded in 1909 by world-renowned operatic lyricist Fritz Löhner and his friend Ignaz Körner, the establishment of Hakoah (meaning “strength” in Hebrew) is thought to have been inspired by the doctrine of ‘Muscular Judaism’ which was popular at the time. Introduced by the Hungarian Zionist leader Max Nordau in 1898, the doctrine encouraged Jews to strive for athletic prowess in order to extricate themselves from what he believed to be the negative stereotype of the “weak intellectual”.

Hakoah – a multi-sport club which also fielded sides in hockey, swimming and athletics – quickly became a social and sporting centre for the Viennese Jewish community, the football team rising to prominence in 1922 as it finished second in the Austrian league. However, Hakoah didn’t focus primarily on their domestic competition, the club taking the decision to become a nomadic team during the off-seasons in a style we might now associate with the Harlem Globetrotters.

In 1923, with a young centre-half by the name of Belá Guttmann on their books, Hakoah travelled to London on a short tour which saw them take on a number of clubs from the English capital. Arguably the team’s most historic result came against West Ham United at Upton Park, Hakoah running out 5-1 winners against a reportedly weakened Hammers side to become the first foreign team to defeat an English club on home soil. It was to be a result which paved the way to a period of great domestic success.

Between 1924 and 1926 the Viennese club won consecutive Austrian titles and began to attract the very best Jewish footballers from across Europe. Internationals such as Max Gold, Max Grünwald and József Eisenhoffer all helped Hakoah on its way to serial triumphs, the team becoming one of the most famous on the continent in the process. Indeed, in 1926 the club was in a position to be able to afford a tour of the United States, its appearances in New York drawing large crowds of enthusiastic supporters.

Many of the players were so taken with the Eastern Seaboard and the friendly reception that they had received there that they decided to stay. Anti-Semitic sentiment had been building in Europe during the 1920s, and it must have been refreshing for the players to play their football somewhere which wasn’t so quick to judge them for their Jewish connections. Several players, including Guttmann himself, joined the local club Brooklyn Wanderers, while others decided to form their very own team, New York Hakoah. The Austrians may have helped to spark interest in the game in the United States, but the loss of their most talented players to the clubs of New York meant that Hakoah struggled to compete domestically throughout the rest of its existence.

Tragically, 1938 spelled the end for Hakoah, the club being forcibly closed down by the Nazis following the unification of Germany and Austria in the Anschluss. With the club’s Prater Park ground having been commandeered by the German army, Hakoah’s founder Fritz Löhner was just one of many people connected to the team to be arrested and transferred to a concentration camp. Originally sent to Dachau in the April of 1938, Löhner was moved to Buchenwald that autumn as the true horrors of the Final Solution began to be revealed.

It was while incarcerated at Buchenwald that Löhner used his gift for music to write Das Buchenwaldied, the song which became the anthem of many of the prisoners there. In 1942 the man who had founded the great Hakoah Vienna and done so much to bring the Jewish community of the city together was taken to Monowitz camp, a part of the Auschwitz complex, and is appallingly thought to have been beaten to death on the 4th December that same year.

Like so many other pillars of Jewish culture, Hakoah had been devastatingly ripped apart by Nazi barbarism during the Second World War, its history and the happiness it had brought to so many lost in an ocean of thoughtless murder.

The club briefly reformed in 1945, survivors of the war and those who had gone into hiding returning to re-establish Hakoah in the Austrian Second Division. However, for reasons that are not entirely clear, the club became defunct in 1949 and has not returned to the professional game since.

That said, Hakoah was revived in 2008 under the name Maccabi Wien after a Jewish community centre built on the site of the old football ground established its own amateur team. Now playing in the lower reaches of the Austrian football pyramid, Hakoah Vienna may never make a full return, but Maccabi Wien is a lasting reminder of the rich history, great success and unspeakable loss of its predecessor.

 

Edited August 11, 2017 by playmaker

[bt50]

16 minutes ago, playmaker said:

This should paint a picture for you.

 

Hakoah (Hebrew: הכח‎‎) means "The Strength" and may refer to any one of these Jewish sport organizations:

• Hakoah Vienna, an athletic club in Austria that is the origin of the Hakoah name
• Hakoah Bergen County, an amateur football club in New Jersey
• Brooklyn Hakoah, a defunct football club in the United States of America
• Hakoah Berlin, a defunct football club in Berlin, Germany
• Club Náutico Hacoaj, a sport club in Argentina
• FC Hakoah, a football club in Switzerland
• Hakoah All-Stars, a defunct football club in the United States of America
• Hakoah Amidar Ramat Gan F.C., a football club in Israel
• Melbourne Hakoah, a defunct football club in Australia
• New York Hakoah, a defunct football club in the United States of America
• Hakoah Sydney City East FC a football club in Australia
• Hakoah Riga, a defunct football club in Latvia
• Hakoah Prague, a Jewish sport club in Prague
• Hakoah Centers, a defunct football club in Chicago

 

Few football clubs can lay claim to a history as successful and yet ultimately tragic as that of Hakoah Vienna. An exclusively Jewish team which enjoyed global fame for a short time before being unsentimentally dissolved by Nazi invaders, Hakoah’s history now stands as a monument to the Jewish culture which blossomed in Central Europe during the first decades of the twentieth century, only to be abominably stamped out by the forces of the Third Reich.

Founded in 1909 by world-renowned operatic lyricist Fritz Löhner and his friend Ignaz Körner, the establishment of Hakoah (meaning “strength” in Hebrew) is thought to have been inspired by the doctrine of ‘Muscular Judaism’ which was popular at the time. Introduced by the Hungarian Zionist leader Max Nordau in 1898, the doctrine encouraged Jews to strive for athletic prowess in order to extricate themselves from what he believed to be the negative stereotype of the “weak intellectual”.

Hakoah – a multi-sport club which also fielded sides in hockey, swimming and athletics – quickly became a social and sporting centre for the Viennese Jewish community, the football team rising to prominence in 1922 as it finished second in the Austrian league. However, Hakoah didn’t focus primarily on their domestic competition, the club taking the decision to become a nomadic team during the off-seasons in a style we might now associate with the Harlem Globetrotters.

In 1923, with a young centre-half by the name of Belá Guttmann on their books, Hakoah travelled to London on a short tour which saw them take on a number of clubs from the English capital. Arguably the team’s most historic result came against West Ham United at Upton Park, Hakoah running out 5-1 winners against a reportedly weakened Hammers side to become the first foreign team to defeat an English club on home soil. It was to be a result which paved the way to a period of great domestic success.

Between 1924 and 1926 the Viennese club won consecutive Austrian titles and began to attract the very best Jewish footballers from across Europe. Internationals such as Max Gold, Max Grünwald and József Eisenhoffer all helped Hakoah on its way to serial triumphs, the team becoming one of the most famous on the continent in the process. Indeed, in 1926 the club was in a position to be able to afford a tour of the United States, its appearances in New York drawing large crowds of enthusiastic supporters.

Many of the players were so taken with the Eastern Seaboard and the friendly reception that they had received there that they decided to stay. Anti-Semitic sentiment had been building in Europe during the 1920s, and it must have been refreshing for the players to play their football somewhere which wasn’t so quick to judge them for their Jewish connections. Several players, including Guttmann himself, joined the local club Brooklyn Wanderers, while others decided to form their very own team, New York Hakoah. The Austrians may have helped to spark interest in the game in the United States, but the loss of their most talented players to the clubs of New York meant that Hakoah struggled to compete domestically throughout the rest of its existence.

Tragically, 1938 spelled the end for Hakoah, the club being forcibly closed down by the Nazis following the unification of Germany and Austria in the Anschluss. With the club’s Prater Park ground having been commandeered by the German army, Hakoah’s founder Fritz Löhner was just one of many people connected to the team to be arrested and transferred to a concentration camp. Originally sent to Dachau in the April of 1938, Löhner was moved to Buchenwald that autumn as the true horrors of the Final Solution began to be revealed.

It was while incarcerated at Buchenwald that Löhner used his gift for music to write Das Buchenwaldied, the song which became the anthem of many of the prisoners there. In 1942 the man who had founded the great Hakoah Vienna and done so much to bring the Jewish community of the city together was taken to Monowitz camp, a part of the Auschwitz complex, and is appallingly thought to have been beaten to death on the 4th December that same year.

Like so many other pillars of Jewish culture, Hakoah had been devastatingly ripped apart by Nazi barbarism during the Second World War, its history and the happiness it had brought to so many lost in an ocean of thoughtless murder.

The club briefly reformed in 1945, survivors of the war and those who had gone into hiding returning to re-establish Hakoah in the Austrian Second Division. However, for reasons that are not entirely clear, the club became defunct in 1949 and has not returned to the professional game since.

That said, Hakoah was revived in 2008 under the name Maccabi Wien after a Jewish community centre built on the site of the old football ground established its own amateur team. Now playing in the lower reaches of the Austrian football pyramid, Hakoah Vienna may never make a full return, but Maccabi Wien is a lasting reminder of the rich history, great success and unspeakable loss of its predecessor.

 

[Dylan]

this is why we can't have old ethnic clubs in the Aleague

[DFG_82]

19 minutes ago, Dylan said:

this is why we can't have old ethnic clubs in the Aleague

Particularly if they are Greek. 

[Jovan]

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

this is why we can't have old ethnic clubs in the Aleague

Why?

[strider]

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

this is why we can't have old ethnic clubs in the Aleague

why not? everyone is racist/religist to some degree tbh 

also thanks @playmaker

Edited August 11, 2017 by strider

[kingofhearts]

and here we go again....

[Hellenic Hero]

Aren't Hakoah also called Maccabi or something? What does Maccabi mean?

[neio]

7 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said:

Aren't Hakoah also called Maccabi or something? What does Maccabi mean?

That James Troisi will hold up your scarf 

[thisphantomfortress]

Strider has been banned, if you wanna learn use Google.

[fensaddler]

1 hour ago, thisphantomfortress said:

Strider has been banned, if you wanna learn use Google.

Playmaker's answer was mint.  And now I know where Bela got his handle.

[japiedog]

2 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said:

Strider has been banned, if you wanna learn use Google.

c'mon

 

[Dylan]

On 11/08/2017 at 5:26 PM, strider said:

why not? everyone is racist/religist to some degree tbh 

also thanks @playmaker

Because we are going to have pages and pages of crap said

[thisphantomfortress]

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

Because we are going to have pages and pages of crap said

Literally did not care what was said, everyone had been told move it elsewhere. This is a football thread say what you like in the club room but we need to stay on topic. 

Might try and organise a work trip the week of this game. 

[Harrison]

Hakoah lost yesterday in the last round of the NSW NPL season and finished 8th/12 teams. Second-lowest for goals scored in the division. Defensively they are a bit better but this should be straightforward. 

[fensaddler]

2 hours ago, Harrison said:

Hakoah lost yesterday in the last round of the NSW NPL season and finished 8th/12 teams. Second-lowest for goals scored in the division. Defensively they are a bit better but this should be straightforward. 

As a British raised football fan, I'd counsel considerable caution.  I've seen enough cup upsets over the years to know that the biggest enemy, every time, is complacency.  The team that thinks, even subconsciously, that a tie against lower league opposition is going to be easy is the team that loses, and loses face.  In the end it's eleven blokes against eleven blokes, and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  They will give us a red hot going over unless we are fully up for it.

[rass]

3 minutes ago, fensaddler said:

As a British raised football fan, I'd counsel considerable caution.  I've seen enough cup upsets over the years to know that the biggest enemy, every time, is complacency.  The team that thinks, even subconsciously, that a tie against lower league opposition is going to be easy is the team that loses, and loses face.  In the end it's eleven blokes against eleven blokes, and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  They will give us a red hot going over unless we are fully up for it.

Exactly.... and if they are going so sh1te in the NPL, you can guarantee that all their focus will be on this match. They'll be up for it.

[jw1739]

36 minutes ago, fensaddler said:

As a British raised football fan, I'd counsel considerable caution.  I've seen enough cup upsets over the years to know that the biggest enemy, every time, is complacency.  The team that thinks, even subconsciously, that a tie against lower league opposition is going to be easy is the team that loses, and loses face.  In the end it's eleven blokes against eleven blokes, and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  They will give us a red hot going over unless we are fully up for it.

Absolutely. Complacency would be our worst enemy. Did I mention this before? Wazza was captain of Preston North End when they were dumped out of the FA Cup by non-league Whitley Bay. He knows what this is all about and will prepare the boys accordingly.

[Tommykins]

13 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

Absolutely. Complacency would be our worst enemy. Did I mention this before? Wazza was captain of Preston North End when they were dumped out of the FA Cup by non-league Whitley Bay. He knows what this is all about and will prepare the boys accordingly.

Getting slightly off topic and very much on the outskirts of my knowledge of lower league English football, but PNE would have nearly been non-league then, no? While I entirely take your point, there might have only been a few leagues between them.

As always, without Football Manager to check these things I'm basically guessing.

[Harrison]

48 minutes ago, fensaddler said:

As a British raised football fan, I'd counsel considerable caution.  I've seen enough cup upsets over the years to know that the biggest enemy, every time, is complacency.  The team that thinks, even subconsciously, that a tie against lower league opposition is going to be easy is the team that loses, and loses face.  In the end it's eleven blokes against eleven blokes, and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.  They will give us a red hot going over unless we are fully up for it.

Hence the 'should'. I'd be a bit more concerned if we were up against APIA Leichhardt or Blacktown, but Hakoah are a few classes below them.

We need to approach it with the right mindset, and I'm pretty confident Joyce will be able to do that.

[jw1739]

17 minutes ago, Tommykins said:

Getting slightly off topic and very much on the outskirts of my knowledge of lower league English football, but PNE would have nearly been non-league then, no? While I entirely take your point, there might have only been a few leagues between them.

As always, without Football Manager to check these things I'm basically guessing.

PNE were in the Football League 3rd Division then. Video of the match here: 

 

Whitley Bay were in the lower Division of the  HFS Loans League ( called "First"), now the Northern Premier League.

[fensaddler]

2 hours ago, jw1739 said:

PNE were in the Football League 3rd Division then. Video of the match here: 

 

Whitley Bay were in the lower Division of the  HFS Loans League ( called "First"), now the Northern Premier League.

So depending on how long ago it was, there would have been two or three tiers between them.  It's a gap that can be bridged, and is every year, in a few ties in the UK cup comps.  Probably about the same gap in class as between us and Hakoah. We need to be up for it.  I'm sure Wazza will make sure that we are.

[Baka1]

5-0 win. Laters

[Forever City]

Squad vs Hakoah.

Melbourne City FC: Dean BOUZANIS, Manny MUSCAT, Scott JAMIESON, Bart SCHENKEVELD, Osama MALIK, Nick FITZGERALD, Neil KILKENNY, Bruce KAMAU, Braedyn CROWLEY, Stefan MAUK, Daniel ARZANI, Denis GENREAU, Eugene GALEKOVIC, Ruon TONGYIK, Michael JAKOBSEN, Bruno FORNAROLI, Luke BRATTAN, Dylan PIERIAS, Ramy NAJJARINE

 

The Bouzanis Derby  

[haz]

39 minutes ago, Forever City said:

Squad vs Hakoah.

Melbourne City FC: Dean BOUZANIS, Manny MUSCAT, Scott JAMIESON, Bart SCHENKEVELD, Osama MALIK, Nick FITZGERALD, Neil KILKENNY, Bruce KAMAU, Braedyn CROWLEY, Stefan MAUK, Daniel ARZANI, Denis GENREAU, Eugene GALEKOVIC, Ruon TONGYIK, Michael JAKOBSEN, Bruno FORNAROLI, Luke BRATTAN, Dylan PIERIAS, Ramy NAJJARINE

 

The Bouzanis Derby  

No goals to be scored agasint us with Bort and Jako partnership.

 

Also great work by the club signing La Rocca

Edited August 28, 2017 by haz

[Dylan]

Where's Carusca?

[haz]

38 minutes ago, Forever City said:

Squad vs Hakoah.

Melbourne City FC: Dean BOUZANIS, Manny MUSCAT, Scott JAMIESON, Bart SCHENKEVELD, Osama MALIK, Nick FITZGERALD, Neil KILKENNY, Bruce KAMAU, Braedyn CROWLEY, Stefan MAUK, Daniel ARZANI, Denis GENREAU, Eugene GALEKOVIC, Ruon TONGYIK, Michael JAKOBSEN, Bruno FORNAROLI, Luke BRATTAN, Dylan PIERIAS, Ramy NAJJARINE

 

The Bouzanis Derby  

My XI:

------------------Galekovic-----------------

Pierias----Bort----Jako----Jamieson

-------------------Kilkenny--------------------

---------------Mauk-------Brattan--------------

Fitz--------------Fornaroli-----------Arzani

 

Wazza's XI:

------------------Bouzanis-----------------

Bort----Tongyik----Jako----Jamieson

--------------Kilkenny---Malik-------------------

------------------Brattan/Mauk-------------------

Fitz--------------Fornaroli-----------Kamau

[rass]

1 hour ago, haz said:

Also great work by the club signing La Rocca

Watched him training the other day. He can't be far away.

[haz]

4 minutes ago, rass said:

Watched him training the other day. He can't be far away.

So 1 week to a Germano until he returns you think?

[neio]

1 hour ago, Forever City said:

Squad vs Hakoah.

Melbourne City FC: Dean BOUZANIS, Manny MUSCAT, Scott JAMIESON, Bart SCHENKEVELD, Osama MALIK, Nick FITZGERALD, Neil KILKENNY, Bruce KAMAU, Braedyn CROWLEY, Stefan MAUK, Daniel ARZANI, Denis GENREAU, Eugene GALEKOVIC, Ruon TONGYIK, Michael JAKOBSEN, Bruno FORNAROLI, Luke BRATTAN, Dylan PIERIAS, Ramy NAJJARINE

 

The Bouzanis Derby  

Where did you get that squad from?

Cause this is one I've seen 

 

Melbourne City FC squad: 1.Dean Bouzanis (GK), 2.Emmanuel Muscat, 3.Scott Jamieson, 5. Bart Schenkeveld, 6.Osama Malik, 7.Nick Fitzgerald, 8.Neil Kilkenny, 11.Bruce Kamau, 12.Braedyn Crowley, 13.Stefan Mauk, 14.Daniel Arzani, 15.Denis Genreau, 18.Eugene Galekovic (GK), 21.Ruon Tongyik, 22.Michael Jakobsen, 23.Bruno Fornaroli Mezza, 25.Iacopo La Rocca, 26.Luke Brattan, 35.Ramy Najjarine, 36.Dylan Pierias, 37.Nathaniel Atkinson, 38. Joshua Cavallo, 40.Yaren Sozer (GK), 42. James Delianov (GK)
 

[IssySG]

Aren't they funny

[haz]

22 minutes ago, neio said:

Where did you get that squad from?

Cause this is one I've seen 

 

Melbourne City FC squad: 1.Dean Bouzanis (GK), 2.Emmanuel Muscat, 3.Scott Jamieson, 5. Bart Schenkeveld, 6.Osama Malik, 7.Nick Fitzgerald, 8.Neil Kilkenny, 11.Bruce Kamau, 12.Braedyn Crowley, 13.Stefan Mauk, 14.Daniel Arzani, 15.Denis Genreau, 18.Eugene Galekovic (GK), 21.Ruon Tongyik, 22.Michael Jakobsen, 23.Bruno Fornaroli Mezza, 25.Iacopo La Rocca, 26.Luke Brattan, 35.Ramy Najjarine, 36.Dylan Pierias, 37.Nathaniel Atkinson, 38. Joshua Cavallo, 40.Yaren Sozer (GK), 42. James Delianov (GK)
 

I think thats just our whole squad currently. No way would we be bringing 4 keepers

[Forever City]

24 minutes ago, neio said:

Where did you get that squad from?

Cause this is one I've seen 

 

Melbourne City FC squad: 1.Dean Bouzanis (GK), 2.Emmanuel Muscat, 3.Scott Jamieson, 5. Bart Schenkeveld, 6.Osama Malik, 7.Nick Fitzgerald, 8.Neil Kilkenny, 11.Bruce Kamau, 12.Braedyn Crowley, 13.Stefan Mauk, 14.Daniel Arzani, 15.Denis Genreau, 18.Eugene Galekovic (GK), 21.Ruon Tongyik, 22.Michael Jakobsen, 23.Bruno Fornaroli Mezza, 25.Iacopo La Rocca, 26.Luke Brattan, 35.Ramy Najjarine, 36.Dylan Pierias, 37.Nathaniel Atkinson, 38. Joshua Cavallo, 40.Yaren Sozer (GK), 42. James Delianov (GK)
 

From the club website.

http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/article/team-news-city-set-for-round-of-16/1rc7tvr1w04us16nmhjn26avp6