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jeffplz    805

The only rule is, an agreement must be reached by one party.

 

Convince me otherwise: AFL is an un-appealing sport to attend, is more plastic than the A-league and doesn't deserve the funding and recognition it receives.

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First off love the concept. 

The afl is an exceptionally entertaining sporting spectacle. Today's freo an tigers game is an example of this. Richmond were in the lead after basically not showing up for three quarters only to lose it at the death. The ability for the unexpected is higher than most games.

in terms of "plasticness" these are some of the oldes football clubs of any code in the world. Essendon collingwood and Carlton have storied pasts as rich as any sporting team in the world 

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jw1739    6,991

I feel the AFL doesn't quite have the connection that it had in the past. Factors for me are spreading the weekend's fixtures over several days (bring me back the old radio commentary of one match and the frequent "round the grounds" up-dates from the others), the creation of the new clubs, and the move away from the suburban grounds.

I'm not really an AFL person, but I'm less interested than I was in the past.

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GreenSeater    2,690

The AFL is trying too hard to Americanise itself and become more of a gimmicky spectacle than it used to be. It should stick to its traditions more imo. My biggest pet peve is the constant rule changes. This being said I still have to disagree with you. I went to the Essendon vs Geelong game last night and it was a great evening. Two traditionally big clubs fighting it out at one of the best stadiums in the world in front of a big and passionate crowd. Definitely not unappealing. Are you a Collingwood fan by any chance as that would explain the lack of enthusiasm for attending games.

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kingofhearts    3,271

Convince me Melbourne city aren't always going to be shit during the regular season and i'm not wasting my time/money in supporting this club.

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jeffplz    805
26 minutes ago, GreenSeater said:

The AFL is trying too hard to Americanise itself and become more of a gimmicky spectacle than it used to be. It should stick to its traditions more imo. My biggest pet peve is the constant rule changes. This being said I still have to disagree with you. I went to the Essendon vs Geelong game last night and it was a great evening. Two traditionally big clubs fighting it out at one of the best stadiums in the world in front of a big and passionate crowd. Definitely not unappealing. Are you a Collingwood fan by any chance as that would explain the lack of enthusiasm for attending games.

Man I was born and raised a Collingwood fan, lost my interest hard after the Buckley era. 

 

1 hour ago, thisphantomfortress said:

First off love the concept. 

The afl is an exceptionally entertaining sporting spectacle. Today's freo an tigers game is an example of this. Richmond were in the lead after basically not showing up for three quarters only to lose it at the death. The ability for the unexpected is higher than most games.

in terms of "plasticness" these are some of the oldes football clubs of any code in the world. Essendon collingwood and Carlton have storied pasts as rich as any sporting team in the world 

I can acknowledge the history behind the existing clubs and concede the point about being unappealing, true, I maybe watch too little to judge. I still think its current marketing and commercialisation attempts are cringeworthy

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n i k o    4,823
12 minutes ago, kingofhearts said:

Convince me Melbourne city aren't always going to be shit during the regular season and i'm not wasting my time/money in supporting this club.

Silly post. No one will ever convince anyone here of that. 

Next. 

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mattyh001    399
4 minutes ago, jeffplz said:

Man I was born and raised a Collingwood fan, lost my interest hard after the Buckley era

 

I can acknowledge the history behind the existing clubs and concede the point about being unappealing, true, I maybe watch too little to judge. I still think its current marketing and commercialisation attempts are cringeworthy

After?!? Stickler for wording but isn't he the current coach so there by isn't "after" a bit premature ....... 

Back on topic, sport is sport; people love sports they grew up with (either as kids or as adults) predominantly thru the blood, sweat and tears invested thereby creating an continually draining emotional closed loop / endless cycle.

Being a country boy growing up, I can understand the draw; mates play (thereby AFL is common talking point) and the / a local team goes hand in hand with what's going on in my community.

At the national level it's similar but on a grander scale.

To put things another way, who in their right mind (assuming people can be objective), would constantly sign up to City given how shite we've been at various stages - particularly if you don't get football? I know part of it for me is the blood, sweat and tears, as well as the many mates I can catch up with for a beer

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Tesla    8,097

This thread is just another reincarnation of UOTYH, TTIM, and TTDIM (which are all really the same thing as I've previously stated). It'd basically the opposite of the I Wonder thread, which is the passive aggressive version of those threads, and this is now the all out aggressive version. 

Convince me otherwise. 

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jeffplz    805
1 minute ago, Tesla said:

This thread is just another reincarnation of UOTYH, TTIM, and TTDIM (which are all really the same thing as I've previously stated). It'd basically the opposite of the I Wonder thread, which is the passive aggressive version of those threads, and this is now the all out aggressive version. 

Convince me otherwise. 

This has a defined goal which is for debate and discussion, unlike the rest of the threads you mentioned which are pretty much facebook-tier thoughts and diary entries

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jeffplz    805
3 minutes ago, Tesla said:

The earth is round, convince me otherwise. 

Can someone ban this guy?

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n i k o    4,823
10 minutes ago, jeffplz said:

This has a defined goal which is for debate and discussion, unlike the rest of the threads you mentioned which are pretty much facebook-tier thoughts and diary entries

Good effort. Only took one post. 

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strider    2,394
5 hours ago, Tesla said:

The earth is round, convince me otherwise. 

u fukn wot m8??

 

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9 hours ago, Tesla said:

This thread is just another reincarnation of UOTYH, TTIM, and TTDIM (which are all really the same thing as I've previously stated). It'd basically the opposite of the I Wonder thread, which is the passive aggressive version of those threads, and this is now the all out aggressive version. 

Convince me otherwise. 

While I agree to an extent, I think this opens up more of a one way dialogue than the above mentioned threads. What I like about this one is that the OP is admitting they are open to have their mind changed (a rare thing in these parts)

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hedaik    2,630
11 hours ago, jeffplz said:

more plastic than the A-league

There's a number of things I find cringeworthy about ALeague fans. One of them being the amount of supporters of 10 year old clubs that were created from a report having an obsession of calling everything 'plastic'. (Especially when Melbourne City are the most 'plastic'/ manufactured of them all) 

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cadete    6,068

Why doesn't someone convince me that Crowd Behaviour (in particular violence) is worse/just as bad at the AFL/Cricket as it is in the A-League... I would like to hear that argument.

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cadete    6,068
2 minutes ago, cadete said:

Why doesn't someone convince me that Crowd Behaviour (in particular violence) is worse/just as bad at the AFL/Cricket as it is in the A-League... I would like to hear that argument.

1 minute ago, Hellenic Hero said:

Convince me otherwise: The A League would be nothing without it's support groups.

Um what is a "Support Group" and what does it have to do with Crowd Behaviour and Violence?

 

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Hellenic Hero    197
1 minute ago, cadete said:

Um what is a "Support Group" and what does it have to do with Crowd Behaviour and Violence?

 

What did I say that had anything to do with Crowd Behaviour? I wasn't referring to your post, I was stating another topic.

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n i k o    4,823
11 minutes ago, cadete said:

Why doesn't someone convince me that Crowd Behaviour (in particular violence) is worse/just as bad at the AFL/Cricket as it is in the A-League... I would like to hear that argument.

 

I can't be fucked going into it so I'll just put my simplified opinion here.

Amongst active support? No comparison. Aleague hands down worse. 

Amongst regular supporters? No comparison. AFL and cricket hands down worse. 

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cadete    6,068
16 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said:

What did I say that had anything to do with Crowd Behaviour? I wasn't referring to your post, I was stating another topic.

Because you said this...

21 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said:

Convince me otherwise: The A League would be nothing without it's support groups.

Also FWIW I think the League would be a lot better if certain MV Groups did not exist and probably at least one that supports City.

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Hellenic Hero    197
4 minutes ago, cadete said:

Because you said this...

Also FWIW I think the League would be a lot better if certain MV Groups did not exist and probably at least one that supports City.

That's probably true- but what would you take on the whole? 

The active support with these groups or no active support in the first place?

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cadete    6,068
22 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said:

That's probably true- but what would you take on the whole? 

The active support with these groups or no active support in the first place?

The second... and I dont think you have any real understanding of who these groups are and how the behave - in particular those at MV.

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Hellenic Hero    197
43 minutes ago, cadete said:

The second... and I dont think you have any real understanding of who these groups are and how the behave - in particular those at MV.

Haha does reading ultras tifo count? I think I have a fair understanding from it, and I'm sure they do a lot of horrific shit I don't know about. What about the Melburnians? Do their subgroups get up to a lot of bad shit compared to the Tards?

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cadete    6,068
12 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said:

Haha does reading ultras tifo count? I think I have a fair understanding from it, and I'm sure they do a lot of horrific shit I don't know about. What about the Melburnians? Do their subgroups get up to a lot of bad shit compared to the Tards?

Stop posting... also I dont keep up with what happens in this space anymore.

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15 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said:

Haha does reading ultras tifo count? I think I have a fair understanding from it, and I'm sure they do a lot of horrific shit I don't know about. What about the Melburnians? Do their subgroups get up to a lot of bad shit compared to the Tards?

Short answer - no.

Long answer - no, not even close.

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Hellenic Hero    197
37 minutes ago, n i k o said:

Majority of Hellenic Heros posts are purely for trolling purposes. Convince me otherwise. 

I'm just a curious person.

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mattyh001    399

The A League All Stars should return with a 3-4 game fixture list every July/August to cover and promote the game across the major Australian capitals before AFL / NRL finals start, and the final series is one of the best things (if not the best thing) going for the A League. Convince me otherwise.

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Jovan    2,979
11 minutes ago, mattyh001 said:

The A League All Stars should return with a 3-4 game fixture list every July/August to cover and promote the game across the major Australian capitals before AFL / NRL finals start, and the final series is one of the best things (if not the best thing) going for the A League. Convince me otherwise.

Its hard enough to attract attention for final series that actually mean something let alone a series that means nothing with average at best players that are playing in meaningless games.

World class players have been coming out for a while now and even still fail to capture alot of attention. 

Convinced? 

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cadete    6,068
10 minutes ago, Jovan said:

Its hard enough to attract attention for final series that actually mean something let alone a series that means nothing with average at best players that are playing in meaningless games.

World class players have been coming out for a while now and even still fail to capture alot of attention. 

Convinced? 

Clearly you were not there for Melbourne's YNWA Moment... 

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Jovan    2,979
2 minutes ago, cadete said:

Clearly you were not there for Melbourne's YNWA Moment... 

Actually I was.

And to this day I don't get the big deal. They pumped the song over the P.A and most just sang along. It wasn't like it was a spontaneous outpouring of a favourite song sung by diehards that it meant something to.

I am a massive sucker for these exhibition games and always say that's it I'm not going again but inevitably end up going.

At this point in time still not going to any games this year but will probably go in the end 

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mattyh001    399
10 minutes ago, Jovan said:

Its hard enough to attract attention for final series that actually mean something let alone a series that means nothing with average at best players that are playing in meaningless games.

World class players have been coming out for a while now and even still fail to capture alot of attention. 

Convinced? 

 

4 minutes ago, Jovan said:

Actually I was.

And to this day I don't get the big deal. They pumped the song over the P.A and most just sang along. It wasn't like it was a spontaneous outpouring of a favourite song sung by diehards that it meant something to.

I am a massive sucker for these exhibition games and always say that's it I'm not going again but inevitably end up going.

At this point in time still not going to any games this year but will probably go in the end 

Somewhat, particularly when teams come here for one off games and the fact the tickets are over priced and poorly scheduled (something that could be said aboutthe most recent finals series).

It just seems like a lost opportunity.  Thinking back to the first time the International Champions Cup was played in Melbourne and the last time Liverpool toured, the market seems there. 

Just gotta get the teams right and pricing better.

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cadete    6,068
2 minutes ago, Jovan said:

Actually I was.

And to this day I don't get the big deal. They pumped the song over the P.A and most just sang along. It wasn't like it was a spontaneous outpouring of a favourite song sung by diehards that it meant something to.

I am a massive sucker for these exhibition games and always say that's it I'm not going again but inevitably end up going.

At this point in time still not going to any games this year but will probably go in the end 

I was being sarcastic... I was there too, the song was a joke, and the match had less atmosphere than a Moreland Zebras game hence why I left the match twenty minutes to go.

It was also rather ironic to see a large section of the MCG called "The Kop" which seemed to largely consist of PPL not even from Anglo Backgrounds let alone being anything remotely similar to the real Scousers I have meet/know.

 

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Jovan    2,979
7 minutes ago, mattyh001 said:

 

Somewhat, particularly when teams come here for one off games and the fact the tickets are over priced and poorly scheduled (something that could be said aboutthe most recent finals series).

It just seems like a lost opportunity.  Thinking back to the first time the International Champions Cup was played in Melbourne and the last time Liverpool toured, the market seems there. 

Just gotta get the teams right and pricing better.

They have been trying for over 50 years. Every few years and recently every year it seems someone thinks they can do it better.

These exhibition games are exactly that.

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Hellenic Hero    197
41 minutes ago, cadete said:

I was being sarcastic... I was there too, the song was a joke, and the match had less atmosphere than a Moreland Zebras game hence why I left the match twenty minutes to go.

It was also rather ironic to see a large section of the MCG called "The Kop" which seemed to largely consist of PPL not even from Anglo Backgrounds let alone being anything remotely similar to the real Scousers I have meet/know.

 

Haha really? Were they even chanting?

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jw1739    6,991
2 hours ago, mattyh001 said:

Somewhat, particularly when teams come here for one off games and the fact the tickets are over priced and poorly scheduled (something that could be said aboutthe most recent finals series).

It just seems like a lost opportunity.  Thinking back to the first time the International Champions Cup was played in Melbourne and the last time Liverpool toured, the market seems there. 

Just gotta get the teams right and pricing better.

Seems any big sporting event or tournament will draw big crowds in Melbourne. The problem seems to me to be that the interest in these events just does not rub off on to the local version of the sport in question. Just as an example, the tennis courts at my local park are busy when the Open is in town and for a week or two thereafter, but deserted for the remainder of the year.

Whether you love or hate the exhibition football matches cum international challenge cups etc. (I hate them) they will draw good crowds but I very much doubt that the local game receives any sustained boost from them.

That said, IMO City Football Group could do a lot more for the growth of Melbourne City by bringing other clubs in the CFG stable to Melbourne and making entry to those matches free for members (or at the very least a very nominal entrance fee). To bring Manchester City here for a competition and then play us on the Gold Coast was an insult to the members here - and I don't care who was responsible for that, it was unforgiveable.

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