Warren Joyce. As predicted by Serb Hair Dresser.. Goneski

[Shahanga]

Any day now I’m going to wake up come out of the shower and say to Mrs S “I had the weirdest dream about CFG signing some 11 behind the ball hack coach from the UK”

[rayv36]

CFG need to take notice of the Nix and even CCM last night. The difference a good manager makes to an average team is massive. 

[CityBoyz]

This win vs Sydney means we will go on our min JVS winning streak now which inevitably means a week 1 finals exit. 

[NewConvert]

5 hours ago, CityBoyz said:

This win vs Sydney means we will go on our min JVS winning streak now which inevitably means a week 1 finals exit. 

There are five rounds left of which we play WSW, BR and CCM. The other two are AU and WP. The Jets have a tougher run home, four points in front and we are +3 GD. I can't see how City can miss the finals.

[moops]

I can't see him given an extension, even the commentators and media are giving us stick, it's not a good look. 

[rayv36]

1 hour ago, moops said:

I can't see him given an extension, even the commentators and media are giving us stick, it's not a good look. 

Wazza literally has no support other then CFG and the ‘players’. 

[moops]

52 minutes ago, rayv36 said:

Wazza literally has no support other then CFG and the ‘players’. 

'players', I agree, no one has left because of him at all. 

[bt50]

26 minutes ago, moops said:

'players', I agree, no one has left because of him at all. 

Tbf i think its quite arguable that only Kilkenny has...

Obv difficult to know exactly as we dont know exactly what went down in each case.

[bt50]

Anyways whilst we're on Joyce, i'm fully prepared to have another dig at him over what happened last night following the Jamo injury. 4 fucking CB's. I know it came off in the end but Jesus Christ, this defensive sub mindset is mind numbing, esp when there's plenty of options on the bench.

I've often defended some of the off field things with him as i think he has a reasonable defence in many of them, but the total lack of desire to chase a result does my head in.

TLDR: Horrible game day coach.

[jw1739]

6 minutes ago, bt50 said:

Tbf i think its quite arguable that only Kilkenny has...

Obv difficult to know exactly as we dont know exactly what went down in each case.

True. There are always two parties involved in any interpersonal relationship. And Joyce is not the only person in the the staff out there at Bundoora. But I'd say that whatever the truth is behind each of the departures, there have been too many over the past two seasons for comfort.

[Harrison]

1 hour ago, bt50 said:

Anyways whilst we're on Joyce, i'm fully prepared to have another dig at him over what happened last night following the Jamo injury. 4 fucking CB's. I know it came off in the end...

I can’t believe it actually worked.

Five defenders and two defensive midfielders for the entire match and we still managed to put two past them.

But it doesn’t work very often. It’s far too defensive and we can’t really afford to concede. 

At least we had everyone in their best positions last night. That was the most refreshing thing, aside from winning. 

[bt50]

6 minutes ago, Harrison said:

I can’t believe it actually worked.

Five defenders and two defensive midfielders for the entire match and we still managed to put two past them.

But it doesn’t work very often. It’s far too defensive and we can’t really afford to concede. 

At least we had everyone in their best positions last night. That was the most refreshing thing, aside from winning. 

IMO it worked because Sydney didnt approach us like every one else normally does ; let us have the ball and mope around with it until we get too advanced and get peeled open on an error. Instead they just tried to play normally, which allowed us to sit back somewhat and actually hit on the counter for a change.

[Jovan]

9 minutes ago, Harrison said:

I can’t believe it actually worked.

Five defenders and two defensive midfielders for the entire match and we still managed to put two past them.

But it doesn’t work very often. It’s far too defensive and we can’t really afford to concede. 

At least we had everyone in their best positions last night. That was the most refreshing thing, aside from winning. 

We all now know that this approach is going to continue minimum 5 weeks.

Every time this bloke gets a lucky break he continues it until he realizes he was just lucky. Jakobsen as a midfielder and De Laet as the #9, and a couple other times I can't recall exact details. 

So get ready for 8 behind the ball(including the keeper) till finals.

 

[jw1739]

2 hours ago, bt50 said:

TLDR: Horrible game day coach.

Does a coach like Warren Joyce have a a role as an assistant coach, working under a strong leader Manager? He's "famous" for his statement along the lines of "if you intend to spend all day in the jacuzzi you won't make it as a professional footballer." So I wonder whether he would be OK as a specialist coach for 18-22-y-o players who start to get more interested in their hairstyles rather than their skills and fitness?

I agree with you that he's far too defensive for the senior coach role. 

[Harrison]

6 minutes ago, Jovan said:

We all now know that this approach is going to continue minimum 5 weeks.

I don't mind it. 

Like I said, everyone looked a lot more comfortable in their role and we beat a team that has consistently made us look poor. 

A 3-5-2 is fine provided the players suit the system. 

The biggest issue is how the three central defenders operate as a unit and deal with opposition forwards. We saw this reflected in the first shaky 15 minutes but our defenders eventually figured it out. 

It's also quite a complex formation and it requires a lot of organisational discipline and good positional sense.

However, if you get it right it gives you width and control in the middle, and it gives you enough coverage defensively but you still have two dedicated strikers. 

[rass]

4 minutes ago, Harrison said:

I don't mind it. 

Like I said, everyone looked a lot more comfortable in their role and we beat a team that has consistently made us look poor. 

A 3-5-2 is fine provided the players suit the system. 

The biggest issue is how the three central defenders operate as a unit and deal with opposition forwards. We saw this reflected in the first shaky 15 minutes but our defenders eventually figured it out. 

It's also quite a complex formation and it requires a lot of organisational discipline and good positional sense.

However, if you get it right it gives you width and control in the middle, and it gives you enough coverage defensively but you still have two dedicated strikers. 

Yeah I didn't mind it too but obviously something we really need to be careful with. It was very obvious last night, and I think Slater in the commentary picked up on it too, that De Laet was drifting far too centrally. At times, it left us very exposed on that flank. Looked much better when he kept that width.

I think it's also a bit make shift with Jamo going down, i.e. Delbo as that wingback but it came off last night.

The other issue with that last night was there was no real CAM/#10 link up with Maclaren and Harrison. Brattan tries, but he often drifts too deep. Left big holes for us moving forward.

[Shahanga]

4 minutes ago, rass said:

Yeah I didn't mind it too but obviously something we really need to be careful with. It was very obvious last night, and I think Slater in the commentary picked up on it too, that De Laet was drifting far too centrally. At times, it left us very exposed on that flank. Looked much better when he kept that width.

I think it's also a bit make shift with Jamo going down, i.e. Delbo as that wingback but it came off last night.

The other issue with that last night was there was no real CAM/#10 link up with Maclaren and Harrison. Brattan tries, but he often drifts too deep. Left big holes for us moving forward.

Bratts drifts deep because Wazza likes to play 2 No’s 6s and a No 8. The names might change but not the style.

The consequence is as you say is tight as a drum in defence and no link forward in attack.

[Harrison]

5 minutes ago, rass said:

The other issue with that last night was there was no real CAM/#10 link up with Maclaren and Harrison. Brattan tries, but he often drifts too deep. Left big holes for us moving forward.

It's the biggest issue for us and I'm not sure how we fix it.

I don't know what it is with Luke. He has all the tools but is far too inconsistent. He also seems to get into little niggles all the time and it probably distracts him.

The answer could be Vidosic, Berenguer or even Metcalfe. But I can't really see Joyce letting anyone play that role. 

[rass]

4 minutes ago, Harrison said:

It's the biggest issue for us and I'm not sure how we fix it.

I don't know what it is with Luke. He has all the tools but is far too inconsistent. He also seems to get into little niggles all the time and it probably distracts him.

The answer could be Vidosic, Berenguer or even Metcalfe. But I can't really see Joyce letting anyone play that role. 

In all honesty, I don't think we have the right person for that specialised position. Vidosic in his peak maybe, McGree with more maturity???, I don't know. We all keep crapping on about it, but gosh we desperately need a true #10.

9 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

Bratts drifts deep because Wazza likes to play 2 No’s 6s and a No 8. The names might change but not the style.

The consequence is as you say is tight as a drum in defence and no link forward in attack.

It certainly looks that way but I don't think it is actually quite that clear cut. Especially in that formation, you have to know what you're doing position wise - and as i alluded to above, i don't know if our players actually know how to play that position properly. I actually think Joyce would prefer us to get forward more than we do in that scenario, but our lads tend to default on the defensive side. In the end though, he is responsible for that and all the make shift position changes for players won't fix that.

[Harrison]

The heat and touch maps for last night are interesting.

Baccus was the most advanced midfielder on average and the majority of our attacks went down that right-side channel where he and De Laet were playing. 

But it's clear that Griffiths played as the single pivot (and did it brilliantly) and Baccus and Brattan were the box-to-box CMs on the right and left channel respectively. 

As a midfield three it's probably a bit too defensive but if we used an actual CAM then we'd have to change the system again to accommodate that role and I can't see it happening.

[bt50]

1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

Does a coach like Warren Joyce have a a role as an assistant coach, working under a strong leader Manager? He's "famous" for his statement along the lines of "if you intend to spend all day in the jacuzzi you won't make it as a professional footballer." So I wonder whether he would be OK as a specialist coach for 18-22-y-o players who start to get more interested in their hairstyles rather than their skills and fitness?

I agree with you that he's far too defensive for the senior coach role. 

I'd have him as our youth/npl coach in a heartbeat. That team doesnt need to win any fans with its style. It needs to prepare players for first team football.
I dont think he's up to it as a senior squad manager, mostly due to his tactical and style approach.

[Dylan]

Is wazza making the traditional JVS end of season win streak to save his job?

Is wazza making the traditional JVS end of season win streak to save his job?

[bt50]

41 minutes ago, Dylan said:

Is wazza making the traditional JVS end of season win streak to save his job?

Is wazza making the traditional JVS end of season win streak to save his job?

Rehashing my opinion here, but unless he qualifies for the ACL noone can save him imo.

[jw1739]

33 minutes ago, bt50 said:

Rehashing my opinion here, but unless he qualifies for the ACL noone can save him imo.

The ACL is a huge task from here, but not many thought that we would get any points at all from the past three games. On the day we have got 5, and it was only howlers from Galekovic that cost us points and we could have had 7 or even all 9 and been sitting in 4th place right now.

It's now clear that Joyce will see out his contract, but I'm not sure that even qualifying for the ACL would see him granted an extension. Qualifying from here is a bit of a lottery, and IMO our CFG bosses would want us to qualify easily rather than just fall over the the line at a last gasp.

[Jovan]

12 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

The ACL is a huge task from here, but not many thought that we would get any points at all from the past three games. On the day we have got 5, and it was only howlers from Galekovic that cost us points and we could have had 7 or even all 9 and been sitting in 4th place right now.

It's now clear that Joyce will see out his contract, but I'm not sure that even qualifying for the ACL would see him granted an extension. Qualifying from here is a bit of a lottery, and IMO our CFG bosses would want us to qualify easily rather than just fall over the the line at a last gasp.

But in all fairness last season we were extremely "unlucky" not to qualify, added to that a good run in and some big final wins then I'm not so sure Wazza is gonovic. 

[bt50]

3 hours ago, jw1739 said:

The ACL is a huge task from here, but not many thought that we would get any points at all from the past three games. On the day we have got 5, and it was only howlers from Galekovic that cost us points and we could have had 7 or even all 9 and been sitting in 4th place right now.

It's now clear that Joyce will see out his contract, but I'm not sure that even qualifying for the ACL would see him granted an extension. Qualifying from here is a bit of a lottery, and IMO our CFG bosses would want us to qualify easily rather than just fall over the the line at a last gasp.

For the record i think the chance of us qualifying for the ACL is bordering on 0. Perhaps a 1% chance at best.
Even if we took all 15 points on offer to finish the season, we'd need the mongs or Syd to drop 3 of 5. It's highly unlikely.
The other method is via winning the GF, the more likely of the two, and imo we, and the gaffer, simply arent good enough. But hey if we somehow pulled that off, then who could hold it against him haha

[Originalmeme]

8 hours ago, Shahanga said:

Bratts drifts deep because Wazza likes to play 2 No’s 6s and a No 8. The names might change but not the style.

The consequence is as you say is tight as a drum in defence and no link forward in attack.

its so hard to work out who should be our midfield three.  I desperately want Mcgree as the 10, brattan as the 8 but then who do you Bench?

Rostyn is my ideal dm, big guy who plays the pivot and wins heaps of balls.  But on the other hand, Baccus is a downright amazing technically (95% of the time) - he plays like a futsal player. holds the ball well and actually not bad in the tackle.  But I go back to rostyn because hes just a classic dm.  

Brattan has to start for obvious reasons.  But he cannot fill the advanced midfield role, that is just not his game. We can all see that, he would rather pickup the ball deeper and hes not mobile enough to play in the 10 role.

I feel like we would lose something benching Baccus (and i bet joyce rates him).  Mcgree has the talent and flair to be our 10, given freedom.  

And if we keep this 3-5-2, I dont see Mcgree getting a start, perhaps he is better to be subbed at 60 mins.  But Joyce has a terrible history with subs.

I hope metcalfe breaks through, by the sounds of it, one day he could be a Baccus/ Rostyn combined player (I remember playing against him when he was the shortest kid on the field, now hes 6ft or so) if he keeps developing.  

Good signs overall, but still so many issues going forward

[jw1739]

12 hours ago, bt50 said:

For the record i think the chance of us qualifying for the ACL is bordering on 0. Perhaps a 1% chance at best.
Even if we took all 15 points on offer to finish the season, we'd need the mongs or Syd to drop 3 of 5. It's highly unlikely.
The other method is via winning the GF, the more likely of the two, and imo we, and the gaffer, simply arent good enough. But hey if we somehow pulled that off, then who could hold it against him haha

I was referring only to our chances of getting to the GF. If we finish in the six then it's really a three-match lottery where anything can happen. As we saw last season - a freak goal and a stupid pass out of defence and suddenly the GF had eluded us.

[XxCiTySeNxX]

Carlton losing again. This is because of Joyce. JOYCE OUT

[Originalmeme]

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/warren-joyce-linked-to-manchester-united-reunion-with-ole-gunnar-/pxlw572xz4jm1pnzyd8z4frh9

big if true

[Dylan]

3 minutes ago, Originalmeme said:

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/warren-joyce-linked-to-manchester-united-reunion-with-ole-gunnar-/pxlw572xz4jm1pnzyd8z4frh9

big if true

I doubt it’s going to be him who makes the decision. 

[jw1739]

12 minutes ago, Originalmeme said:

https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/warren-joyce-linked-to-manchester-united-reunion-with-ole-gunnar-/pxlw572xz4jm1pnzyd8z4frh9

big if true

Let us all hope that there is something in this and that it happens.

[Shahanga]

This would be a great move for City and a great move for Liverpool. A win/win.

when can he start? Will take the day off to drive him to the airport.

[HEARTinator]

On 22/03/2019 at 3:01 PM, jw1739 said:

Let us all hope that there is something in this and that it happens.

From the article

"Interestingly, Joyce's family remain in the UK, making a return to Manchester even more tempting should the offer be made." 

And

“I worked with him and it was the hardest training sessions and the hardest days you can ever imagine,” Solskjaer said.

We hear you Ole. Wazza's best trait is as an enforcer at midweek training. That's what he excels at but not as a head coach/game day gaffer. CFG saddled us with a knob of a head coach on the basis that we needed cultural change. We could have got that and the chance to win silverware had we appointed, say, Popovic. We need to be run by local management not by out of touch suits at HQ 10,000 kms away.

[haz]

12 hours ago, HEARTinator said:

From the article

"Interestingly, Joyce's family remain in the UK, making a return to Manchester even more tempting should the offer be made." 

And

“I worked with him and it was the hardest training sessions and the hardest days you can ever imagine,” Solskjaer said.

We hear you Ole. Wazza's best trait is as an enforcer at midweek training. That's what he excels at but not as a head coach/game day gaffer. CFG saddled us with a knob of a head coach on the basis that we needed cultural change. We could have got that and the chance to win silverware had we appointed, say, Popovic. We need to be run by local management not by out of touch suits at HQ 10,000 kms away.

I really hope someone within CFG is kicking themselves that they had a chance to get Popovic.... doubt it though

[Imtellingyou]

Still here?

[belaguttman]

On 24/03/2019 at 9:19 AM, HEARTinator said:

From the article

"Interestingly, Joyce's family remain in the UK, making a return to Manchester even more tempting should the offer be made." 

And

“I worked with him and it was the hardest training sessions and the hardest days you can ever imagine,” Solskjaer said.

We hear you Ole. Wazza's best trait is as an enforcer at midweek training. That's what he excels at but not as a head coach/game day gaffer. CFG saddled us with a knob of a head coach on the basis that we needed cultural change. We could have got that and the chance to win silverware had we appointed, say, Popovic. We need to be run by local management not by out of touch suits at HQ 10,000 kms away.

The problem is that our poor season has been framed as 'the inevitable cost of cultural change' as if you can't change the culture and perform well on the pitch at the same time.

Cultural change is about performing well on the pitch, so I can't see how Joyce could even claim success at 'cultural change'.

Edited March 25, 2019 by belaguttman

[JMSTEP123]

23 minutes ago, belaguttman said:

The problem is that our poor season has been framed as 'the inevitable cost of cultural change' as if you can't change the culture and perform well on the pitch at the same time.

Cultural change is about performing well on the pitch, so I can't see how Joyce could even claim success at 'cultural change'.

You know what. This is fucking it. Fires me up. Spot on.

[KSK_47]

7 hours ago, belaguttman said:

 

Cultural change is about performing well on the pitch, so I can't see how Joyce could even claim success at 'cultural change'.

Change doesn't always mean for the better lol

[citypool]

Should change the title to Joyce here now and forever