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Warren Joyce admits goal-shy Melbourne City are ‘crying out for a forward’

 

Melbourne City’s chances of bolstering their A-League attack are fading as the close of the January transfer window approaches.

City put in a typically miserly performance in keeping ladder leaders Perth Glory to a 0-0 draw at AAMI Park on Saturday night.

But they were unable to generate a single shot on target for the entire match.

With Golden Boot winner Bruno Fornaroli still firmly out of favour and fellow striker Dario Vidosic sidelined with a back injury, coach Warren Joyce has been forced to get creative in search of goals.

Defender Ritchie de Laet has been redeployed in attack with reasonable effect, but despite their recent run of good results City have managed just 17 goals from 14 games.

City have conceded the least amount of goals in the league (12), but coach Warren Joyce knows he needs to sharpen his attack.

However, he can’t see it happening during this transfer window.

“There’s a limited budget available to try and bring a player in,” Joyce said.

“Obviously during this period you’re crying out for a forward — that’s obvious.

“The lads who have played there have done tremendously well for the team … but they need a bit of help and they deserve a bit of help.

“But you’ve got to look longer term as well as short term because with the salary cap you can end up in a fix.”
Rostyn Griffiths
Melbourne City have only scored 17 goals in 14 A-League games this season.

City’s busy schedule continues on Tuesday night when they host Western Sydney Wanderers.

Midfielder Osama Malik is a chance to return from injury for that clash, but Vidosic remains doubtful.

“With backs it’s hard to say … he’s not looking in great shape at the minute,” Joyce said.

“He certainly wasn’t [on Friday]. He was trying to run but he’s crooked … he’s had some injections and they’re just trying to settle it down.

“It came at a time when he was playing well. He’s an experienced player who can handle the ball and maybe do something in the last third to create or score so it’s disappointing to lose him.”

https://sportsaroundtheworld.info/2019/01/20/warren-joyce-admits-goal-shy-melbourne-city-are-crying-out-for-a-forward/

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36 minutes ago, playmaker said:

 

However, he can’t see it happening during this transfer window.

 

That line in the article is a total misrepresentation of what he says. He highlights the difficulty of getting players and their conditions at this time of the year, and notes that the preferred players generally dont tend to become available until late in the window. At no point does he say, or even infer, that he can't see any players being signed. Link as below.

https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/video/wj-presser-21-01-19

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8 minutes ago, bt50 said:

That line in the article is a total misrepresentation of what he says. He highlights the difficulty of getting players and their conditions at this time of the year, and notes that the preferred players generally dont tend to become available until late in the window. At no point does he say, or even infer, that he can't see any players being signed. Link as below.

https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/video/wj-presser-21-01-19

I gave up watching that after about 6 minutes, because I can't hear what the questions are that are being answered, and then e-mailed the club pleading for them to get a roving microphone  so that we can hear both Q and A.

If that's what he does say, then that agrees with my own information. I'm given to understand that most of the deals in the mid-season window take place on the last day and even only minutes before the window closes.

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11 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

I gave up watching that after about 6 minutes, because I can't hear what the questions are that are being answered, and then e-mailed the club pleading for them to get a roving microphone  so that we can hear both Q and A.

If that's what he does say, then that agrees with my own information. I'm given to understand that most of the deals in the mid-season window take place on the last day and even only minutes before the window closes.

Think its the lot of most clubs that can't afford/don't pay transfer fees.

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18 minutes ago, citypool said:

Should we give credit to Joyce for playing da leat as a striker 

Yes but worth remembering the following:

* He chose not to sign a back up striker

* he ostracised the best striker in the league 

on top of that it’s also worth noting he signed 4 guys who’s best position is #10 and yet is currently playing a 5th in that position 

we started the season with one experienced specialist winger who the coach wouldn’t play and has now fucked off.

 

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21 minutes ago, Harrison said:

Does a 4th place finish and reaching the semi final give WJ another year? 

Or is Asia the only thing that saves him? 

Asia and/or GF appearance i think. But who knows, the club have clearly backed him on his culture wars with Bruno so they may feel he's enacting exactly what they want in terms of setting us up for the long term.

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1 hour ago, bt50 said:

Asia and/or GF appearance i think. But who knows, the club have clearly backed him on his culture wars with Bruno so they may feel he's enacting exactly what they want in terms of setting us up for the long term.

I'm thinking your later scenario. 

Without saying it publicly I reckon this seasons finished position has no bearing on Joyce's future. I kind off think what goes on pre and post game will be more of what is important. 

If they wanted results and potential silverware O'halloran and Fornoroli would be playing or at the very least like for like replacements would be in by now. 

This next 10 days or so will say a lot of what sort of direction they are planning and also what likelihood Joyce will remain.

Very interesting times next few weeks. 

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No doubt CFG are playing the long game.

Do they tolerate 'failure' whilst WJ institutes his cultural change process?

The league is undergoing structural change as we speak and we might see an independent, cap-free league from next season (unlikely but possible).

In that context, failure this season is tolerable because the club and its culture will be stronger and more unified going into the new A-League era.

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15 minutes ago, Jovan said:

I'm thinking your later scenario. 

Without saying it publicly I reckon this seasons finished position has no bearing on Joyce's future. I kind off think what goes on pre and post game will be more of what is important. 

If they wanted results and potential silverware O'halloran and Fornoroli would be playing or at the very least like for like replacements would be in by now. 

This next 10 days or so will say a lot of what sort of direction they are planning and also what likelihood Joyce will remain.

Very interesting times next few weeks. 

Hmm im not sure i totally agree, i think the situation is probably somewhat fluid. I def don't think our season petering out will see him reappointed unless there are some clear and obvious improvements they can point to. The club will be fully aware that the fans are restless and if they can't pin their hopes on something material it would be a hammer blow to the club for next season and into the future. I think Joyce has to achieve Asia or a GF appearance, and if he doesnt, there has to be something else seriously compelling for the club to reappoint him. 

And in terms of the window, i tend to think if what they'd wanted in replacements were available straight away they would have gotten it done, however the nature of the game means that the best players dont usually come up until right before the deadline unless you are prepared to pay a transfer fee.
Agree that the next two weeks will be very telling anyway.

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1 hour ago, Jovan said:

I'm thinking your later scenario. 

Without saying it publicly I reckon this seasons finished position has no bearing on Joyce's future. I kind off think what goes on pre and post game will be more of what is important. 

If they wanted results and potential silverware O'halloran and Fornoroli would be playing or at the very least like for like replacements would be in by now. 

This next 10 days or so will say a lot of what sort of direction they are planning and also what likelihood Joyce will remain.

Very interesting times next few weeks. 

If that was the case then you have to assume the club is 100% in control of every one of those situations. To me it sounds more like they are in less control than the situation itself. Both Bruno and OHalloran seem to be predominantly responsible for not playing and finding the right replacements for them is further out of the clubs control given the timing of the transfer window. So I don't think those examples can be any indication that the club don't want results or potential silverware. 

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2 hours ago, bt50 said:

Hmm im not sure i totally agree, i think the situation is probably somewhat fluid. I def don't think our season petering out will see him reappointed unless there are some clear and obvious improvements they can point to. The club will be fully aware that the fans are restless and if they can't pin their hopes on something material it would be a hammer blow to the club for next season and into the future. I think Joyce has to achieve Asia or a GF appearance, and if he doesnt, there has to be something else seriously compelling for the club to reappoint him. 

And in terms of the window, i tend to think if what they'd wanted in replacements were available straight away they would have gotten it done, however the nature of the game means that the best players dont usually come up until right before the deadline unless you are prepared to pay a transfer fee.
Agree that the next two weeks will be very telling anyway.

It's all going to depend on what criteria were set for the club for the duration of Joyce's two seasons. If those criteria are only for what goes on on the pitch then I can see Joyce not being re-appointed at the end of this season if we don't make the Asian Champions League. But if there is fallout from the Fornaroli Affair, more want-away players, and in the light of both falling memberships and falling attendances, then I think it would unfair just to terminate Joyce and not start to question others in the management hierarchy.

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19 minutes ago, Tony999 said:

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Pedestrian. Actually stationary, the bloke never got off the bench.

What a complete fuck nugget. 

Kilkenny didn't play under Joyce(Maybe a few minutes) Under JVS and that other dude the previous season he was our player of the year. 

Just wrong.

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13 hours ago, Shahanga said:

This bloke hasn’t been able to be shown on the big screen at AAMI for 2 months due to the boos.

but don’t worry CFG, the way you are going there soon won’t be anyone at the ground to do the booing.

The guy is one of the most deluded pricks to ever grace a football field!!! 

Go get Rudan now!!!! 

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1 minute ago, HughJass said:

Wonder if we will chase Marco Kurz as rumors he is leaving due to lack of investment and 2 clubs interested in him

Decision will be made in Manchester, not here. That's the problem. So we're more likely to get someone "personally known" to Marwood.

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4 hours ago, Tony999 said:

ot a bad pick but I still find it astonishing with the network CFG have we look for recycled goods within Oz.

Think the main thing is Kurz knows the salary cap which I think affects overseas coaches as going from basically getting rid of anyone you want to this mess of releasing players if they want etc etc 

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Warren Joyce’s future to be decided in next few months as Melbourne City’s signings debut

Melbourne City coach Warren Joyce sweated during the January transfer window and he should be cut some slack after his two prized recruits were only signed in the dying hours of deadline day.

But any respite for Joyce, whose contract expires this May, will quickly evaporate if City loses Saturday’s crucial clash with Adelaide United.

There is a heavy burden on Socceroos striker Jamie Maclaren and Tottenham youth product Shayon Harrison to hit the ground running from their debuts.

 

Joyce’s future will be decided over the next three months and 10-13 games, depending on how far City go in the finals series.

It’s understood that Joyce’s targets are to finish inside the top three, in other words qualify for the Asian Champions League.

A win over Adelaide still leaves City with a mountain to climb to make the top three.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/melbourne-city/warren-joyces-future-to-be-decided-in-next-few-months-as-melbourne-citys-signings-debut/news-story/cd5ef03cf061ee4cd28b6292a37c3a88

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1 hour ago, Jovan said:

If this was minutely close to being the truth then it has just made my day.

He he zero chance of making top 3.

We would need to win 3 more games than Sydney or Victory in the last 10. 

Arithmetically possible, but almost no chance of making the top 3. Even assuming Sydney and Victory lose a little form, we would have to win at least 8 out of the last 10, and score a lot more regularly than we have done to date, to get past one of them. And looking at the fixture I agree that that is just not going to happen.

If top 3 is indeed the criterion, then Joyce might as well start packing now and let Kisnorbo and Vidmar see what they can do in the remainder of the season.

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Utter pi$$weak 'leak' by the club.

He is obviously gone, no club in their right mind could continue with this clown, however clearly we havnt got the balls to make the statement and sack him.

He will be 'mutually terminated' or he will 'return for personal/family reasons' blah blah after he doesnt  reach this 'target' we have no hope of reaching.

Just sack him NOW and be done with it. He has had the two of the poorest seasons in this league's history (is there even a good team this season?) and he has just made a mockery of the club and of the sport. Dead set you'd rather stick needles in your eyes before watching us for a full 90.

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