Warren Joyce. As predicted by Serb Hair Dresser.. Goneski

[JMSTEP123]

1 minute ago, playmaker said:

If anyone had half a brain at our club they would be pissing off Joyce and a quarter of our list and actually getting players that we need in the January transfer. Maybe just maybe we can turn this around

Yeah true. 

Fuck I miss JVS

[fensaddler]

I think the most interesting thing here is that commentators are having the discussion. Something will happen. 

[Thrillhouse]

the bloke's an idiot and is definitely not here to produce an attractive brand. 
one of the members at home games last season said he talked to petrillo about signings, mate said how can we fit in all these players and keep them happy, he said something along the lines of if they're not happy then they're free to go, scary as Kilkenny and Cahill both left last season after breakdowns 

[AXIOM]

Isn't Vidmar second in charge. He might be the replacement if Joyce gets the flick. 

[Jovan]

The list is fine. We have enough good players to win the League. 

I think there is still time over the next 3 or 4 games to replace Joyce and get in a proper manager but I have zero confidence that will happen. 

I expect another huge culling in January that will include Brattan and Bruno some new players come in we get a few results make the semi's then ultimately loose.

After close to 40 games this bloke is not suited to this job and if upper management can't see this then we are in for many seasons of pain.

[Dylan]

11 minutes ago, Jovan said:

The list is fine. We have enough good players to win the League. 

I think there is still time over the next 3 or 4 games to replace Joyce and get in a proper manager but I have zero confidence that will happen. 

I expect another huge culling in January that will include Brattan and Bruno some new players come in we get a few results make the semi's then ultimately loose.

After close to 40 games this bloke is not suited to this job and if upper management can't see this then we are in for many seasons of pain.

If this doesnt pan out exactly how you described, I would be shocked haha.

I think one of the downsides of City is that we have a tiny supporter base and most of them seemed to have become very nonchalant so its almost impossible for the supporters to apply pressure. All I can see them doing is yelling on the internet.  It allows the higher ups to ignore and get away with it.

[n i k o]

13 hours ago, Inchcolm said:

Only stipulation is keep possession. He loves to win that stat more than winning the game

Interesting stipulation considering the thought that when the fuck does an English coach ever place possession as the priority lol 

More than likely a CFG prerequisite than anything else. 

[playmaker]

57 minutes ago, Dylan said:

I think one of the downsides of City is that we have a tiny supporter base and most of them seemed to have become very nonchalant so its almost impossible for the supporters to apply pressure. All I can see them doing is yelling on the internet.  It allows the higher ups to ignore and get away with it.

Disagree.

If the supporters at the game protested and chanted and booed to the effect of wazza out etc, then there would be enough pressure from the media coverage alone.

 

[jw1739]

11 hours ago, Mr MO said:

Are you kidding? Even you or I would be an improvement. We have to get rid of this crazy school teacher, times is up no more excuses. You could see it coming they way the squad was put together, completely ignoring the forward line.

Last season was already extremely frustrating to watch and with his dumb substitutions, credit was given for not having his own picked team - this season time is up!

I agree that I would be an improvement but I'm not sure about you...

But seriously, apart from a period at Brisbane, Vidosic has moved rather frequently and I don't trust him to bring any stability to our club. And I don't think it's a good situation to have father and son at the same club.

Plus the fact that his only real stint as a manager was at Brisbane following the departure of Postecoglou, and in total he's coached for 12 A-League matches for just 3 wins. For me that's not a good enough track record for someone to get us out of the mire.

IMO we desperately need someone who's actually got managerial runs on the board, knows how to deal with adults, and is a stabilising influence on the club. At the moment, we are in an unstable shambles once again, with a manager who's flip-flopping from one set of selection criteria to another.

[n i k o]

1 hour ago, Jovan said:

The list is fine. We have enough good players to win the League. 

I respectfully disagree with this Jovan. 

Delbridge at centre back  

Berenguer as both an attacking mid and winger

Wales as a winger 

Atkinson as a winger 

Da Laet as our marquee at right back

Imo we are 5 starting players short of a team that could win the league (could even nitpick a couple of other starting players in our line up as well) Considering there are 11 players on the pitch that's a big gap in quality. 

[mjake1234]

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

If this doesnt pan out exactly how you described, I would be shocked haha.

I think one of the downsides of City is that we have a tiny supporter base and most of them seemed to have become very nonchalant so its almost impossible for the supporters to apply pressure. All I can see them doing is yelling on the internet.  It allows the higher ups to ignore and get away with it.

Disagree. You have three options.

1. Be vocal at the games or

2. Vote with your feet and don't attend or

3. Cancel your membership

I am at the second level and not far of the third. After two years of depression this year has produced disinterest. No fun, no flair, no entertainment. I would rather go out to dinner.

[jw1739]

I think we're a bit short of a winning squad, especially in the forwards, but I'll bet Victory would be showing a lot more determination and grit if they had the squad and not us. Our main weakness is we've got no fight and no determination to win. Look at Perth last night - a goal in the last minute of injury time to take the points - that's not the sort of club we are and ought to be.

We're unlucky with the loss of O'Halloran, and Good could easily replace  Delbridge in the line up. And I don't understand why Griffiths is being overlooked.

IMO we should be in the top four.

Edited November 25, 2018 by jw1739

[belaguttman]

42 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

 Our main weakness is we've got no fight and no determination to win.

 

...and nothing has really changed in that area since the formation of the men's team. That's the most discouraging and dispiriting part

[rass]

1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

I agree that I would be an improvement but I'm not sure about you...

But seriously, apart from a period at Brisbane, Vidosic has moved rather frequently and I don't trust him to bring any stability to our club. And I don't think it's a good situation to have father and son at the same club.

Plus the fact that his only real stint as a manager was at Brisbane following the departure of Postecoglou, and in total he's coached for 12 A-League matches for just 3 wins. For me that's not a good enough track record for someone to get us out of the mire.

IMO we desperately need someone who's actually got managerial runs on the board, knows how to deal with adults, and is a stabilising influence on the club. At the moment, we are in an unstable shambles once again, with a manager who's flip-flopping from one set of selection criteria to another.

This worries me too. Add Kalac into the mix and I have really begun to fear that our club is fast becoming a bit of a dumping ground or merry-go-round for these average 'coaches'...

[jw1739]

3 hours ago, Dylan said:

If this doesnt pan out exactly how you described, I would be shocked haha.

I think one of the downsides of City is that we have a tiny supporter base and most of them seemed to have become very nonchalant so its almost impossible for the supporters to apply pressure. All I can see them doing is yelling on the internet.  It allows the higher ups to ignore and get away with it.

Even if we could apply pressure I don't think our owner cares a shit about what supporters think or do. If they did CFG would have acted long ago.

[neio]

Our squad isn't good enough, Perth are the league leaders at the moment and how many of our players would start for them next week? 

DeLaet for franjic - Schenkeveld for mrcela possibly mcgree for chianese and that could be about it

Thats where we are at

[HEARTinator]

Fortunately wasn’t able to watch the dribble so saved my head going ape-sh!t. Popa has taken over the Glory, built a squad and so far looking good. In second season of Wazza we have barely an attack and Bruno gets sidelined. FMD this is comedy capers. At this point in time the Christmas Derby looks entirely missable.

[Jovan]

38 minutes ago, neio said:

Our squad isn't good enough, Perth are the league leaders at the moment and how many of our players would start for them next week? 

DeLaet for franjic - Schenkeveld for mrcela possibly mcgree for chianese and that could be about it

Thats where we are at

I don't buy that argument. Its not the players. We have a deep squad all quality. Even this narrative developing about no strikers is flawed. Bruno is still the best #9 in the League. Vidosic is good quality second striker and can lead the line or play wide. 

If Poppa was our coach would we be playing the way we are?

[n i k o]

8 minutes ago, Jovan said:

I don't buy that argument. Its not the players. We have a deep squad all quality. Even this narrative developing about no strikers is flawed. Bruno is still the best #9 in the League. Vidosic is good quality second striker and can lead the line or play wide. 

If Poppa was our coach would we be playing the way we are?

A question, does our squad of players suit the style of football were playing? Granted they're all quality to an extent. But do we have players with enough individual quality that can break down defences? 

 

Note: This is more the line of thinking I was coming from when I disagreed with you about our players in the other post. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by n i k o

[HEARTinator]

7 minutes ago, Jovan said:

I don't buy that argument. Its not the players. We have a deep squad all quality. Even this narrative developing about no strikers is flawed. Bruno is still the best #9 in the League. Vidosic is good quality second striker and can lead the line or play wide. 

If Poppa was our coach would we be playing the way we are?

If Popa was our coach we’d be on top of the ladder. We have a dud coach. An earnest trier but not a championship winner.

[bt50]

https://dailyfootballshow.com/questions-abound-at-city-following-bruno-benching/

This is absolutely bang on the money.

[rass]

12 minutes ago, n i k o said:

A question, does our squad of players suit the style of football were playing? Granted they're all quality to an extent. But do we have players with enough individual quality that can break down defences? 

Remember the old footy cards which had some players position as 'Utility'?

I reckon he's just built a squad full of utilities, all capable of pretty much playing anywhere, without having any specific position specialists, with the exception of maybe one or two.

Having that flexibility and filling up with gun juniors sounds good on the one hand, but I think this approach is fast becoming a train wreck. To my eye, the players looked genuinely confused on Saturday night and pretty much then played without any real structure.

[belaguttman]

18 minutes ago, rass said:

Remember the old footy cards which had some players position as 'Utility'?

I reckon he's just built a squad full of utilities, all capable of pretty much playing anywhere, without having any specific position specialists, with the exception of maybe one or two.

Having that flexibility and filling up with gun juniors sounds good on the one hand, but I think this approach is fast becoming a train wreck. To my eye, the players looked genuinely confused on Saturday night and pretty much then played without any real structure.

Confused, because half of them were playing out of their preferred position.

Confused, because they are being asked to persist with a game plan that fails against all but the weakest teams.

[Torn Asunder]

There is every chance he has lost the dressing room.

It was good when he came in and ripped out the soft underbelly of the playing group and tore it to shreds ... the club needed that, but it cant be an ongoing tactic in this league.  

If Joyce is too demanding of the players every time they train, he will suck the life out of the group, and the squad will be split,with those that are trying to take their chance (and they will do exactly what he wants) vs those that are established and want to enjoy their career as a footballer.    

His style does work well with players trying to break through, those seeking a second chance, and young players trying to establish themselves.  But players that know they are good enough should not be constantly punished, and required to prove themselves 100% of the time.  A balance is needed and an astute level of man management required to get the best out of a team, and Joyce seems like he is too far to one side to have any level of sustained success.

It doesn't seem he can change his style, which means the playing group will have trouble recovering ... the guys did not look like they were enjoying themselves at all on Saturday night.  They were playing with out any passion, it was more like hopeless desperation and fear.

I was really hoping it would work with Joyce, but it hasn't, and I doubt it will.  

The club cannot expect the fans to be happy with Bruno being isolated ... I was prepared to accept him being dropped if the reasons were sound but Wazza's explanation was disrespectful to Melbourne City supporters, who deserve better from the club.

Unless there is some genuine and honest messages coming from the club about the team, Bruno and Joyce, then Joyce must be finished and sacked immediately.

 

 

 

[Forever City]

Joyce got rid of:

Brandan

Carrusca 

And now he has beef with Bruno.

Joyce = rasict towards south Americans.

[xXCiTyZeNXx]

Out of all the managers we have had. Who is least shit.

[jw1739]

17 minutes ago, xXCiTyZeNXx said:

Out of all the managers we have had. Who is least shit.

JvS won us our only trophy. He did appear to have problems the first time around - for example with Simon Colosimo - but overall I'd say he's the best we've had.

How do people think Joe Palatsides would go, even if only as a temporary coach?

[playmaker]

33 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

How do people think Joe Palatsides would go, even if only as a temporary coach?

I would give Kisnorbo the role and see how he goes. He has proven in his playing career to be  a good leader of men, a tough hard player and has a good grasp on tactics.

 

[citypool]

Kisnorbo must be next in line he did a great job with the women then got promoted to assistant coach 

[belaguttman]

25 minutes ago, playmaker said:

I would give Kisnorbo the role and see how he goes. He has proven in his playing career to be  a good leader of men, a tough hard player and has a good grasp on tactics.

 

No, we need a good coach with a proven record. We've never had one

Just now, citypool said:

Kisnorbo must be next in line he did a great job with the women then got promoted to assistant coach 

In that case, give the job to Jess Fishlock!

[Heart of Melbourne]

Kisnorbo is clueless. No thanks 

[CityBoyz]

Kewell as Manager with Kisnorbo assistant. Teach them what it means to wear a city shirt and play some watchable football. 

 

Players respect Kisnorbo always run to him to celebrate goals. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by CityBoyz

[playmaker]

Dave Davutovic on Wazza/Forns stand off

From 1.00 minute on

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=306579

 

 

[haz]

I vote for Goatlock as manager!

8 hours ago, jw1739 said:

I agree that I would be an improvement but I'm not sure about you...

But seriously, apart from a period at Brisbane, Vidosic has moved rather frequently and I don't trust him to bring any stability to our club. And I don't think it's a good situation to have father and son at the same club.

Plus the fact that his only real stint as a manager was at Brisbane following the departure of Postecoglou, and in total he's coached for 12 A-League matches for just 3 wins. For me that's not a good enough track record for someone to get us out of the mire.

IMO we desperately need someone who's actually got managerial runs on the board, knows how to deal with adults, and is a stabilising influence on the club. At the moment, we are in an unstable shambles once again, with a manager who's flip-flopping from one set of selection criteria to another.

Yep I dont like Rado. Tbh I think he is the reason why we are (even more) shit this season. Every club he goes to, he creates turmoil and leaves on bad terms.

With Vidosic not making the XI, there is going to be an implosion soon.

[haz]

4 hours ago, bt50 said:

https://dailyfootballshow.com/questions-abound-at-city-following-bruno-benching/

This is absolutely bang on the money.

His benching against Roar may light a fire under Fornaroli that spurs him into rediscovering the form that made him one of the greatest weapons the A-League has ever seen during his peak seasons in the competition.

Only positive that could come out of Bruno being dropped.

[jw1739]

26 minutes ago, playmaker said:

Dave Davutovic on Wazza/Forns stand off

From 1.00 minute on

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=306579

IMO one problem in this country is that football has such a low profile that the media isn't nearly hard hitting enough and doesn't ask the really hard questions or demand full answers.

Edited November 26, 2018 by jw1739

[HEARTinator]

46 minutes ago, haz said:

His benching against Roar may light a fire under Fornaroli that spurs him into rediscovering the form that made him one of the greatest weapons the A-League has ever seen during his peak seasons in the competition.

But this is a bullshit comment. There is nothing lacking in Bruno’s desire, he leaves nothing behind on game day. With Novillo, Mooy and Bruno we had the most potent attack the A-league gad seen. That was a combination we haven’t replicated. Where is our equivalent Mooy/Honda type midfielder that can pull strings and feed Bruno. Poor recruiting and now some people blame Bruno. I say bullshit to that. We have no clear plan. At least the Tards have a style of play and they recruit accordingly.

[Shahanga]

On 02/05/2018 at 8:21 PM, Shahanga said:

so Joyce has come in and achieved the following:

•Highest ever League finish

•Lowest goals conceded in a season 

•Improved the culture such that we now can comeback and win from behind.

•Brought in 2 talented youth players

•Turned around the career of Osama Malik

It May come as some surprise (at risk of being dubbed “Cato the Elder”) to the reader that I say he still should be fired* Here’s a few reasons:

•bench usage. The modern game is played by 14 players. Joyce seems unaware of this. Frankly no more reasons are required, but I’ll keep going for the laughs.

•random blacklisting players. He’s not a man manager. Anyone comes close to annoying him he just kicks them out. Might work at Man U but in the a League we have a salary cap, how about working through situations for a resolution like a grownup?

•Kilkenny. Enough said.

•Brandon. Enough said.

•Signing blokes then refusing to play them eg.  Budzinski, Crowley, Carusca.

•Thinking Jacobsen is a midfielder 

•ignoring in the run up to the finals that despite his defensive  flaws a guy like Budzinski might needed to turn a game so he should be given some minutes, so he’d be confident 

•thinking that because Manny Muscat works and tries hard he is somehow a match changing substitution 

•Putting 2 defenders on a bench of 4 in a must win game

•Ostracising Denis Genreau 

• crowd numbers. The elephant in the room is that our crowd is down because people got sick of watching shit football (or if you like watching shit, packaged as “football”) 

* not that I think he will be.

So here you go. This was my take at the end of last season. More of the same.

To be honest I’d be happier if I had to issue a grovelling post of apology.

[Mr MO]

2 hours ago, Shahanga said:

So here you go. This was my take at the end of last season. More of the same.

To be honest I’d be happier if I had to issue a grovelling post of apology.

Great summary plus you can add some players to signed list and not play them.

[Harrison]

Joyce needs to go immediately.

I've lost all faith in his ability to put together a squad, pick the best team, play people in their best positions, utilise substitutes and manage personalities.

There's also the broader issue of style and philosophy. Watching our team has become dull and rather tiresome and we aren't getting results.

The sooner he goes the better, otherwise this season is yet another wasted season without silverware. We need to engage existing fans and capture new ones before the third Melbourne team joins the competition.