bt50 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, DAM10 said: But you still prefer Kilkenny even when you are underwhelmed by him. In which ways does Kilkenny provide a better fit to our team than Caceres? I've been to a couple of our pre season games and I'm convinced that caceres has been our most consistent player while Kilkenny has been a passenger. Can you explain to me why you still think Kilkenny is more appropriate than caceres? Not as underwhelmed as i have been by Caceres and I've seen a much better sample size of him than our delicious Irish beverage friend. As phantomfortress explained re fitting into the team and as for Caceres being our most consistent in pre-season, well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it but i dont agree. Again sample size is probably two ordinary FFA Cup games against noone opposition and a friendly in Ballarat when noone else played so meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAM10 Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: It's about balance. Kilkenny does a job which is to break up the oppositions play, run around lots and let Brattan be fat but pass well. Caceres doesn't do this and it would leave Brattan and our defence exposed allowing the opposition to boss the midfield I totally disagree with your perception of football but I respect your opinion. In my team Caceres will play and Kilkenny would be on the bench or the stand. 2 minutes ago, bt50 said: Not as underwhelmed as i have been by Caceres and I've seen a much better sample size of him than our delicious Irish beverage friend. As phantomfortress explained re fitting into the team and as for Caceres being our most consistent in pre-season, well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it but i dont agree. Again sample size is probably two ordinary FFA Cup games against noone opposition and a friendly in Ballarat when noone else played so meh. Thanks to a goal by Caceres is that we're still in the comp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 17 minutes ago, DAM10 said: I totally disagree with your perception of football but I respect your opinion. In my team Caceres will play and Kilkenny would be on the bench or the stand. Thanks to a goal by Caceres is that we're still in the comp As much as it pains me, i think looking back at tards a couple of seasons ago with valeri and milligan and you get a better template of what we're doing. Kilkenny and Brattan are much better than those two with added bonus of Brattan's better passing and shooting/ free kicks... leaves less reliance on a CAM. Caceres could play that, but you would honestly rather what we did on Wednesday; play cahill there and then move brandan into CAM and bring on another relentless winger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, DAM10 said: I totally disagree with your perception of football but I respect your opinion. In my team Caceres will play and Kilkenny would be on the bench or the stand. Thanks to a goal by Caceres is that we're still in the comp I agree that caceres is a good player, but not sure if kilkenny is the right comparison. Maybe a Brattan type role would be more suited. A good problem to have if choosing between the 2 as both are good distributors of the ball with Brattan having quicker vision from what I saw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, rass said: As much as it pains me, i think looking back at tards a couple of seasons ago with valeri and milligan and you get a better template of what we're doing. Kilkenny and Brattan are much better than those two with added bonus of Brattan's better passing and shooting/ free kicks... leaves less reliance on a CAM. Caceres could play that, but you would honestly rather what we did on Wednesday; play cahill there and then move brandan into CAM and bring on another relentless winger... I'm sorry but there is no way in hell Kilkenny and Brattan are better than Valeri and Milligan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, InMyHeart said: I'm sorry but there is no way in hell Kilkenny and Brattan are better than Valeri and Milligan. Too early to call at this stage, I'd reserve judgement until after the season ends 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 53 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: It's about balance. Kilkenny does a job which is to break up the oppositions play, run around lots and let Brattan be fat but pass well. Caceres doesn't do this and it would leave Brattan and our defence exposed allowing the opposition to boss the midfield Because someone has to stop the oppo before they get near our defence! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 2 hours ago, InMyHeart said: I'm sorry but there is no way in hell Kilkenny and Brattan are better than Valeri and Milligan. Mute point. Need to wait a few rounds before you can judge Kilkenny and Brattan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Bratten is a "6" and Kilkenny a "5", in the old language. Which is ok if we are controlling a game. I can't see having both of them if we are chasing a game. Bratten has 4 career goals to his name, and OTOH he isn't an assist king either. Likewise with kilkenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 27 minutes ago, Kiro Kompiro said: Bratten is a "6" and Kilkenny a "5", in the old language. Which is ok if we are controlling a game. I can't see having both of them if we are chasing a game. Bratten has 4 career goals to his name, and OTOH he isn't an assist king either. Likewise with kilkenny. I think the thinking is that the wide players will be the ones supplying and finding space in dangerous areas and the 2 holding players are the anchors. But chasing a game your right you'd have to drop one. I don't think scoring will be our concern but if Kilkenny and Brattan screen well and allow the fullbacks to bomb we will be hard to play against. It's leading more and more to a fluid mobile system which is very interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiem Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 City for the cup? By the quality we showed on Wednesday evening then yes, however consistency needs to prevail first. I assume we may be facing an a-league outfit in the semis being either shitney or tards (thats if they beat Bentleigh). A home semi would certainly be scrumptious though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 11 hours ago, Thiem said: City for the cup? By the quality we showed on Wednesday evening then yes, however consistency needs to prevail first. I assume we may be facing an a-league outfit in the semis being either shitney or tards (thats if they beat Bentleigh). A home semi would certainly be scrumptious though. Inb4 JVS plays a youth squad when we draw Sydney away 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Don't get me wrong @Jovan and @thisphantomfortress I'm not saying they cant be a lethal and really good (top 2/3) mid combo in the game, but comparing them to Mark Milligan (51 caps and current socceroo) and Carl Valeri (52 Caps) I dont think we have the much better combo... if we can win 2 or 3 trophies I'll absolutely come around to making that statement ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 15 hours ago, Jovan said: I think the thinking is that the wide players will be the ones supplying and finding space in dangerous areas and the 2 holding players are the anchors. But chasing a game your right you'd have to drop one. I don't think scoring will be our concern but if Kilkenny and Brattan screen well and allow the fullbacks to bomb we will be hard to play against. It's leading more and more to a fluid mobile system which is very interesting. Yup, exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Latest news re wsw, beaten by Newcastle 2-0 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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