GreenSeater Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Couldn't seem to find a thread for the W-League in general on here at all so thought I'd make one. If there is another one feel free to move this. Very interesting, and downright awful article on SBS today. The treatment of W-League players is pretty bloody disgraceful. No wonder so many of the girls are so keen to play for us, it seems like we're the only club that actually gives a fuck about their welfare. http://www.sbs.com.au/topics/zela/article/2016/05/21/expose-players-open-about-w-league-conditions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 It seems like we are somewhat better but havent seen any hard evidence that they are truly equal in terms of support and facility access at our club either. Happy to be proved wrong of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 39 minutes ago, Dylan said: It seems like we are somewhat better but havent seen any hard evidence that they are truly equal in terms of support and facility access at our club either. Happy to be proved wrong of course Wouldn't you say the building of women's only section at La trobe evidence enough. I don't think they'll ever be equal to the men per say but definitely league leaders and hopefully up in the best in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Jovan said: Wouldn't you say the building of women's only section at La trobe evidence enough. I don't think they'll ever be equal to the men per say but definitely league leaders and hopefully up in the best in the world. There are too many factors working against investment in women's football at the top level. Very limited season and that ludicrous salary cap being the two obvious ones I can see. I consider myself privileged to have seen "our girls" in last season's GF - Fishlock, Little, Beattie, de Vanna and all the rest, because I'm not sure I'll have the chance to see a team like that again. I think City's intentions with the women's team are sincere, but I doubt the investment will see much return other than the satisfaction of having done what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted May 24, 2016 Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 I definitely see a benefit for Australian player development. For the club I expect it's more about the prestige. Going undefeated did get global coverage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 I wonder if there is an fear at the FFA now of the rise of professionalism for women in other sports. I gather the money in the WBBL is not bad (in fact they have already lured a tennis player & a dual international over) and now AFL is also paying a lot more and have lured over a fringe Matilda. Frankly, aside from City's entry, women's football looks pretty vulnerable. Disinterested clubs or federations (or both) are a big part of the problem. The chicks AFL (well it's not WAFL is it) would love to recruit players with top kicking skills, positional sense and athletism. Frankly given how most clubs treat them in football, why would they stay? Interesting times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 46 minutes ago, Shahanga said: I wonder if there is an fear at the FFA now of the rise of professionalism for women in other sports. I gather the money in the WBBL is not bad (in fact they have already lured a tennis player & a dual international over) and now AFL is also paying a lot more and have lured over a fringe Matilda. Frankly, aside from City's entry, women's football looks pretty vulnerable. Disinterested clubs or federations (or both) are a big part of the problem. The chicks AFL (well it's not WAFL is it) would love to recruit players with top kicking skills, positional sense and athletism. Frankly given how most clubs treat them in football, why would they stay? Interesting times ahead. FFA's advantage is that Womens football is by far the most popular and participated sport. Which leaves this all to the FFA to get the clubs to pick up their game....Great. I was shocked that most W-league clubs are not allowed to train at the same venue as their senior squads which there is no excuse or reason to why this is the case, it just comes across as petty. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I think they should be quite worried, based on the low standard of the facilities generally available and the lack of renumeration. It's frustrating because we're doing so well internationally but the game is improving so fast that we can very easily get left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 8 hours ago, Dylan said: FFA's advantage is that Womens football is by far the most popular and participated sport. Which leaves this all to the FFA to get the clubs to pick up their game....Great. I was shocked that most W-league clubs are not allowed to train at the same venue as their senior squads which there is no excuse or reason to why this is the case, it just comes across as petty. I'm not saying you're wrong there, but do you have the stats? What age groups are you including? I see plenty of girls' teams playing of a weekend at the local park, but they look Primary School age to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Just now, jw1739 said: I'm not saying you're wrong there, but do you have the stats? What age groups are you including? I see plenty of girls' teams playing of a weekend at the local park, but they look Primary School age to me. Ive read it in a few articles, ill try and hunt them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Just had a quick look for juniors 12 or so to u18. There are about 20 girls divisions and some 80 for boys that just ffv metro leagues. But having said that I reackon thats doubled in the last 5 years for the girls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Notably, elite netball and cricket are also developing in professionalism quite rapidly. Grassroots participation is football's biggest advantage (as Dylan said), but talent is going to be lured away towards other sports willing to throw $$$ (Bri Davey who was a City keeper signed as a Carlton marquee for example) I think if anything, the women's AFL competition and the women's Big Bash are drawing more attention to women's sport in general which could potentially drive a greater level of interest in the W-League, it's hard to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I think genuine interest Women's sport has been overstated somewhat mostly by the sporting Bodies themselves looking for a point of difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 41 minutes ago, Chris p said: I think genuine interest Women's sport has been overstated somewhat mostly by the sporting Bodies themselves looking for a point of difference the WBBL had stupidly large tv ratings, I don't think it's been overstated at all. given adequate support (which I think it will), the womens' AFL has the potential to be big. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 16 hours ago, Nate said: given adequate support (which I think it will), the womens' AFL has the potential to be big. The AFL is putting a lot of effort into setting their comp up and it comes with good media attention. Plus a,l the clubs who have teams are super committed, because they had to bid for the right to have them, unlike the wleague where a lot of aleague teams are unwilling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 CFG will spearhead womens football in Australia.. You might say that we already do I guess. As for "why" you really have to know the CFG long term plans to even guess, but CFG have de facto spent and are continuing to spend on womens football teams that lack sustainability for now, which we can say about the mens team as well of course.. Given the importance given to the women in the yearly "Interview with CFG chairman" lately I´d say that it will not change anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Not w-league per se but the Matildas are playing Canada tonight/Thurs morning at 4am, first game of our Olympic tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 On 2016-08-03 at 11:28 AM, Kinnibari said: Not w-league per se but the Matildas are playing Canada tonight/Thurs morning at 4am, first game of our Olympic tournament. Need a result against Zimbabwe I think?.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) On 8 August 2016 at 8:04 PM, M13 said: Need a result against Zimbabwe I think?.. Yes, needed to win, score a bunch of goals and also have Germany not beat Canada, all of which happened so now we're through to the quarters. Edit: we went through as the 3rd placed team so actually didn't matter about Germany. Olympics structure is a bit weird. Edited August 10, 2016 by Kinnibari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 15 hours ago, Kinnibari said: Yes, needed to win, score a bunch of goals and also have Germany not beat Canada, all of which happened so now we're through to the quarters. Edit: we went through as the 3rd placed team so actually didn't matter about Germany. Olympics structure is a bit weird. Not sure what MelC players you got in Rio though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 10 hours ago, M13 said: Not sure what MelC players you got in Rio though.. De Vanna, Catley, Crummer and Alleway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 9 hours ago, Kinnibari said: De Vanna, Catley, Crummer and Alleway. Cheers.. I´ll try to keep an eye on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Not W-League news... But Hope Solo is a free agent... http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/17424812/hope-solo-decides-end-season-nwsl-seattle-reign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Hopefully she doesn't get bored in front of the mirror again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Hopefully not, we don't need the drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illeatyourheart Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/matildas-stars-approached-by-afl-to-switch-codes-to-join-inaugural-womens-league/news-story/4f028fe4bae7970ca302c39bf3e17abf Quote Matildas stars approached by AFL to switch codes to join inaugural women’s league DAVID DAVUTOVIC, Herald Sun September 1, 2016 7:26pm Subscriber only THE AFL has declared war on women’s soccer with two Matildas stars approached to switch codes. Rio Olympians Sam Kerr and Mackenzie Arnold were sounded out about joining AFL clubs for the inaugural AFL season starting in February. Arnold, a promising young keeper with Perth Glory, was believed to have been offered a marquee spot with hometown club Brisbane Lions. Kerr was wanted by West Coast, where her brother Daniel played 220 games and won a Premiership. The Eagles approached Kerr about being the star recruit prior to Rio 2016, before Fremantle was handed the only WA license for the inaugural season featuring eight teams. Arnold, 22, seriously considered the offer before deciding to concentrate on the Matildas as did Kerr. But others have been tempted by the AFL’s $1.6m women’s war chest. Mackenzie Arnold was offered a marquee spot with the Brisbane Lions. Picture: Getty Images Canberra United’s Jenna McCormick is believed to have accepted a contract with AFL club Adelaide and will fulfil her W-League commitments with Canberra before pulling on the Crows shirt. Former Matildas keeper Brianna Davey has become the first high-profile code-hopper, signing a marquee deal with Carlton. Davey was Melbourne City’s no. 1 in their W-League title-winning season of 2015-16, but has decided to join Carlton who’ve offered her a three-day-a-week community role as well as a playing contract. FFA did not respond yesterday when asked to comment yesterday. Speaking last year, Davey said soccer had to be cautious of AFL’s threat. “To be honest I think yes. I think a lot of codes have to worry,’’ Davey said. Brianna Davey (centre, back) signed a marquee deal with Carlton. Picture: Wayne Ludbey The AFL’s high-profile women’s league launch has cast a spotlight on W-League pay conditions, after the Matildas’ high-profile pay dispute last year. The 20 contracted Matildas earn between $50,000-$60,000 ($36,000 or $45,000 Matildas contract with most earning $10,000-$15,000 in the W-League) in Australia, with those playing overseas in the W-League off-season earning in excess of $100,000. But the drop off for W-League contracted players only is radical, with clubs only mandated to spend $35,000 of the $150,000 salary cap. The AFL copped flak for revealing that most players will be paid $5000 each, but the Herald Sun can reveal that dozens of W-League players are not paid to compete. Most of the 160-odd W-League players earn between $1000-5000 a year. An unnamed source told the Herald Sun that conditions for most women’s players are appalling. “It costs most girls to play in the W-League,’’ the source said. Melbourne City sensationally broke the mould last year, investing hundreds of thousands into their women’s program to win the title in their first season. City are believed to spend close to the full cap, with Canberra United and Perth Glory believed to be the only other teams who spend upwards of $100,000 on their squad The rest of the clubs are believed to languish somewhere around the $50,000 mark, which is the FFA’s annual dividend to W-League clubs. Sam Kerr celebrates after scoring against Germany at Rio 2016 Olympic Games. Picture: Getty Images COMPETING CODES — Women’s pay scales W-LEAGUE Minimum No pay Standard $1000-$2000 Top $6000-$15,000 Estimated club wage bill (squad of 20): $40,000-$130,000 MATILDAS PLAYERS Tier 1 — $45,000 (16 players) Tier 2 — $36,000 (4 players) WOMEN’S AFL Minimum — $5000 Standard — $5000 Interim — $10,000 Marquee — $25,000 Projected club wage bill (squad of 25): $200,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 About time someone did up the ante... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 On 9/3/2016 at 6:08 PM, M13 said: About time someone did up the ante... FFA and the A-League clubs have to decide whether they want to be in women's football or not. If they decide to be in it then it has to be resourced properly. And this IMO doesn't just mean wages paid to players - it means the whole package. ATM it gives me the impression of being just an add-on to the men's game, and you won't fix that just by paying the players more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 afl must be pretty skillful if you can switch codes over night having never kicked a sherrin With the success of the rugby 7s at the recent olympics and the matildas brand i'm not surprised afl felt abit left out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Chris p said: afl must be pretty skillful if you can switch codes over night having never kicked a sherrin Who switched overnight and was ever successful in the AFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, bt50 said: Who switched overnight and was ever successful in the AFL? That canadian bloke, martin pike wasn't it ? as well as the Hayne and Folau experiments. fucking laughable It's clear just being able run alot and throw your weight around makes you a good player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Chris p said: That canadian bloke, martin pike wasn't it ? as well as the Hayne and Folau experiments. fucking laughable It's clear just being able run alot and throw your weight around makes you a good player Mike Pyke was around for 4 years before he ever truly made it, even then he was a ruckman which is by far the easiest position to transtition into. Hunt and Folau both played a full season prior to making their AFL debuts. Folau was a complete failure and barely got a game, whilst Hunt was ok and probably just made their best 22. All that as full time athletes training 5 days a week. There was nothing overnight about it, and they weren’t really any good anyway. Edited September 5, 2016 by bt50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Very concerning but hopefully it makes the other teams pull their finger out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 On 2016-09-05 at 7:50 AM, jw1739 said: FFA and the A-League clubs have to decide whether they want to be in women's football or not. If they decide to be in it then it has to be resourced properly. And this IMO doesn't just mean wages paid to players - it means the whole package. ATM it gives me the impression of being just an add-on to the men's game, and you won't fix that just by paying the players more. It have to go hand in hand with spending on infrastructure for womens football.. and at the moment we are way ahead of the pack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Clearly a topical discussion, because the Women's Game have released the result of a survey they did with players on this topic (part 1 of a three part series) and then Michael Lynch wrote about it for The Age. http://thewomensgame.com/2016/09/part-i-players-have-their-say/ http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/soccer-wleague-players-eye-switch-to-afl-for-cash-boost-survey-shows-20160907-graudt.html The biggest concern the players raised was finances, followed by the length of the season. Although the AFL is a threat to the w-league, I hope that having some competition will have a positive outcome because it forces the clubs and the FFA to lift their game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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