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Tesla    8,086
On 09/12/2015, 08:10:29, kingofhearts said:

I'm currently studying to be a primary school teacher and work part time as a gardener/concreter/guttercleanerperson/will do anything for cash

Are you interested in teaching primary school or high school teaching strider? I can give you pro's and cons of primary school teaching pretty simply as:

Pro's:

Theres lots of women

 

Con's:

Theres lots of women

What percentage of your course know what 6x7 equals? Or which there/their/they're is correct in a given context? 

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xXJawsaXx    343
2 hours ago, Deviant said:

I've seen what happens on those Jap subways and trains...

I don't know how i'd cope up there to be honest... I'd be tired as fuck by the time i get to where i'm going.

You're not wrong. The trains here are super convenient, they come every 5-10 minutes and are almost never late, but, I don't enjoy being crushed against doors.

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Tesla    8,086
10 minutes ago, xXJawsaXx said:

You're not wrong. The trains here are super convenient, they come every 5-10 minutes and are almost never late, but, I don't enjoy being crushed against doors.

Is the PT actually good in the 'suburbs' where you are or just in the central areas?

TBH I would expect a lot better than 5-10 mins waiting time for a train in Tokyo, I would have thought it's more like 2 mins. 

And what exactly does 'suburbs' mean when it comes to Tokyo, is it still really built up?

I take it you can't drive even in the suburbs, which would be shit if the PT isn't good. From what I know rego is expensive, especially if you want to drive every day and not every other day, not to mention still probably lots of traffic even in the suburbs?

Personally I've never understood the fascination people have with Japan, though I suppose Tokyo Drift made it seem cool :up: 

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strider    2,383
1 hour ago, Tesla said:

Is the PT actually good in the 'suburbs' where you are or just in the central areas?

TBH I would expect a lot better than 5-10 mins waiting time for a train in Tokyo, I would have thought it's more like 2 mins. 

And what exactly does 'suburbs' mean when it comes to Tokyo, is it still really built up?

I take it you can't drive even in the suburbs, which would be shit if the PT isn't good. From what I know rego is expensive, especially if you want to drive every day and not every other day, not to mention still probably lots of traffic even in the suburbs?

Personally I've never understood the fascination people have with Japan, though I suppose Tokyo Drift made it seem cool :up: 

i catch your drift. your... tokyo drift 

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Deviant    1,490
2 hours ago, xXJawsaXx said:

You're not wrong. The trains here are super convenient, they come every 5-10 minutes and are almost never late, but, I don't enjoy being crushed against doors.

I wasn't talking about that. But i'll just go with what you said :D 

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xXJawsaXx    343
3 hours ago, Tesla said:

Is the PT actually good in the 'suburbs' where you are or just in the central areas?

TBH I would expect a lot better than 5-10 mins waiting time for a train in Tokyo, I would have thought it's more like 2 mins. 

And what exactly does 'suburbs' mean when it comes to Tokyo, is it still really built up?

I take it you can't drive even in the suburbs, which would be shit if the PT isn't good. From what I know rego is expensive, especially if you want to drive every day and not every other day, not to mention still probably lots of traffic even in the suburbs?

Personally I've never understood the fascination people have with Japan, though I suppose Tokyo Drift made it seem cool :up: 

Yeah, the public transport here is very good. You are pretty much always a short distance from a train station, even out here. In the city trains come every 2 or 3 minutes, and since all of the lines intersect, even if you miss your train, you can hop onto another line and reach the place you want.

Well, it is about the same as Melbourne's inner suburbs really. But even so, the urban sprawl is not consistent. For example, Tachikawa, which is even further out than me, is really built up.

I would never drive in Tokyo, even out where I am traffic is a nightmare, the streets are narrow and there are cyclists everywhere.

Well. Asian Studies is my major so y'know. But I am a cynic, and honestly I think that Japan is just western enough to be comfortable for westerners, and just different enough to be considered "exotic".

1 hour ago, Deviant said:

I wasn't talking about that. But i'll just go with what you said :D 

Ah! Yes. Of course haha.

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kingofhearts    3,224
On 11/12/2015, 10:49:07, Tesla said:

What percentage of your course know what 6x7 equals? Or which there/their/they're is correct in a given context? 

Not very many lol.

However they've brought in this standardised test now that all teachers must pass to get their degree. It tests you in basic spelling, english, maths ext. so even if you complete the 4 years if you don't pass this test they won't let you be a teacher.  

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malloy    3,092
3 hours ago, kingofhearts said:

Not very many lol.

However they've brought in this standardised test now that all teachers must pass to get their degree. It tests you in basic spelling, english, maths ext. so even if you complete the 4 years if you don't pass this test they won't let you be a teacher.  

Is et cetera on the test?

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Dylan    4,062

I am a Landscape Architect/Urban Designer.  But work at a council at the moment as a town planner to try it out. Will move back across when I can. I prefer design

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cadete    6,059
15 hours ago, Dylan said:

I am a Landscape Architect/Urban Designer.  But work at a council at the moment as a town planner to try it out. Will move back across when I can. I prefer design

Which area of Melbourne mate?

(I am in a somewhat similar field)

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Dylan    4,062
52 minutes ago, cadete said:

Which area of Melbourne mate?

(I am in a somewhat similar field)

East. Its amazing how secretive you become when you work at a council and especially a town planner haha.

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haz    1,873

Just finished 2nd year of a 5 year engineering & business dual degree.  Planning on undertaking a year of international placement in 2017 through a university partnership company in Germany.   Then not sure if I will stay in Australia or move overseas when I complete my degree.

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Tesla    8,086
On 12/12/2015, 02:11:35, kingofhearts said:

Not very many lol.

However they've brought in this standardised test now that all teachers must pass to get their degree. It tests you in basic spelling, english, maths ext. so even if you complete the 4 years if you don't pass this test they won't let you be a teacher.  

Yeah it just shows how bad it is (think it was like 80 or 90% that are estimated to pass it based on those that volunteered to trial the test, but those who volunteered would be the smarter ones anyway, and really you'd want it to be like 99%)

It was around grade 5 that it became clear that I was smarter than my teachers, but for a while looking back on it I thought it must just be in my head,  until I started hearing stories from my gf about the retards in her course (she's studying to be a primary school teacher) and I've concluded that I really wasn't imagining it.

Though to be fair I suppose they don't really need to be smarter than primary school level anyway, and high school teachers just need to know one or two subjects well. 

 

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Grimey    104
On 12/12/2015 12:11:35, kingofhearts said:

Not very many lol.

However they've brought in this standardised test now that all teachers must pass to get their degree. It tests you in basic spelling, english, maths ext. so even if you complete the 4 years if you don't pass this test they won't let you be a teacher.  

A mate of mine just graduated his primary teaching course. Would be horrified if he taught my kids. Nice fella but a deadset moron

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Blackout    194
On 12/12/2015, 6:37:55, Dylan said:

I am a Landscape Architect/Urban Designer.  But work at a council at the moment as a town planner to try it out. Will move back across when I can. I prefer design

How did you make that switch out of curiosity? I wouldn't have thought too many of the skills would be interchangeable.

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Dylan    4,062
2 minutes ago, Blackout said:

How did you make that switch out of curiosity? I wouldn't have thought too many of the skills would be interchangeable.

I did a double degree so technically I am qualified as a town planner as well. Although uni doesnt really teach stat planning well at all

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Blackout    194
4 minutes ago, Dylan said:

I did a double degree so technically I am qualified as a town planner as well. Although uni doesnt really teach stat planning well at all

Fair enough, was just surprised if you didn't have a planning qualification; given the nature of bureaucracy requiring even administration to have qualifications these days.

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strider    2,383

Been doing a lot of reading up on post-grad teaching and job outlook -- apparently not great at all. @kingofhearts

Seems like universities are pumping out GradDip/Master's students and leaving them to go on several years of CRT (Casual Relief Teaching) before finding a job -- if they are lucky enough to.
I live just north of Epping, so places like Seymour and further north aren't too far from me, perhaps a 30-40min drive. Rural work could be a real possibility (but how many rural high schools have a desperate need for SOSE/Psychology/English/Philosophy/Business teachers?). Bleak indeed. 

edit: Overseas jobs in teaching (UK, Asia and surprisingly, the UAE) are a dime a dozen and apparently decently paid. But you wouldn't want to to stay overseas forever. Would you? Would I? What is the meaning of life? 

In other news I'm looking for work so any place hiring? inb4 someone says the streets of St Kilda u cheeky kents.

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kingofhearts    3,224
On 14/12/2015, 06:30:51, Tesla said:

Yeah it just shows how bad it is (think it was like 80 or 90% that are estimated to pass it based on those that volunteered to trial the test, but those who volunteered would be the smarter ones anyway, and really you'd want it to be like 99%)

It was around grade 5 that it became clear that I was smarter than my teachers, but for a while looking back on it I thought it must just be in my head,  until I started hearing stories from my gf about the retards in her course (she's studying to be a primary school teacher) and I've concluded that I really wasn't imagining it.

Though to be fair I suppose they don't really need to be smarter than primary school level anyway, and high school teachers just need to know one or two subjects well. 

 

Yeah true, obviously the ATAR to doing the course isn't very high (well definitely where i am at anyway lol) compared to other careers, so this definitely contributes to their being a high retard level in the course, and with the amount of group work there is for most subjects I've done so far anyway, a lot of the retards are able to just skate through on other people's hard work. I know some people who have already done the test anyway, they have said it was pretty easy, so i don't really think it's a good way to weed out the retards

I still believe however its a very tough job to do and a lot of these people end up getting found out anyway (70% of all graduates quit teaching within their first 5 years of teaching!) so no need to stress, your future children will hopefully not be taught by a retard :)

@strider I have contacts and being a male is a big advantage doing teaching. I don't expect to walk into a job but with the high turnover of teachers as stated above if you can get your foot in the door doing casual teaching it leads to doing full time teaching in most cases. In life it's not what you know but who you know and i hope this works out for me! (but casual teaching is pretty sweet, some subs get like $500 bucks a day i've heard)

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Shahanga    3,439
16 hours ago, strider said:

Been doing a lot of reading up on post-grad teaching and job outlook -- apparently not great at all. @kingofhearts

Seems like universities are pumping out GradDip/Master's students and leaving them to go on several years of CRT (Casual Relief Teaching) before finding a job -- if they are lucky enough to.
I live just north of Epping, so places like Seymour and further north aren't too far from me, perhaps a 30-40min drive. Rural work could be a real possibility (but how many rural high schools have a desperate need for SOSE/Psychology/English/Philosophy/Business teachers?). Bleak indeed. 

edit: Overseas jobs in teaching (UK, Asia and surprisingly, the UAE) are a dime a dozen and apparently decently paid. But you wouldn't want to to stay overseas forever. Would you? Would I? What is the meaning of life? 

In other news I'm looking for work so any place hiring? inb4 someone says the streets of St Kilda u cheeky kents.

If you ask me the whole thing is a bit of racket.  Unis churn out far more graduates than there are places.  Those CRT "jobs" may be just a day a fortnight and plenty of competition for them.  

So if you want a job here are my tips:

  • you need contacts (like @kingofhearts says he has), 99% of people get their jobs this way.  Spend every spare moment you have in your course getting those contacts
  • live/work somewhere where schools are growing.  A school that is cutting teachers is not going to hire a new one, regardless of how good you are.
  • specialise in the stuff others don't want to do.  My guess is maths would be a good choice for instance (most of those "others" are female, pick the stuff they generally don't like)

 

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strider    2,383

@kingofhearts @Shahanga

Yeah, seems very disheartening though. Would it be comparable to IT grads and their chances of a graduate position? Seems similar in terms of saturation. 
I guess one thing we have going for us that we are (handsome) men. Stick a photo on your CV? 

Girlfriend's mother is a teacher at a very respectable private school inner-west. Although there's something about rural-ish North that appeals to me. Developments are expanding further North surely schools in those areas are expanding too? Fuck me just wanna get out of the cancerous, cyclical corporate environment. 

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Tesla    8,086
18 minutes ago, strider said:

@kingofhearts @Shahanga

Yeah, seems very disheartening though. Would it be comparable to IT grads and their chances of a graduate position? Seems similar in terms of saturation. 
I guess one thing we have going for us that we are (handsome) men. Stick a photo on your CV? 

Girlfriend's mother is a teacher at a very respectable private school inner-west. Although there's something about rural-ish North that appeals to me. Developments are expanding further North surely schools in those areas are expanding too? Fuck me just wanna get out of the cancerous, cyclical corporate environment. 

Maybe it's because I'm in the west but it seems to be one of the easier careers to get into as a grad at the moment.

The hard ones seem to be all the traditional popular 'good money professions' eg lawyer, accountant, engineer, etc., or maybe that's just an illusion since they are popular and so there are more people complaining about lack of opportunities.

On the male teacher thing, i couldnt think of anything worse than being a male working with young children given the retarded feminist driven culture that has emerged where every man is basically assumed to be a pedophile. Of course you can avoid that by being a high school teacher and teaching like VCE classes, but then you'll be seeing dat jailbait every day and will end up being called a pedophile (by cunts who dont know the meaning of the word) when you eventually can't resist anymore and fall fowl of the law :up: 

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strider    2,383
13 minutes ago, Tesla said:

On the male teacher thing, i couldnt think of anything worse than being a male working with young children given the retarded feminist driven culture that has emerged where every man is basically assumed to be a pedophile. Of course you can avoid that by being a high school teacher and teaching like VCE classes, but then you'll be seeing dat jailbait every day and will end up being called a pedophile (by cunts who dont know the meaning of the word) when you eventually can't resist anymore and fall fowl of the law :up: 

Lmao, the prophetic Tes. 
Honestly don't know how to reply to that so we'll just move on -- how's your outlook for 2016 going? Anything exciting lined up for the yellow-faced thumbman? 

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Tesla    8,086
15 minutes ago, strider said:

Lmao, the prophetic Tes. 
Honestly don't know how to reply to that so we'll just move on -- how's your outlook for 2016 going? Anything exciting lined up for the yellow-faced thumbman? 

Mate it's 11pm and I have to wake up at 330am to catch a flight to Finland. I clearly don't even know wtf I'm doing in the next 24 hours let alone in 2016.

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strider    2,383
2 minutes ago, Tesla said:

Mate it's 11pm and I have to wake up at 330am to catch a flight to Finland. I clearly don't even know wtf I'm doing in the next 24 hours let alone in 2016.

Where you at right now? I envy you sir

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Tesla    8,086
29 minutes ago, strider said:

Where you at right now? I envy you sir

London, but I'm pretty much done here. After the random day trip to Finland tomorrow, I basically only have enough time to return my hire car (yes I hired a car in London cause I'm CEO 100k/day) on Friday morning before catching a bus to Leeds (cause even as a CEO 100k/day I cant afford the train to Leeds)

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strider    2,383
18 minutes ago, Tesla said:

London, but I'm pretty much done here. After the random day trip to Finland tomorrow, I basically only have enough time to return my hire car (yes I hired a car in London cause I'm CEO 100k/day) on Friday morning before catching a bus to Leeds (cause even as a CEO 100k/day I cant afford the train to Leeds)

Well you must be making decent money on that apparent little effort of yours if you can afford overseas trips! 

Stay safe pls (Leeds esp) 

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Tesla    8,086
2 minutes ago, strider said:

Well you must be making decent money on that apparent little effort of yours if you can afford overseas trips! 

Stay safe pls (Leeds esp) 

Nah I'll be broke AF after this.

Dont worry, I'm staying in Wetherby and not some scum part of Leeds (still probably dodgy but can't be worse than I've seen before).

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strider    2,383
1 hour ago, Jimmy said:

ROFL. Funniest thing you've ever said tbh.

Jimmy pls surely my low-key racism and crude humor has been slightly more entertaining

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Jimmy    3,141
14 minutes ago, strider said:

Jimmy pls surely my low-key racism and crude humor has been slightly more entertaining

Not even close. I prefer my humor witty. 

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GreenSeater    2,647

Update: Got out of hospitality (at least for now) going to be doing a traineeship in the science department of my old high school which is cool because I'm studying a Bachelor of Science at the moment

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perthheart    686
On 16 December 2015 at 10:22 AM, Tesla said:

Maybe it's because I'm in the west but it seems to be one of the easier careers to get into as a grad at the moment.

The hard ones seem to be all the traditional popular 'good money professions' eg lawyer, accountant, engineer, etc., or maybe that's just an illusion since they are popular and so there are more people complaining about lack of opportunities.

On the male teacher thing, i couldnt think of anything worse than being a male working with young children given the retarded feminist driven culture that has emerged where every man is basically assumed to be a pedophile. Of course you can avoid that by being a high school teacher and teaching like VCE classes, but then you'll be seeing dat jailbait every day and will end up being called a pedophile (by cunts who dont know the meaning of the word) when you eventually can't resist anymore and fall fowl of the law :up: 

That's bullshit. I finished primary school teaching back in Perth and was only ever encouraged to keep at it, particularly by women as they acknowledge the lack of male role models in most of the students lives. Is largely what drew me away from teaching in the end. Being a surrogate father for these kids was not what I signed up for.

Particularly when I get paid more slinging beers in a job that is essentially paid socialising. Saving cash now for a small business loan to venture into the hospo game back home in Perth in 3-4 years time.

Back to the teaching side of things, if you're a male you'll more than likely pick up grad work quickly. I already had teaching work lined up despite that schools principal acknowledging that my forward planning and organisational skills at the time were less than stellar. Majority of graduating year though had to do a few years relief before nailing a FT position. The other four blokes who graduated with me all found ft immediately. The degrees fucking easy as well so that's a plus as well.

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Tesla    8,086
6 minutes ago, perthheart said:

That's bullshit. I finished primary school teaching back in Perth and was only ever encouraged to keep at it, particularly by women as they acknowledge the lack of male role models in most of the students lives.

Well I don't find that surprising, what I meant is you'll have people reading into and judging everything you do in a different way than if it's a female teacher. 

Fwiw, an easy way to get more male primary school teachers would be to pay them more than females, but I doubt that will go down well lawl. 

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strider    2,383
20 minutes ago, perthheart said:

The other four blokes who graduated with me all found ft immediately. The degrees fucking easy as well so that's a plus as well.

Yay, I can go back to playing World of Warcraft full-time :D:D:D

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perthheart    686
1 hour ago, Tesla said:

Well I don't find that surprising, what I meant is you'll have people reading into and judging everything you do in a different way than if it's a female teacher. 

Fwiw, an easy way to get more male primary school teachers would be to pay them more than females, but I doubt that will go down well lawl. 

yeah primary school you'll generally end up in the upper grades anyways as that's where male teachers are needed . And the whole pedo thing as well I guess haha. Plus I don't know many blokes who have the patience for lower grade kids.

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Nate    2,558
1 hour ago, perthheart said:

yeah primary school you'll generally end up in the upper grades anyways as that's where male teachers are needed . And the whole pedo thing as well I guess haha. Plus I don't know many blokes who have the patience for lower grade kids.

When I was doing uni placement, I actually preferred teaching the lower grade kids for some reason. 
As I was at a pretty low socio-economic public school, a significant portion of my time was spent on behaviour management but there was something so rewarding about helping the good kids learn fundamental skills like reading, writing and maths in amongst all the chaos that was occurring. 

But at the end of the day, I'm glad I dropped out of the course because I couldn't imagine an entire lifetime of doing it but I have mad respect for those who do because it is a tough gig.

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