Hellenic Hero Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: TTDIM; the words "thrice" and "aforementioned" You deserve to be banned for this post Huh? Which rules did I break that deserve a ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 TTDIM: Today being a friday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said: Huh? Which rules did I break that deserve a ban? None which is why you werent banned, just a shit question 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBlue4U Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: TTDIM: Today being a friday friYAY* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: None which is why you werent banned, just a shit question Oh aha that makes sense=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 TTDIM : Paid Period Leave Like seriously, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, bt50 said: TTDIM : Paid Period Leave Like seriously, LOL. Isn't that what personal leave is for? I guess we can all identify as females and get it too so all good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, bt50 said: TTDIM : Paid Period Leave Like seriously, LOL. Surely they were joking when they suggested this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Surely they were joking when they suggested this? Apparently it's in place in Japan (and has been for a long time), Taiwan, Indonesia, South Korea, Russia...and being debated in Italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 47 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Apparently it's in place in Russia Really? I can't see Vlad thinking women should be in the workforce let alone getting this sort of leave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Apparently it's in place in Japan (and has been for a long time), Taiwan, Indonesia, South Korea, Russia...and being debated in Italy. As @Tesla has already said, is that not what sick leave is for? Not to mention already the redicoilous time women get off for maternity leave. Apparently they want 12 days of period leave, as long as they give men another 12 days of sick leave, sure, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kingofhearts said: As @Tesla has already said, is that not what sick leave is for? Not to mention already the redicoilous time women get off for maternity leave. Apparently they want 12 days of period leave, as long as they give men another 12 days of sick leave, sure, why not? Ridiculous time for Maternity leave? Would you prefer less and put the new born in child care or force the mother out of the workforce. Germany have a good system. I think its 12 months paid by the government regardless of workplace. Edited May 30, 2017 by Jovan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, kingofhearts said: Not to mention already the redicoilous time women get off for maternity leave. Its not strictly for the mother, either the dad or mum can take it. You prefer the One Nation policy of getting rid of Parental Leave Pay and also stopping immigration so we end up with a population of 0? I'm sure the cost of a good parental leave scheme to boost the birth rate is cheaper than relying on immigration, plus all the health benefits associated with early family bonding and breast milk that help avoid a future generation of ratbags. Edited May 30, 2017 by hedaik 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 From memory for our first child my wife got 12 weeks and had some long service leave which she took at a reduced rate and eventually had 12 months with a decent pay but for others she just took leave without pay after the 12 or so weeks. On duel income with a mortgage it's not easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 21 hours ago, Jovan said: Ridiculous time for Maternity leave? Would you prefer less and put the new born in child care or force the mother out of the workforce. Germany have a good system. I think its 12 months paid by the government regardless of workplace. 18 hours ago, hedaik said: Its not strictly for the mother, either the dad or mum can take it. You prefer the One Nation policy of getting rid of Parental Leave Pay and also stopping immigration so we end up with a population of 0? I'm sure the cost of a good parental leave scheme to boost the birth rate is cheaper than relying on immigration, plus all the health benefits associated with early family bonding and breast milk that help avoid a future generation of ratbags. When my parents raised myself and my siblings they didn't get anything from the government. How can you say that getting rid of parental pave leave will effect the population whatsoever? Isn't the fact that most of the people on this forum, had parents who received no such benefits, show you that people will have kids regardless and will be able to support them regardless? Excuse me for asking, why do parents feel everyone else should pay for them to have kids? I understand that obviously we live in a different economic climate then what our parents lived in, but if you choose to have kids the majority of the financial responsibility/looking after them is on yourself. I'm not saying that their should not be some help from the government however i think maternity leave is ridiculous. Come at me bros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, kingofhearts said: When my parents raised myself and my siblings they didn't get anything from the government. Wouldn't say you're a shining beacon on how kids should be raised sorry mate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 hours ago, kingofhearts said: When my parents raised myself and my siblings they didn't get anything from the government. How can you say that getting rid of parental pave leave will effect the population whatsoever? Isn't the fact that most of the people on this forum, had parents who received no such benefits, show you that people will have kids regardless and will be able to support them regardless? Excuse me for asking, why do parents feel everyone else should pay for them to have kids? I understand that obviously we live in a different economic climate then what our parents lived in, but if you choose to have kids the majority of the financial responsibility/looking after them is on yourself. I'm not saying that their should not be some help from the government however i think maternity leave is ridiculous. Come at me bros. Find this difficult to believe as the Menzies government did provide taxation relief as well cash benefits for raising kids - leaving aside such things as subsidised vaccinations. Of course maybe most people in this forum are over 70 then I would wonder why they are doing so many illicit drugs. Parental leave was not there to affect the population size - it was to get more women into the workforce and into higher paying jobs. Eliminating PPL today may affect the size of population but I have not read anything regarding this. Will people have kids regardless? absolutely. They were having them 2000 years ago when infant mortality rate would have been through the roof as well as the death of the mother. Even if you were an aristocrat. Having kids is not the problem - raising them is. As to the question of how best support children and the role of governments - that would depend on the circumstances of the child but at a very basic level, there is growing evidence that poor nutrition during pregnancy and early years lead to developmental deficiencies. There are benefits for maternity leave although I remain dubious of paternity leave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, hedaik said: Wouldn't say you're a shining beacon on how kids should be raised sorry mate. Well then thank you for that <3 Edited May 31, 2017 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 IMO there is a good case for review of these benefits, which always appear to me to be somewhat ad hoc. I'm not quite sure how you balance the various costs against the benefits. For example, the argument that maternity leave allows more women into the workforce and into better paying jobs is somewhat negated if a woman then takes three years maternity leave out of four years employment to have three children - as happened in a company I worked for. All her benefits such as years of service for long-service leave, superannuation etc. were maintained while she was absent, and of course someone else had to be employed to take her place while she was on leave. An extreme example, yes of course, but that sort of thing can hurt an employer. I'm also not convinced that a year's maternity leave is that significant in the first year of a child's life if the mother then goes back to work and the child goes to child-care at the age of one. If family bonding is that important in those early years then should women be working at all? As a mere male I dare not suggest that, of course! As in all these sorts of things I lean towards the view that people should take as much responsibility for their own life and those of their family as they possibly can and not look to someone else for support except in "safety-net" situations. Probably an unpopular opinion, but there we go! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 48 minutes ago, NewConvert said: I remain dubious of paternity leave. Do you mean the 2 weeks Government pay for dads? Only 1 in 3 dads have taken it up so most probably agree with you. I took it up for both kids, first time it was definitely needed as he wouldnt breast feed and was constantly hungry and not sleeping which meant Mrs Hedaik was a sleep deprived mess for 4 weeks, but second baby has been breastfeeding really well so I haven't had to do so much this time around other than keep the older one entertained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 58 minutes ago, hedaik said: Do you mean the 2 weeks Government pay for dads? Only 1 in 3 dads have taken it up so most probably agree with you. I took it up for both kids, first time it was definitely needed as he wouldnt breast feed and was constantly hungry and not sleeping which meant Mrs Hedaik was a sleep deprived mess for 4 weeks, but second baby has been breastfeeding really well so I haven't had to do so much this time around other than keep the older one entertained. Providing paternal support depends on circumstances. Sometimes the birth does not go as planned and the paternal support as well as extended support is a necessity - in this I don't have an issue with. However, my recollection when paternity leave emerged in Oz was as part of equal benefits to match women. This is the bit I am dubious about. Most blokes I know save annual leave as well so that they have extra time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, NewConvert said: This is the bit I am dubious about. Most blokes I know save annual leave as well so that they have extra time. Well the Government provides 2 weeks at minimum wage, my work provided me with 2 weeks at full pay which is somewhat generous compared to most of my mates who only got 1 from their work. The only place Ive heard of doing anything substantially more is one of the big 4 banks. I was fairly keen to get back to work after 4 weeks both times so I don't think much more needs to be provided for fathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: IMO there is a good case for review of these benefits, which always appear to me to be somewhat ad hoc. I'm not quite sure how you balance the various costs against the benefits. For example, the argument that maternity leave allows more women into the workforce and into better paying jobs is somewhat negated if a woman then takes three years maternity leave out of four years employment to have three children - as happened in a company I worked for. All her benefits such as years of service for long-service leave, superannuation etc. were maintained while she was absent, and of course someone else had to be employed to take her place while she was on leave. An extreme example, yes of course, but that sort of thing can hurt an employer. I'm also not convinced that a year's maternity leave is that significant in the first year of a child's life if the mother then goes back to work and the child goes to child-care at the age of one. If family bonding is that important in those early years then should women be working at all? As a mere male I dare not suggest that, of course! As in all these sorts of things I lean towards the view that people should take as much responsibility for their own life and those of their family as they possibly can and not look to someone else for support except in "safety-net" situations. Probably an unpopular opinion, but there we go! I don't think that the maternity leave is ad-hoc. After all it has been around for a long time and not only in Australia but in many countries as well and the economic studies have been rigorous. I have not read of a single economic paper that argues against it. Where you do have a point is regarding the cost to business and that would be dependent on the size of the business. You could also argue that the child is best served by being looked after all they way into their twenties. Indeed I have a friend who has argued that every year is the most important year of her children's life and that dad should take time of work to be there with them (she is not terribly bright). And many families opt to become single wage families for that reason. I have not seen any stats to see how many families do that. Personally I have not seen any business go to the wall because of maternity leave. Yes it is a cost but all businesses end up bearing the same cost over a period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) The only issue I have with maternity leave is that businesses are forced to pay it rather than directly from the government. That can be a huge cost for a small business. Also feminists always talk about the lower pay and job opportunities that women apparently get etc, well the prospect of having to pay them maternity leave is enough of a reason to look over a woman in favour of a man for the same job, so it really does not help females that businesses have to pay it rather than the government. The business wears enough of a cost losing their employee, let alone having to also pay them during the time. Of course it makes fuck all difference for a big company, but for small businesses it certainly does. Maternity leave aside, I do think it is somewhat of an issue that overall there is a fuck load of subsidies for having children, and in this day and age where different life choices are acceptable, it seems unfair that people who don't have children do basically have to pay for other people's children. At the same time we need a growing population to counteract the ageing population so maybe it's not that big an issue. And the cunts who'd complain about it would probably not give a fuck about other segments of our society who are ripped off so meh. Edited May 31, 2017 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 TTDIM: Afterpay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 7 hours ago, Tesla said: The only issue I have with maternity leave is that businesses are forced to pay it rather than directly from the government. That can be a huge cost for a small business. Also feminists always talk about the lower pay and job opportunities that women apparently get etc, well the prospect of having to pay them maternity leave is enough of a reason to look over a woman in favour of a man for the same job, so it really does not help females that businesses have to pay it rather than the government. The business wears enough of a cost losing their employee, let alone having to also pay them during the time. Of course it makes fuck all difference for a big company, but for small businesses it certainly does. Maternity leave aside, I do think it is somewhat of an issue that overall there is a fuck load of subsidies for having children, and in this day and age where different life choices are acceptable, it seems unfair that people who don't have children do basically have to pay for other people's children. At the same time we need a growing population to counteract the ageing population so maybe it's not that big an issue. And the cunts who'd complain about it would probably not give a fuck about other segments of our society who are ripped off so meh. Friends of mine who chose not to have children repeatedly joke about adopting our family so that we can look after them when they retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 9 hours ago, Tesla said: The only issue I have with maternity leave is that businesses are forced to pay it rather than directly from the government. That can be a huge cost for a small business. Also feminists always talk about the lower pay and job opportunities that women apparently get etc, well the prospect of having to pay them maternity leave is enough of a reason to look over a woman in favour of a man for the same job, so it really does not help females that businesses have to pay it rather than the government. Businesses aren't forced to pay it at all, and many dont offer Mat Leave, my best friends missus didn't get anything from her work and had to use her long service leave. The Government offers 3 months at minimum wage for everybody, if a company decides to offer leave on top of that then its up to them. Most big businesses seem to offer 3 months at full pay. My uncle used to run a small business of 10-20 people in Perth and he always said he preferred mothers working for him as they had something to work for and were more stable in their career/life. He was more than happy to offer it to attract those type of workers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, hedaik said: Businesses aren't forced to pay it at all, and many dont offer Mat Leave, my best friends missus didn't get anything from her work and had to use her long service leave. The Government offers 3 months at minimum wage for everybody, if a company decides to offer leave on top of that then its up to them. Most big businesses seem to offer 3 months at full pay. My uncle used to run a small business of 10-20 people in Perth and he always said he preferred mothers working for him as they had something to work for and were more stable in their career/life. He was more than happy to offer it to attract those type of workers. Not sure why I thought it was paid by businesses TBH, maybe it was one of the proposals that haven't happened. So I guess there goes my only issue with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 TTDIM: The new A League rights deal, which means all derbies will be on FTA now. Brilliant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Hellenic Hero said: TTDIM: The new A League rights deal, which means all derbies will be on FTA now. Brilliant. In before derbies are back to Friday nights again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, bt50 said: In before derbies are back to Friday nights again Maybe 2/3 will be Friday nights lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 TTDIM: Nutella I just bought Nutella for the first time and I'm eating it straight out of the jar with a spoon and I can't stop, help pls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 UOTIH: Nutella is overrated and terrible 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 I don't know what to do with nutella, I like it but what do I do with it? Mediocre on bread. What else is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jimmy said: I don't know what to do with nutella, I like it but what do I do with it? Mediocre on bread. What else is there? 44 minutes ago, Nate said: TTDIM: Nutella I just bought Nutella for the first time and I'm eating it straight out of the jar with a spoon and I can't stop, help pls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 25 minutes ago, Jimmy said: I don't know what to do with nutella, I like it but what do I do with it? Mediocre on bread. What else is there? It's 58% sugar by weight. The best thing to do with it is not eat much of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 19 hours ago, jw1739 said: It's 58% sugar by weight. The best thing to do with it is not eat much of it. Used to be sick when u could buy it in the those Looney Tune Drinking Glasses in the 90's as a kid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 20 hours ago, Jimmy said: I don't know what to do with nutella, I like it but what do I do with it? Mediocre on bread. What else is there? A bit left- field, but in Italy I saw some guys eating it on top of some cooked chicken, could that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Scented candles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 TTDIM: juventis' goal this morning. What a screamer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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