Jovan Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Disciplinary hearing on Wednesday. 5 weeks (probably). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony999 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Yants said: Lol! l suspect if he played AFL he would've got a "just go visit some kids at the Royal Children's Hospital Bazza, and you'll be in the squad next week" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R410 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Did Berisha get sighted for thrown the ball at him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, R410 said: Did Berisha get sighted for thrown the ball at him? Or sticking his dirty fingers right in Dean's face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Ironically I had a planning application once that had an old derelict caravan on the site and on the site  plan it was labeled as 'unused gypsy wagon' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Of course Dean has done something that he shouldn't. And I agree that what he said can be considered a racial slur. But considering that every news article and sports show has directly quoted the term and even put it in article titles. Is what he said really as bad as other racist terms that would earn a 5 match ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, haz said: Of course Dean has done something that he shouldn't. And I agree that what he said can be considered a racial slur. But considering that every news article and sports show has directly quoted the term and even put it in article titles. Is what he said really as bad as other racist terms that would earn a 5 match ban? I think alot of people still dont fully understand the term,  I sure as hell dont. I thought a gypsy was the people on the TV show that live in tents and caravans and dress up in strange costume. Ultimately it comes down to how offensive it was to besart. I can't stand him on the pitch and he plays the game as hard as any,  but the few times I've heard him speak off the pitch he doesn't seem like that bad a guy (yes I will get smashed for that comment) I dont that think he would fake being offended after the fact just so Bouzanis got in trouble. It will be 5 because they don't really want varying punishments on what comment is worse than others.  Eg if someone came out and called Tongyik or geria a N....  this week, everyone would say that's terrible 5 weeks suspension bang.  But for all I know gypsy could be just as bad for those people. It's a bad situation that hopefully can be behind us all Tomorrow night Edited February 7, 2017 by neio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 17 minutes ago, haz said: Â Is what he said really as bad as other racist terms that would earn a 5 match ban? Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about? Then maybe we should report Kate Cebrano to the police for naming her daughter Gypsy or perhaps ban the TV channel that screens "My big fat gypsy wedding" and label them as racists? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tony999 said: I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about? Then maybe we should report Kate Cebrano to the police for naming her daughter Gypsy or perhaps ban the TV channel that screens "My big fat gypsy wedding" and label them as racists? What about gypsy ham? It's they way it was said repeatedly. "F..cking Gypsy" is super offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) On 5 February 2017 at 10:07 PM, playmaker said: Anyone with a European background and calls someone a gypsy knows exactly what it means, man up you pussies. As I already posted above. If you think it's not a racist remark then you should spend a day anywhere in Europe  and call as many Romani people 'fkn gypsies' and see how that turns out. Guaranteed you will be holding your spleen in your hand on the way back to the airport if you are lucky. Anyway the positive out of this in Sorensen is back so our defence will be more solid as a result. Edited February 7, 2017 by playmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 There's so many things at play here. Fact is that both Bouzanis and Cahill have said things that aren't acceptable to the authorities running the game that they play, and they have to cop the punishments for doing so. Whether those punishments are appropriate is a different issue. Whether the FFA has gone too far with political correctness is a different issue. What other people do with the word "gypsy" is a different issue. IMO the underlying cause of all of this is frustration with our disintegrating season and our repeated failure to hold a lead when in a winning situation. So the club needs a close examination of itself. However, again, that is a different issue. Bottom line is that both our players have made an error of judgment and have to suffer the consequences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 So if Dean called say Broxham a gypsy would it have not been labelled racist as Broxham is of English decent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 22 minutes ago, Tony999 said: So if Dean called say Broxham a gypsy would it have not been labelled racist as Broxham is of English decent? yeah well he didn't, so it's not really the point is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Tony999 said: So if Dean called say Broxham a gypsy would it have not been labelled racist as Broxham is of English decent? Some words are in themselves unacceptable - racist, demeaning etc. But with a lot of other words it's how it is said, in what context, with what modifying adjective, who you say it to and how the recipient perceives it. Call me a gypsy and I wouldn't worry. Call me a f$%* pom and with venom and I would be pretty annoyed. Whilst gypsy is still a legally accepted word it is now starting to have racial implications and probably should be avoided. To use it with a strong adjective to someone you are making a pointed, vociferous remark to can have only one connotation. Despite being provoked what Bouzanis did was stupid and he deserves to be punished for it. As for Cahill - what he did is defined as not being allowed in the rules of the game. As an experienced professional he should know better and be able to control himself. Unacceptable. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, playmaker said: As I already posted above. If you think it's not a racist remark then you should spend a day anywhere in Europe  and call as many Romani people 'fkn gypsies' and see how that turns out. Guaranteed you will be holding your spleen in your hand on the way back to the airport if you are lucky. Anyway the positive out of this in Sorensen is back so our defence will be more solid as a result. ''Anyone with a European background and calls someone a gypsy knows exactly what it means, man up you pussies" I'm European, but aren't you contradicting yourself here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 48 minutes ago, Tony999 said: So if Dean called say Broxham a gypsy would it have not been labelled racist as Broxham is of English decent? How would you feel as a Romany person to not only have your heritage used as a derogatory term but to be compared to Leigh Broxham? Did you know that there are English Roma as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 This is a side of history that is not know all too well so ignorance plays a big role in why this is such a big discussion point. The way I see it is you have people who have a very good understanding of where the word comes from and people that are  experiencing this word in its true meaning for the first time. Behind closed doors racial slurs are said all the time and this will never change. Quite frankly this doesn't bother me too much either. However being a professional athlete in the lime light means you don't say these things in public ear shot. Easiest solution is bite your toungue and call him a cunt is the better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Pretty much watch this vid from 0:56 onwards, just replace the n word with the word gypsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 43 minutes ago, belaguttman said: How would you feel as a Romany person to not only have your heritage used as a derogatory term but to be compared to Leigh Broxham? Did you know that there are English Roma as well? Better still just watch Snatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, Jovan said: Better still just watch Snatch. Fookin pikeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 17 hours ago, Tony999 said: Lol! l suspect if he played AFL he would've got a "just go visit some kids at the Royal Children's Hospital Bazza, and you'll be in the squad next week" Yeah, well, you'd be wrong. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sherman-banned-over-racist-abuse-20110627-1gn1l.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, SF33 said: Yeah, well, you'd be wrong. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sherman-banned-over-racist-abuse-20110627-1gn1l.html I remember this incident and a little bit more was said than what Deano said when thrown a ball at him by Bes, Justin Sherman abused this kid the whole game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Mr MO said: ''Anyone with a European background and calls someone a gypsy knows exactly what it means, man up you pussies" I'm European, but aren't you contradicting yourself here? The 'man up you pussies' was in relation to Bouzanis/CFG  pleading ignorance as an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 hours ago, neio said: I think alot of people still dont fully understand the term,  I sure as hell dont. I thought a gypsy was the people on the TV show that live in tents and caravans and dress up in strange costume. Ultimately it comes down to how offensive it was to besart. I can't stand him on the pitch and he plays the game as hard as any,  but the few times I've heard him speak off the pitch he doesn't seem like that bad a guy (yes I will get smashed for that comment) I dont that think he would fake being offended after the fact just so Bouzanis got in trouble. It will be 5 because they don't really want varying punishments on what comment is worse than others.  Eg if someone came out and called Tongyik or geria a N....  this week, everyone would say that's terrible 5 weeks suspension bang.  But for all I know gypsy could be just as bad for those people. It's a bad situation that hopefully can be behind us all Tomorrow night Fully agree with the bold part. I hate his as a player as much as anyone, but I met him last year when he came in to my work and he was a really nice guy. Very highly doubt he would fake being offended to get another player in trouble tbh, no matter how much of an on-field rivalry they have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LIBBA] Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: Fully agree with the bold part. I hate his as a player as much as anyone, but I met him last year when he came in to my work and he was a really nice guy. Very highly doubt he would fake being offended to get another player in trouble tbh, no matter how much of an on-field rivalry they have. Do we even know that he as actually made a complaint himself? I honestly think he hasnt and that the if it really offended him, he would of raged straight after it was said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 He probably has'nt but the "MEDIA have got there dirty mits into it and blown it to massive proportions. Let's not forget the press Mantra " never let the truth get in the way of a good story" I am in no way condoning what Bouzanis is alledged to have said (remember it has not been proved in a court) but how can anyone even hear what he said above the noise and din that was going on at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, [LIBBA] said: Do we even know that he as actually made a complaint himself? I honestly think he hasnt and that the if it really offended him, he would of raged straight after it was said. I believe I read somewhere that he had to be consoled by Muscat after the game or something. Unsure where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 44 minutes ago, [LIBBA] said: Do we even know that he as actually made a complaint himself? I honestly think he hasnt and that the if it really offended him, he would of raged straight after it was said. Victory made a complaint to FFA on behalf of besart straight after game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: I believe I read somewhere that he had to be consoled by Muscat after the game or something. Unsure where. That was because he was still pissed off with himself for missing the pen imo. He'd be very aware that if he loses penalty duty then the end will come swiftly. Edited February 7, 2017 by bt50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, GreenSeater said:  I met him last year when he came in to my work and he was a really nice guy. What? First you missed the chance to head butt him, then you sing his praises??? Im calling for a life ban. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 hours ago, bt50 said: That was because he was still pissed off with himself for missing the pen imo. He'd be very aware that if he loses penalty duty then the end will come swiftly. Exactly. People have short memories. Wasn't it only the previous derby where Muscat was also consoling a grieving Berisha? It's happened before and that had nothing to do with sledging, just because he'd had a shit game. So please people, let's not link shit just to make a point for someone who has been a total prick 100% of the times we have played against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 16 hours ago, johnno cpfc said: He probably has'nt but the "MEDIA have got there dirty mits into it and blown it to massive proportions. Let's not forget the press Mantra " never let the truth get in the way of a good story" I am in no way condoning what Bouzanis is alledged to have said (remember it has not been proved in a court) but how can anyone even hear what he said above the noise and din that was going on at the time. I'm pretty sure the video evidence is conclusive, even without the sound even the most inept lip reader can translate what Dean is yelling  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 3 hours ago, japiedog said: I'm pretty sure the video evidence is conclusive, even without the sound even the most inept lip reader can translate what Dean is yelling  I thought I lip read "fucking tipsy" because he was on the booze the night before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 51 minutes ago, Tony999 said: I thought I lip read "fucking tipsy" because he was on the booze the night before. Yes Bouzanis was on the Bouz !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin316 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Officially the club will need to condemn the behaviour In the terrace I will call Berisha a GYPSY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Austin316 said: Officially the club will need to condemn the behaviour In the terrace I will call Berisha a GYPSY Gimme a hell yeah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlings Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Austin316 said: Officially the club will need to condemn the behaviour In the terrace I will call Berisha a GYPSY And that's the bottom line, cuz Stone Cold said so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 8 hours ago, japiedog said: I'm pretty sure the video evidence is conclusive, even without the sound even the most inept lip reader can translate what Dean is yelling  Just for your jnformation i am deaf and i do lip read at times and i could not tell what Bouzanis was actually saying but that is not for me to say .  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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