n i k o Posted December 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, haz said: Yea only HAL matches, I can add FFA cup matches though Ok perhaps the site I was on is wrong. Im trying to think of when we've scored these goals later on though. Wellington and the derby were earlier on. The last handful of games have been earlier on as well from what I can remember. Edited December 18, 2016 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, n i k o said: Ok perhaps the site I was on is wrong. Im trying to think of when we've scored these goals later on though. Wellington and the derby were earlier on. The last handful of games have been earlier on as well from what I can remember. Yea I've only added up the goals we've conceded in the HAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted December 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 1 minute ago, haz said: Yea I've only added up the goals we've conceded in the HAL Soz man I didnt realise the graphs you posted up were of conceded goals . Ok makes sense now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 It's the same old Heart defensive pattern of being most likely to concede at the start and end of each half. No progress at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Thought I would move it to here: Just for those interested. Possession stats are as follows: All games this season. 5 wins average of 56% possession 3 draws average of 56% possession 3 losses average of 61% possession If you exclude th 63% possession that we had in our Newcastle win, then in the 4 wins we had an average of 54% possession. In our losses to Perth, Brisbane, and Victory we had possession % of 63, 61, and 60 respectively. Another interesting observation was that in the games we conceded goals, 70% of those came after the 60th min. (7/10), 2/3 in our losses and 2/3 in our drawn games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Are there any further breakdown of those stats, for instance how much of that possession was possession in our own half and how does it relate to shots on and off target? I would imagine that the games with higher possession would show that most of that was in our own half and that they were the games with the lowest number of scoring shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 3 hours ago, playmaker said: Thought I would move it to here: Just for those interested. Possession stats are as follows: All games this season. 5 wins average of 56% possession 3 draws average of 56% possession 3 losses average of 61% possession If you exclude th 63% possession that we had in our Newcastle win, then in the 4 wins we had an average of 54% possession. In our losses to Perth, Brisbane, and Victory we had possession % of 63, 61, and 60 respectively. Another interesting observation was that in the games we conceded goals, 70% of those came after the 60th min. (7/10), 2/3 in our losses and 2/3 in our drawn games. I am surprised that the percentage is that low. The team has an unhealthy obsession with possession rather than attacking. The figures again prove that the possession game is not a winning strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 11 hours ago, mjake1234 said: I am surprised that the percentage is that low. The team has an unhealthy obsession with possession rather than attacking. The figures again prove that the *useless possession game is not a winning strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 The only statistic that you need to remember is 31.9%. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: The only statistic that you need to remember is 31.9%. Down from 33.3, time for the mini run. Perth game is a lock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxxandro Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Jovan said: Down from 33.3, time for the mini run. Perth game is a lock. I'm really confident we are going to at least draw in Perth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Alexxxandro said: I'm really confident we are going to at least draw in Perth. Checked your fixture list lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxxandro Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 1 minute ago, jw1739 said: Checked your fixture list lately? Oh it's at AAMI! (I live in Sydney now so I'm less aware...) Also the way people have been talking made me think it must be in Perth. Lose this at AAMI park and we should riot (I'll fly down to join in the riot a bit later in the evening) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 23, 2016 Report Share Posted December 23, 2016 The inevitable post FFA Cup slump (it also happened last season to the visit0rs) needs good man management and motivational skills to manage. JVS has none of these so I'd be surprised if we win. The only thing is our favour is Perth's injury list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Edmonds Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 Fox Sports had statistics up in the pre game of Sydney and Adelaide. It showed the goals for and against after the 60th minute mark and we're ranked 8th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Andrew Edmonds said: Fox Sports had statistics up in the pre game of Sydney and Adelaide. It showed the goals for and against after the 60th minute mark and we're ranked 8th. 2 For and 8 against? Edited December 26, 2016 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Edmonds Posted December 26, 2016 Report Share Posted December 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, haz said: 2 For and 8 against? 2 for, 6 against 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) On 12/21/2016 at 6:04 PM, playmaker said: Thought I would move it to here: Just for those interested. Possession stats are as follows: All games this season. 5 wins average of 56% possession 3 draws average of 56% possession 3 losses average of 61% possession If you exclude th 63% possession that we had in our Newcastle win, then in the 4 wins we had an average of 54% possession. In our losses to Perth, Brisbane, and Victory we had possession % of 63, 61, and 60 respectively. Another interesting observation was that in the games we conceded goals, 70% of those came after the 60th min. (7/10), 2/3 in our losses and 2/3 in our drawn games. Revised to the 19th Jan 2017 (Round 15) Additions: vs Perth (draw 3-3), Possession 69.5% conceded a goal 64th minute vs CCM (draw 2-2), Possession 47.4% conceded a goal 77th and 85th minute vs WCW (win 1-0), Possession 66% vs Adelaide (loss 2-1), Possession 65% conceded a goal 87th minute vs CCM (win 2-1), Possession 63% (CCM down to 10 for 70 mins) Possession stats are as follows: All games this season. 6 wins average of 58.5% possession 5 draws average of 57% possession 4 losses average of 62% possession In our losses to Perth, Brisbane, Victory and Adelaide we had possession % of 63, 61, 60 and 65% respectively. Another interesting observation was that in the games we conceded goals, 77% of those came after the 60th min. (10/13), 3/4 in our losses and 4/5 in our drawn games. Edited January 19, 2017 by playmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 Overall Heart/City has played 190 league and league finals matches, win%=33.2 The City era (since start of 2014-15 season) 78 matches, win%=41.0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted February 19, 2017 Report Share Posted February 19, 2017 4 hours ago, jw1739 said: Overall Heart/City has played 190 league and league finals matches, win%=33.2 The City era (since start of 2014-15 season) 78 matches, win%=41.0 What about the Mooy era? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted December 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just saw on FoxSports some stats on our current season. We are: - 10th on completed passes per goal - 10th in balls in the area - 8th on completed passes per shot The stats show more than enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, n i k o said: Just saw on FoxSports some stats on our current season. We are: - 10th on completed passes per goal - 10th in balls in the area - 8th on completed passes per shot The stats show more than enough. Can you shoot an email off to Marwood please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 54 minutes ago, n i k o said: Just saw on FoxSports some stats on our current season. We are: - 10th on completed passes per goal - 10th in balls in the area - 8th on completed passes per shot The stats show more than enough. No wonder supporters yell shoot when the ball is no where near goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, n i k o said: Just saw on FoxSports some stats on our current season. We are: - 10th on completed passes per goal - 10th in balls in the area - 8th on completed passes per shot The stats show more than enough. Im starting to think any sexual contact between Joyce and is wife is all foreplay and he never finishes....... We are, the fans, Joyce's wife! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) Shots on target v shots https://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2013/1/17/3880454/a-look-at-shots-on-target-epl A good article, a player might want to be a striker and has played there most of their career, But actual shot's on target makes a striker potent, chances created is everyone elses work around said player, but if you get a chance, make sure it's on target. Edited December 14, 2018 by moops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted December 14, 2018 Report Share Posted December 14, 2018 We also have the top 3 completed passes in the league. Baccus, Schenkeveld and Delbridge No issues with baccus being there, but the other 2 shows a real lack of ambition going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 hours ago, neio said: We also have the top 3 completed passes in the league. Baccus, Schenkeveld and Delbridge I just heard Joyce nut reading this stat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 14/12/2018 at 7:35 PM, n i k o said: Just saw on FoxSports some stats on our current season. We are: - 10th on completed passes per goal - 10th in balls in the area - 8th on completed passes per shot The stats show more than enough. That's why Wazza prefers to focus on something meaningless like possession %. Has anyone found our 'shots on goal' stat, and 'shots inside the box' stat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, belaguttman said: That's why Wazza prefers to focus on something meaningless like possession %. Has anyone found our 'shots on goal' stat, and 'shots inside the box' stat? No need to bother with all these statistics. Just look at the league table. Tells me all I want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 As it stands (25' WSW vs SYD), we are in 7th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, haz said: As it stands (25' WSW vs SYD), we are in 7th The only thing I got out of this match is how shit Kamau is. And to think Joyce was talking him up as a potential for a La Liga move. Just proves how fkn moronic Joyce is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 8 points behind Victory. Will be eleven points behind Perth if they win. If Newcastle win we're in seventh. Cos we're getting nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 9 hours ago, fensaddler said: 8 points behind Victory. Will be eleven points behind Perth if they win. If Newcastle win we're in seventh. Cos we're getting nothing. Ridiculous really, considering the team we have on paper. Wellington above us should never happen with the team they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 hours ago, fensaddler said: 8 points behind Victory. Will be eleven points behind Perth if they win. If Newcastle win we're in seventh. Cos we're getting nothing. 14 points then after next week. That would reflect the growing gulf between the two teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 hours ago, fensaddler said: 8 points behind Victory. Will be eleven points behind Perth if they win. If Newcastle win we're in seventh. Cos we're getting nothing. 1 hour ago, HeartOfCity said: Ridiculous really, considering the team we have on paper. Wellington above us should never happen with the team they have. Not even one-third of the way into the season and we are off the pace. Remember, we had four points before Victory got on the board... It's not the names we have. All the other 9 teams play attacking football - even Brisbane and Central Coast. All 9 are focussed on their football, and they're all going to win some matches. We are pedestrian and turgid on the field, and in total disarray off it. We are unlikely to win matches while the club's frame of mind is the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 5 hours ago, HeartOfCity said: Ridiculous really, considering the team we have on paper. Wellington above us should never happen with the team they have. I still don’t see why people keep saying our squad is supposedly so good on paper. With the exceptions of an in form Fornaroli, Schenkeveld, De Leat and to a certain degree Riley McGree - we have a squad full of recycled a league players, European lower league players and unproven youth. To me this season squad is least impressive out of the last 3 seasons, we have recruited poorly. In combination with poor management we are exactly where this squad belongs, which is mid table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeVader Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 6 hours ago, HeartOfCity said: Ridiculous really, considering the team we have on paper. Wellington above us should never happen with the team they have. Krishna, Burns, Singh, Taylor their first choice keeper Kurto with D Will off the bench and a coach who seems like he knows what hes doing looks like a better squad than our current squad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 Against two rubish teams, Mariners and Roar, we drew and lost. He had a head start and now we're miles behind visitors. Top league isn't a bad achievement for youth factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Mr MO said: I still don’t see why people keep saying our squad is supposedly so good on paper. With the exceptions of an in form Fornaroli, Schenkeveld, De Leat and to a certain degree Riley McGree - we have a squad full of recycled a league players, European lower league players and unproven youth. To me this season squad is least impressive out of the last 3 seasons, we have recruited poorly. In combination with poor management we are exactly where this squad belongs, which is mid table. Galekovic De late Delbridge Schenk Jamison Griffiths Atkinson Brattan Mcgree Vidosic Fornaroli Squad: Birrigitti, O'Halloran, Wales, Good, Baccus, Caceras, Malik The squad really doesnt look as bad as what you say and i bet with a different gaffer it would be a great team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 I've been looking for a way to describe how well Eugene had played this year as a bit of a mea culpa , as I was definitely in the category of people who thought it was just a matter of time until Birighitti took his spot. I was very wrong. Basically this graph shows two things, firstly we're conceding the least amount of shots per game in the A-League by about 1 per game, which is rather impressive (and a testament to the work of the back four, but particularly the centre half pairing of Bort and Robocop, who wouldn't be far from being our best central defensive pairing over a string of games, with the exception maybe being December 2011 when Madaschi/Hammill looked like they were going to make a good pairing). The X-axis is Goals Conceded as a function of Shots Conceded, a lower number is better, and the Glory/Victory/Wellington and Melbourne City have the best numbers there (oddly Wellington have a good ratio of GC/SC, but they concede a lot of shots relative to the other teams that are in that upper echelon of teams). This number is related to two things - good defensive structure, and good goalkeeping, so it's probably not a massive surprise to see that each of these teams are coached by three defenders (Popovic, Muscat and Rudan) and a bloke who was called psycho in his playing days. What separates Melbourne City from this group is the Y-axis, which is what percentage of the shots that you do concede are on target. Our rate of that is ~4% higher than any other team, yet we've still conceded the least goals of anyone in the competition and this is due, in all likelihood to one man. Eugene. If we take this same graph and this time size the points by Shots on Target/Goals Conceded we get this Eugene is the only keeper in the league running at an average of >4 Shots on target for every goal conceded (eclipsing that number comfortably at ~4.4). To put this into context, if we were conceding goals at a league average rate, per shots on target conceded, we'd have conceded ~4 more goals this year, up from 9 to 13. Quote ‘First you need to lock the door of the house, if you don’t, the robbers get in and they take everything. Once you have locked the door, then you can organise and decorate the house the way you want.’ - Claudio Ranieri So this is good (and odd for us, as Melbourne City/Heart have been many things, but defensively solid is not one of them). How about at the other end of the pitch? Not so good. We're currently conceding more shots than we're taking, which makes us and Wellington the only two teams to be doing so in the top six. You can definitely outrun this statistic (see Burnley, 2017-18 EPL season), but eventually it tends to catch up with you (see Burnley, 2018-19 EPL season). So hopefully an attacking player in the transfer window, because we're currently in historically good defensive form, but really need to do more up front. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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