Melbourne City F.C. Match Statistics

[n i k o]

Ok so seeing as we don't have a dedicated section I thought this would be a good place for anyone to place any statistics they find about our team that would be interesting discussion points. Thanks to Leopold Method for the graphs.

Interestingly this table shows we look to pass forward the most out of nearly every team. I would think this statistic would have significantly changed over the last month of football.

As a result of our passing forward we also tend to have to take less passes to be able to have a shot on goal. However our passes per goal isn't the best as the next table will show its the correlation between where the shots are taken and the amount of passes needed that affects this percentage.

You can see that generally, besides in a few rare cases, the teams that take more shots from inside the penalty box have a better goals/passes per goal ratio. And this is also why even though we have one of the best ratios in terms of passes per shot on goal it doesn't always equate to a goal due to the location (outside the penalty box) of the shots taken. Perhaps this is also a reflection that our forwards don't hit the target enough either.

So we tend to play a pretty good brand of football based on these stats, we tend to play forward more than most teams and we seem to hold a descent amount of possession compared to the other teams. We are also an exciting team to watch because we tend to take more shots on goal than most teams but it doesn't always lead to a goal as we don't create enough opportunities to score inside the box.

If anyone else has anything to add or you come across any other stats that would be interesting to discuss feel free to add them in here.

[malloy]

Would love to see the exact same graphs from last season.  More so to see how Brisbane has changed.

[n i k o]

Yeah Brisbane would be interesting, I'd think based on watching them this season their possession is based more in their defensive half compared to last season.

[mattyh001]

For memory, I think there is a reasonably stable stat that 80% of goals come from inside the box.

So teams like Glory and the tards who take a high portion of shots from inside the box should score more often, which drags down shots per passes since they should have more goals.

[Shahanga]

When I was about 16 the coach lined us up and said "right who fancies himself from outside the box " anyway we all did, we all shot many times and didn't score. Then he brought out the stats about goals. Put it this way I don't get too concerned when the average player shoots from distance (ps koren is not average)

[n i k o]

[n i k o]

[drewmelbcity]

 

I now know going for beers is a no go when it approaches the 54th minute mark at AAMI park.

[Ray]

Our shots on goal inside the box are hugely inflated by the number of headers that are attempted.

Given we have Kisnorbo, Paartalu and others always having head shots, it doesn't make good reading for the shots taken by the others that are classed as goal scorers.

[perthheart]

Love a good 'head shot for the goal inside the perimeter for the tie at the break.'

[Murfy1]

Here are the numbers for the passing stats of all the players in the team over the whole season (to date):

 

 

 

And for some context, here are the passing stats of all teams over the season:

 

 

 

 

A number of interesting and surprising things. Also, the statistics further show that Mooy is an absolute beast (with by far the most chances created in the team, and in the league as well).

[silva10]

Of course they do say:

 

There are lies

Damned lies

Then Statistics

[Shahanga]

The issue for Mooy is not that he won't pass, it's the timing of those passes & I don't think it's selfishness so much as instinct. Anyway he seems to be getting better, which is important if he wants to go to the next level.

[Jovan]

I must say i have judged Kisnorbo very harshly going by those stats.

Watching him regularly butcher the ball and those stats just don't mesh.

Maybe I notice his fuckups more.

Apologies Paddy.

[Murfy1]

Here's a look at the defensive record of Melbourne City's back fours over the past 20 games, since the the 5-1 unpleasantness away to Wellington in Round 8 (which was a real turning point):

 

 

Round 10 vs Brisbane (home)           – Hoffman, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Garuccio      = 1-0 win

Round 11 vs Victory (AAMI)               – Hoffman, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Garuccio      = 1-0 win

Round 12 vs Perth (home)                 – Wielaert, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Garuccio      = 1-1 draw

Round 13 vs Newcastle (away)          – Wielaert, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Garuccio      = 5-2 win

Round 14 vs Central Coast (away)     – Archibald, Wielaert, Kisnorbo, Garuccio      = 2-0 loss

Round 15 vs Western Sydney (home) – Hoffman, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Garuccio    = 2-1 win

Round 16 vs Victory (Etihad)               – Hoffman, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Clisby         = 3-0 loss

Round 17 vs Wellington (away)           – Safuwan, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Clisby         = 0-0 draw

Round 18 vs Perth (home)                   – Jaliens, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Clisby           = 0-0 draw

Round 19 vs Adelaide (home)             – Safuwan, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Clisby         = 3-1 win

Round 20 vs Central Coast (away)      – Jaliens, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Safuwan        = 1-0 loss

Round 10* vs Western Sydney (away)– Jaliens, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Safuwan        = 3-2 loss

Round 21 vs Newcastle (home)            – Retre, Jaliens, Kisnorbo, Clisby                 = 4-0 win

Round 22 vs Sydney (away)                 – Retre, Jaliens, Kisnorbo, Clisby                 = 1-0 win

Round23 vs Brisbane (home)               – Retre, Jaliens, Kisnorbo, Clisby                 = 1-0 win

Round 24 vs Western Sydney (away)   – Retre, Jaliens, Kisnorbo, Clisby                 = 1-1 draw

Round 25 vs Wellington (home)          – Jaliens, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Safuwan        = 0-0 draw

Round 26 vs Perth (away)                     – Retre, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Clisby            = 3-1 loss

Round 27 vs Adelaide (away)             –  Jaliens, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Hoffman        = 4-1 loss

Elimination Final vs Wellington (away) – Retre, Chapman, Kisnorbo, Germano         = 2-0 win

 

 

Overall stats for the 20 matches

- 22 goals conceded [for comparison, City conceded 18 goals over the first 8 games]

- Average of 1.1 goals conceded per game [for comparison, City averaged 2.25 GCPG over the first 8 games]

 

- 9 cleansheets (6 wins, 3 draws)

- Games with 1 goal conceded = 5 (1-1 draw vs PG, 2-1 win vs WSW, 3-1 win vs AU, 1-0 loss vs CCM, 1-1 draw vs WSW)

- Games with 2 goals conceded = 2 (5-2 win vs Newcastle, 2-0 loss vs Central Coast)

- Games with 3+ goals conceded = 4 (3-0 loss vs victory, 3-2 loss vs WSW, 3-1 loss vs PG, 4-1 loss vs AU)

 

# Only 2 losses in the 16 games where Melbourne City has conceded 2 goals or less (9 wins, 5 draws, 2 losses)

 

 

Individual stats

- Chapman as CB = 5 wins, 4 draws, 5 losses  - 6 cleansheets

- Jaliens as RB = 0 wins, 2, draws, 3 losses  - 2 cleansheets

- Jaliens as CB = 3 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses  - 3 cleansheets

- Hoffman as RB = 3 wins, 0 draws, 1 loss  - 2 cleansheets

- Hoffman as LB = 0 wins, 0 draws, 1 loss  - 0 cleansheets

- Retre as RB = 4 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss  - 4 cleansheets

 

# Kisnorbo played all games

 

 

 

2 things I'd note from the above data is that Melbourne City's defence has been really impressive since the 5-1 loss to Wellington in round 8, and if it weren't for those 4 games where City conceded 3 or more goals then City would quite likely have the best defence in the league.

 

The other stand out thing is that apart from the ever-present Kisnorbo (and Velaphi behind the back four), there have been many heroes in defence this season, with the fullback positions in particular seeing numerous different players come in and do a job.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Murfy1

[Murfy1]

Impressive read from galbertson.wordpress.com comparing the A-League performances of our incoming wingers (Novillo, Gameiro, Kuzmanovski) with our outgoing wingers (Duff, Dugandzic, Ramsay):

 

 

A-League Transfers: Melbourne City’s wingers

 

It is that time of the year. With clubs beginning to return for pre-season training, coaches are looking to fill the gaps in the squad and improve on any weaknesses from the previous season.

 

With a season of petro-dollars now behind them, Melbourne City will be looking to build on their second-ever finals appearance with a stronger, more-rounded squad next season. Rob Wielaert, Iain Ramsay, Damien Duff, Mate Dugandzic and Kew Jaliens have all been released, with Josh Kennedy joining them on the way out this week with the announcement of his retirement.

 

Goals have always been an issue for Melbourne, with David Williams’ 11 league goals in 2013/14 the only time in five seasons a Heart or City player has reached double figures. Despite the lack of goals though, they haven’t necessarily had trouble creating chances on goal. In the last two seasons they have taken the most (14/15) and second most (13/14) shots in the league, yet only ranked 7th and 5th for goals scored in those same seasons.

 

The chances they have created have either been of a poorer quality, or had substandard finishers on the end of them.

 

Neither Ramsay, Duff or Dugandzic have been particularly prolific with Heart/City, instead being relied on more to provide and set-up goals than score them. In their place, City have signed Corey Gameiro from Sydney, Steven Kuzmanovski from Western Sydney and offered a permanent contract to Harry Novillo.

 

First, a look at those departing:

 

 

 

Outs:

 

Damien Duff

Duff was an important creative outlet for City, with 5 assists before an injury in February ended his stint in the A-League. Despite being a constant in City’s front three, Duff rarely got into a scoring position, taking only 1.81 shots per game and scoring just the single goal.

 

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Mate Dugandzic

Though not entirely similar in style to Duff, Dugandzic’s record with Melbourne City was also one of playing provider not finisher. Over the last three seasons, the winger took 1.25 shots per game, and created 1.85 chances for teammates every ninety minutes. The radars show that compared to his peers, he performed well in this regard, but ultimately it appears his more one-dimensional nature – he is very good in a counter-attacking side looking to get behind the opposition’s defence – may have contributed to not having his contract renewed.

 

 

Iain Ramsay

Ramsay endured an inconsistent two seasons with City after moving from Adelaide for the 2013/14 season. After moving to fullback at times, the winger was ultimately unable to establish himself in the side and was released at the end of last season. After a reasonable goal return for the Reds in 2012/13, he produced a more creative season for his first in Melbourne. He scored 2 goals last time out, but with very limited game time.

 

*Games where Ramsay started as a full-back have been removed from the 2014-15 radar*

 

Ins:

Harry Novillo

Novillo was a revelation for City after joining as an injury replacement for Duff. Where the outs for City’s wingers and wide forwards had largely been creative outlets, the former French youth international added a much needed goal threat to City’s attack, with 3 goals in 687 minutes. With 6.03 shots per 90 minutes, he had more attempts at goal than any other player has during the last 3 A-league seasons and with 2.88 dribbles per match is ranked in the top 5% of attackers.

 

Having signed a two-year deal this week, Novillo will be looking to cement a permanent spot in what will be a new-look City attack next season. Although primarily a wide player, and with a decent scoring record so far, improvement in his shooting accuracy and ability to convert his high shot volume into goals will be the key.

 

 

Corey Gameiro

He only has 1810 minutes of A-League action to his name, but Gameiro could prove a fantastic signing for City. Although he has contributed only one fewer assists (4) than goals (5) in this time, his efforts last season with season indicate the role he can player as a wide forward and a goal threat. His creative output has remained similar across the three seasons, with a return to the higher shot counts last year before his season-ending knee injury.

 

Over the three years, he has averaged nearly three times as many shots than shot assists per 90 minutes.

 

 

 

Steve Kuzmanovski

The final new player (so far) has only 287 minutes of senior A-League minutes to his name. Whilst is yet to score a goal, with 3.14 shots and 4.08 successful dribbles per 90 minutes for Western Sydney last season, the young attacker could provide a similar goal threat from wider areas next season after signing with City – who he trained with following an AIS scholarship and before joining the Wanderers.

 

 

 

A new direction?

hese signings signal a shift in what City’s wide players are going to provide. Where the previous players, particularly Duff and Dugandzic, were primarily concerned with creating chances, the new arrivals are more constant goal threats.

 

[I think the "players in" and "players out" categories are mixed up --Murfy1]

 

Rather than looking to feed their teammates, Novillo, Gameiro and Kuzmanovski prefer to get into scoring positions themselves. Between them, they take 2 more shots per game than those departing the club and score nearly twice as many goals. On the other hand, Duff, Ramsay and Dugandzic provided nearly twice as many chances to their teammates.

 

With Kennedy now departed, there is also a vacancy for a central striker. It could be that Robert Koren could move there as a more creative false nine – his lack of mobility last season when played in midfield was obvious – as there are now more goal threats from wider positions.

 

Alternatively, I wonder if this guy is available:

 

 

 

 

https://galbertson.wordpress.com/2015/07/01/a-league-transfers-melbourne-citys-wingers/

Edited July 1, 2015 by Murfy1

[pattyd89]

WOW. Someone was clearly bored. But interesting to note that we should be peppering the goals this year! 

[thisphantomfortress]

WOW. Someone was clearly bored. But interesting to note that we should be peppering the goals this year!

Murfy1 doesn't fuck about mate.

[tommac]

This is good stuff. I think the fact that we are looking for more goals from our wingers/inside forwards means a few things. Firstly, I think we will sign an attacking left full back or play Garruccio at LB- our full backs will provide the width in attack, and our wingers will drift inside as we move further into the attacking third. I also think it will mean we'll be playing more patiently with less direct passing up to a number 9. With inverted wingers the key is playing the ball to feet- and keeping it- in order to allow your fullbacks to get forward and provide that width. This could also mean we won't be after a direct target man #9 type striker to replace Kennedy, but rather a false 9 type who can find space in between the lines. A Saviola- type will do nicely thanks CFG. 

Edited July 2, 2015 by tommac

[HEARTinator]

What to do with Koren?

"With Kennedy now departed, there is also a vacancy for a central striker. It could be that Robert Koren could move there as a more creative false nine – his lack of mobility last season when played in midfield was obvious – as there are now more goal threats from wider positions."

Would prefer a recognised, proven striker up front than fcuk about with Koren as a false nine. Muscrat brought in the Albanian and it reaped immediate rewards scoring 13. Look at SFC with Janko and Burns at the Nux. All the teams that finished higher than us had the better goal scorers. Blind Freddie knows what JVS should do  

 

2014/15 season

			Rank Player Club Goals 1 Marc Janko Sydney FC 16 2 Besart Berisha Melbourne Victory 13 Nathan Burns Wellington Phoenix 4 Andy Keogh Perth Glory 12 5 Archie Thompson Melbourne Victory 10 6 Roy Krishna Wellington Phoenix 9 Jamie Maclaren Perth Glory 8 Henrique Brisbane Roar 8 Pablo Sánchez Adelaide United Shane Smeltz Sydney FC

[Murfy1]

Murfy1 doesn't fuck about mate.

Wish it was my handiwork. Very good stuff from Gilbert Albertson at galbertson.wordpress.com

 

Perhaps I'll have a crack at writing some stuff later this pre-season

[thisphantomfortress]

 

Wish it was my handiwork. Very good stuff from Gilbert Albertson at galbertson.wordpress.com

 

Perhaps I'll have a crack at writing some stuff later this pre-season

you've had enough well thought out posts in the past to earn the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

[Murfy1]

With Hoffman reportedly set to depart I became curious who are the longest serving players at Melbourne Heart/City, and how long players remain at Melbourne City. Here are the numbers:

 

 

57% of the players to wear a club jersey were at the club for 1 season or less (and it's roughly 50% when guest players and injury replacement players are excluded)

 

83% of the players to wear a club jersey only stayed for 2 seasons or less 

 

Over the club's 5 season history, only 12 players have played for the club for more than 2 seasons:

 

3 seasons

Bolton

Marrone

Colosimo

Thompson

Babalj

Redmayne

 

4 seasons

Behich

Germano

Williams

Dugandzic

 

5 seasons

Hoffman

Kalmar (he was signed for 5 seasons, although he technically only was at the club for 4 and a half seasons)

 

The top ten list of appearances for Melbourne City FC reads:

1. David Williams - 91 games

2. Aziz Behich - 89  

3. Matt Thompson - 82

4. Jason Hoffman - 80

5. Mate Dugandzic - 75

6. Clint Bolton - 70

7. Michael Marrone - 70

8. Nick Kalmar - 69 

9. Simon Colosimo - 64

10. Jonatan Germano - 56

 

 

 

 

A few nice things above, but it's hardly a roll call of the A-League's greatest players (or even Melbourne City's greatest players). A challenge for Melbourne City now is to be more long-term, and to sign up a foundation of several players or so who can be at the club for 3 or more seasons. Happily there's been a few good early signs with Kisnorbo getting a new 1 year deal (to play his 3rd season at the club), Franjic signing a 3 year deal, and Novillo and Gameiro signing multi-year deals with the club, and hopefully we hear some more good news before the season starts.     

Edited July 15, 2015 by Murfy1

[jw1739]

That list says pretty much everything about Heart/City.

[NewConvert]

With Hoffman reportedly set to depart I became curious who are the longest serving players at Melbourne Heart/City, and how long players remain at Melbourne City. Here are the numbers:

 

 

57% of the players to wear a club jersey were at the club for 1 season or less (and it's roughly 50% when guest players and injury replacement players are excluded)

 

83% of the players to wear a club jersey only stayed for 2 seasons or less 

 

Over the club's 5 season history, only 12 players have played for the club for more than 2 seasons:

 

3 seasons

Bolton

Marrone

Colosimo

Thompson

Babalj

Redmayne

 

4 seasons

Behich

Germano

Williams

Dugandzic

 

5 seasons

Hoffman

Kalmar (he was signed for 5 seasons, although he technically only was at the club for 4 and a half seasons)

 

The top ten list of appearances for Melbourne City FC reads:

1. David Williams - 91 games

2. Aziz Behich - 89  

3. Matt Thompson - 82

4. Jason Hoffman - 80

5. Mate Dugandzic - 75

6. Clint Bolton - 70

7. Michael Marrone - 70

8. Nick Kalmar - 69 

9. Simon Colosimo - 64

10. Jonatan Germano - 56

 

 

 

 

A few nice things above, but it's hardly a roll call of the A-League's greatest players (or even Melbourne City's greatest players). A challenge for Melbourne City now is to be more long-term, and to sign up a foundation of several players or so who can be at the club for 3 or more seasons. Happily there's been a few good early signs with Kisnorbo getting a new 1 year deal (to play his 3rd season at the club), Franjic signing a 3 year deal, and Novillo and Gameiro signing multi-year deals with the club, and hopefully we hear some more good news before the season starts.     

I am not sure that the A-League or football is really suited to long term careers for most players. For starters if you are young and get an enticing offer from Europe you are more than likely to take it rather than stay in the A-League because he is not likely to die wondering whether he could have made it on a bigger stage. If you don't get an offer when young or don't make it there and as you begin contemplating retirement, and a petro-club comes along with an offer that will really set you up for life why wouldn't you take it. I would suspect that if you spend your entire career in the A-League, like Broxham, it will be because you are not good enough to play anywhere else.

There will be exceptions, Archie at MV is an exception, but I don't believe that it will be a very long list.

 

 

[KSK_47]

 

10. Jonatan Germano - 56

 

A guy who has only played 40% of the games he has been payed to play makes the top 10

[Torn Asunder]

These stats are pretty interesting to play around with.  

http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/article/stats-breakown-melbourne-victory-v-melbourne-city/1qf4wg2ikm5c1t7woabxj518d

Paartalu's stats aren't too bad comparatively .... better than Koren

Also, against the tards we noticeably favoured the left side in attack. 

 

  

[Kinnibari]

I thought it was interesting to compare Chapman's passes to Kisnorbo's: he made significantly less but had a much higher success rate. Perhaps he only passed when he felt confident.

[Kinnibari]

Turns out that of our 73 away trips, we've only won 14 of them.

[Murfy1]

After the last match I decided to look at how many games Melbourne Heart/City has capitulated in (that is, dropped points in games where Heart/City was leading) and how many games Melbourne Heart/City has fought back in (that is, gained points from games where the team was trailing). Here are the stats:

 

*Straightforward games are games where the team that first scored ultimately won, and nil-nil draws.

*A capitulation is a game Melbourne City dropped points in after leading (e.g. +1 to -1 loss means the team was up one goal and lost by 1 goal, for example 1-0 and then 1-2 FT) 

*A fightback is the opposite to a capitulation, that is how often Melbourne City has gained points after conceding first.

*BTW the straightforward games losses + the fightbacks = the number of times Melbourne Heart/City conceded first in a season

 

 

Season One (Melbourne Heart's first season, 2010/11, 31 matches)

 

*The biggest fightback, the -2 to draw match, was the third Melbourne Derby (2-2 at Etihad, Aloisi with the brace)

 

Season Two (28 matches inc finals match)

 

* The only fightback win this season was the Christmas derby (3-2 win)

 

Season Three (27 matches)

 

Season Four under Aloisi (12 matches)

 

Season Four under JVS (15 matches)

 

* the 2 "+1 to draws" were 2-2 draws away (both against Adelaide), where the opponent scored first, Melbourne Heart scored twice but conceded late. The last lead change is counted, hence these games are counted as capitulations rather than fightbacks

 

Season Five (Melbourne City's first season, 29 matches inc finals)

 

 

Total stats over the club's history, 146 games (inc this season)

 

 

Some observations:

- Over 146 games, Melbourne City have dropped points in 30 games, with 20 games ending in draws and 10 games ending in defeat (like last Friday). So about 1 in every 5 games

- Melbourne City have fallen behind in 68 games, and have only fought back to gain points in 19 games of those games. So Melbourne City doesn't fightback and simply loses in 72% of games where the team concedes first

- The team has only come back from a 2 goal deficit twice (the 2-2 derby draw with the Aloisi brace, and the 3-3 draw in 2013/14 with the Migliorini brace). The team has never won after trailing by 2 goals

- Friday's loss ranks as one of the club's worst three capitulations (3-2 loss to Wellington away [where Mebrahtu scored a free kick], Friday's 3-2 loss against Newcastle and last season's 5-2 derby loss). It was one of 3 times where the team has squandered a lead of two goals or more to lose

Edited November 2, 2015 by Murfy1

[playmaker]

^^^^^ Awesome ^^^^^

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[jw1739]

The quantitative analysis confirms all the anecdotal evidence. Murf, please send those graphs to the club! Great work. If I read that last chart correctly, to date we have only ever come from behind to win 7 times in 146 matches? That's really staggering, and says it all.

 

[Murfy1]

The quantitative analysis confirms all the anecdotal evidence. Murf, please send those graphs to the club! Great work. If I read that last chart correctly, to date we have only ever come from behind to win 7 times in 146 matches? That's really staggering, and says it all.

 

Correct. It's pretty easy to remember all 7 games we've come from behind to win in:

 

2014/15

- 2-1 win at AAMI against WSW

- 3-1 win at AAMI against Adelaide

2013/14

- 3-1 win at AAMI against Newcastle

- 2-1 win at AAMI against Sydney

2012/13

- No fightbacks to win

2011/12

- 3-2 win at AAMI in the Xmas Melb Derby

2010/11

- 3-2 win away against NQ Fury

- 2-1 win away against Adelaide

 

 

Personally, the small number of fightbacks disappoints me more than the significant number of games we've dropped points in (capitulated). All too ironic for a club originally named Melbourne Heart..

[kingofhearts]

I love you murf <3

[KSK_47]

A friend of mine informed me of an interesting stat - we are the only club in the league to have never been top of the ladder

Edited November 16, 2015 by KSK_47

[hakz7]

17 minutes ago, KSK_47 said:

A friend of mine informed me of an interesting stat - we are the only club in the league to have never been top of the ladder

That's laughable. I think the only time was when we won the derby which was the season opener in 2012-13.

[KSK_47]

9 minutes ago, hakz7 said:

That's laughable. I think the only time was when we won the derby which was the season opener in 2012-13.

Oh shit. I forgot about that. Even so, thats pretty shocking

[recyclosaurusrex]

51 minutes ago, KSK_47 said:

A friend of mine informed me of an interesting stat - we are the only club in the league to have never been top of the ladder

We were on top briefly during the Newcastle game a few weeks ago. Don't you remember the terrace all sung about it....

[KSK_47]

3 minutes ago, recyclosaurusrex said:

We were on top briefly during the Newcastle game a few weeks ago. Don't you remember the terrace all sung about it....

Haha. Oh what a night!

[Jovan]

Need to change our name and it must start with AA at least at the start of every season we can top the league.