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Jovan    3,889
3 hours ago, haz said:

Doubt he will come here, but it is a strange signing for Manchester and he would be A-League level. 

Voted most overated player😀

That's all we need a lock for the spud of the year.

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jw1739    9,043
3 hours ago, haz said:

Doubt he will come here, but it is a strange signing for Manchester and he would be A-League level. 

What a strange signing - and for four-and-a-half years? 

Edit: Here's a completely different take on the transfer. https://au.eurosport.com/football/mix-diskeruds-manchester-city-move-is-not-all-that-it-seems_sto6502316/story.shtml

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1 hour ago, Dylan said:

Do people forget what CFG did with Carceras and Brattan or something?

Neither of them were already playing for a CFG club at time of signing my Manchester though... 

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Falastur    631

There's another aspect of the Mix signing that people here probably aren't aware of.

MLS is actually even more obtuse with its bizarre rules and restrictions than the A-League, and one of those is that players often get signed to contracts with indefinite ends due to a bewildering array of extension clauses that can often be triggered without necessarily having everyone's agreement, and which often are not publicised anyway. Furthermore, players are technically signed to the league not to individual clubs, and the league simply allocates them to clubs based on details of the transfer.

Mix was signed by NYCFC for their first season back in 2015 on very high wages as he was expected to be a centrepiece of the team, but by the end of their second season it was clear that Patrick Vieira didn't rate him and he would have to go. They wanted to sell him but couldn't find any takers, so used a MLS rule which states that clubs can terminate any one player's contract without being hit by salary cap penalties (mutual termination clauses etc) but due to MLS rules his contract wasn't terminated with MLS itself. MLS could have made him available for signing by any other MLS club but it was decided ultimately to loan him to a club in Sweden, probably due to lack of interest. All the NYCFC fans assumed that that was the end of it...until it wasn't. Stories kept popping up that due to MLS rules he was still somehow bound to NYCFC and they would have to put him back in the squad if they couldn't transfer him. Under those circumstances, and with no-one else willing to take him, it suddenly makes a lot more sense that Manchester City agreed to sign him for free.

Also he definitely isn't coming to Melbourne, as all the reports state that he will not be sent to another CFG team. To all intents and purposes it seems that CFG have basically done a deal with him where they will let him train in Manchester for a while and find him a new club if he will agree to get off NYCFC's salary books.

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Dylan    4,751

Always found it ironic that America is supposed to be land of the free and all that crap, yet they seem to love a fucken rule book in their sports don’t they

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Embee    3,000
4 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/01/30/mariners-set-cut-duo-loose

I wonder why we're interested? He hasn't set the world on fire this season.

Looked pretty good when he first came onto the scene IMO, you don't rack up 50 A-League games by the time you're 20 if you don't show something. Also, not many players in that side have set the world on fire this season, the Mariners are crap.

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6 minutes ago, belaguttman said:

Not a bad player but is he any better than any of our existing NYL players or does he have more potential?

Proven performer at this level by age 20, sure he probably wouldn't cut it in Europe but as @Embee said you don't pick up 50 games by being a spud.

On the NYL team though the Cfg have been keeping our young guys well under wraps until they're completely ready to this point and it's paid dividends so far imo with both Atkinson and Arzani being almost complete products by the time they made the team. Too many players come in too early as raw talent in this league. Cfg avoiding that mistake. 

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bt50    4,562

Rose would be a good signing imo, even if just for depth. Would add a backup to Malik and Brattan, and may even eventually overtake them at some point. Prob more a signing that benefits an ACL campaign next season rather than this season tbh.

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Murfy1    3,291

Melbourne City looked at signing Liam Rose in April 2016 : "All of that must be concerning to Liam Rose, the highly rated 19-year-old who was an almost ever-present for the Mariners this year. Rose has a year left in Gosford, but we hear Melbourne City are very keen on reuniting him with Nick Fitzgerald and Anthony Cacares." (source)

 

On paper it seems funny signing another midfielder. However, I agree that Liam Rose would be good backup if either Malik or Brattan become injured or unable to play. Joyce seems to prefer Budzinski and Mauk in more attacking/advanced positions. Also, then Jakobsen will thankfully be able to continue playing in defence if we have Rose as cover for Malik and Brattan.

 

The one thing to be weary about with this signing is it taking up precious salary cap money, which could perhaps be used to pay Aston Villa for a loan fee for McCormack for the remainder of the season. The latter piece of business should be concluded first IMO.

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haz    3,943
15 minutes ago, Murfy1 said:

The one thing to be weary about with this signing is it taking up precious salary cap money, which could perhaps be used to pay Aston Villa for a loan fee for McCormack for the remainder of the season. The latter piece of business should be concluded first IMO.

I think CGF will be all over this, nothing to worry about

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n i k o    5,991
15 minutes ago, Murfy1 said:

Melbourne City looked at signing Liam Rose in April 2016 : "All of that must be concerning to Liam Rose, the highly rated 19-year-old who was an almost ever-present for the Mariners this year. Rose has a year left in Gosford, but we hear Melbourne City are very keen on reuniting him with Nick Fitzgerald and Anthony Cacares." (source)

 

Research qualities: 10/10

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neio    801

I don't mind Liam rose, he was coming along nicely as a defensive midfielder then they went and got the 2 Dutch guys 

He will be cheap and provides cover and a bit of flexibility

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kingofhearts    3,773

I don't care what anybody says, even if we sign this kids, their will only ever be one rose who played for this club.

Joshua+Rose+Melbourne+City+FC+Headshots+Session+JHaeuaMyc3ol.jpg

:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

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bellydrum    186
6 hours ago, bt50 said:

Prob more a signing that benefits an ACL campaign next season rather than this season tbh.

Like you say it's a signing primarily for next season, with Malik and Brattan's future at the club yet to be decided.

Good pickup if we get him

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belaguttman    4,271
31 minutes ago, kingofhearts said:

I don't care what anybody says, even if we sign this kids, their will only ever be one rose who played for this club.

Joshua+Rose+Melbourne+City+FC+Headshots+Session+JHaeuaMyc3ol.jpg

:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

A Rose by any other name...

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Falastur    631
19 hours ago, Dylan said:

Always found it ironic that America is supposed to be land of the free and all that crap, yet they seem to love a fucken rule book in their sports don’t they

I always found it ironic that America based much of its identity in the 20th Century on being in every way anti-Communist and yet their sports systems are so incredibly socialist, what with the extreme number of ways they have of ensuring that the worst-performing sides get first dibs on new players, all merchandising revenue being shared equally between all clubs and all the rules preventing owners from spending their money to improve their teams.

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Dylan    4,751
44 minutes ago, Falastur said:

I always found it ironic that America based much of its identity in the 20th Century on being in every way anti-Communist and yet their sports systems are so incredibly socialist, what with the extreme number of ways they have of ensuring that the worst-performing sides get first dibs on new players, all merchandising revenue being shared equally between all clubs and all the rules preventing owners from spending their money to improve their teams.

Spot on.

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bt50    4,562
3 hours ago, Falastur said:

I always found it ironic that America based much of its identity in the 20th Century on being in every way anti-Communist and yet their sports systems are so incredibly socialist, what with the extreme number of ways they have of ensuring that the worst-performing sides get first dibs on new players, all merchandising revenue being shared equally between all clubs and all the rules preventing owners from spending their money to improve their teams.

Tbf, there's a pretty big difference between communism and socialism.

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fensaddler    1,055

Similar observations could be made about Australia. It projects an image of being a place founded on the values of maverick, outlaw bushmen and larrikins, but is actually a place where people stand by the side of an empty road waiting for lights to tell them when it's safe to cross...

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Jovan    3,889
3 hours ago, fensaddler said:

Similar observations could be made about Australia. It projects an image of being a place founded on the values of maverick, outlaw bushmen and larrikins, but is actually a place where people stand by the side of an empty road waiting for lights to tell them when it's safe to cross...

More often than not with their mouth open.

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Dylan    4,751
3 hours ago, fensaddler said:

Similar observations could be made about Australia. It projects an image of being a place founded on the values of maverick, outlaw bushmen and larrikins, but is actually a place where people stand by the side of an empty road waiting for lights to tell them when it's safe to cross...

Oh yeah this is absolutely true.

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Falastur    631
3 hours ago, bt50 said:

Tbf, there's a pretty big difference between communism and socialism.

True, but my point still stands. America is not generally a country which is willing to promote socialist attitudes...

I do remember once reading an American arguing that their sporting system was the capitalist style instead and that the "European" style was socialist. I've always struggled to get my head around how that works. I think it was something to do with the fact that the league set-up may promote equality but it is far more geared towards ensuring that rich club owners only get richer, but I don't recall it being a very strong argument.

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bt50    4,562
3 minutes ago, Falastur said:

True, but my point still stands. America is not generally a country which is willing to promote socialist attitudes...

I do remember once reading an American arguing that their sporting system was the capitalist style instead and that the "European" style was socialist. I've always struggled to get my head around how that works. I think it was something to do with the fact that the league set-up may promote equality but it is far more geared towards ensuring that rich club owners only get richer, but I don't recall it being a very strong argument.

I'd suggest there's a large portion of America trying to force socialism at the moment (Oh hai Hillary).

Re sports yeh i suppose it depends which way you look at it. Socialistic in the regard that the leagues impose salary caps, luxury taxes and rules in order to achieve equality of success, not dissimilar to the AFL, but that 'socialism' is ultimately aimed at maximising profits to the owners in a capitalistic sense, as fans that think they have a better chance of winning are more likely to be engaged and spend money etc. 

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haz    3,943
22 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

So, no last-minute signings? Wonder what happened with Liam Rose?

Just needs to sign the paper before the 31st, no need to announce before

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Murfy1    3,291

Davutovic's latest report on Melbourne City's transfer activity (posted January 31st):
 

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Hi MCY, Melbourne City has around 24 hours to get a deal done with McCormack, so it's going to be difficult I suspect. Luckily, as I reported 2 days ago, Bruno Fornaroli is edging closer to a return - possibly back in a fortnight.

 

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[Discussing if MCFC are going after Liam Rose] Not sure about that one. Chasing it up today

 

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Hey mate, they [Melbourne City] are certainly active in this transfer window - they are looking for an attacker. They have a visa spot up their sleeve due to Brandan's exit, but Carrusca had an Aussie passport. McCormack would've filled that visa spot - I wouldn't rule out them signing a visa player after the window closes (would need to be a free agent).

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/teams/melbourne-city/daniel-arzani-could-be-australian-soccers-next-1-million-man/news-story/56f7fc83b950796ac216e400d27cff58

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jw1739    9,043
10 hours ago, haz said:

Just needs to sign the paper before the 31st, no need to announce before

Not quite. If the player is to be eligible to play this season he has to obtain a release from his existing club before he can join another. Unless this all happened late last night, a deal with Rose for this season looks dead.

All up it looks as though we're not adding to the squad during this window.

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Missing_Moy    163

Still allowed to sign Free agents which there would be plenty around now after expecting to get a gig in Europe if CFG want to sign a Visa player they will!

Honestly dont know what positon we need to strengthen maybe a left sided winger/midfielder ?

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Deeming    619

So the window closes and we are 2 players down (plus down an injury replacement) and have a visa spot unused. Poor management. 

 

In 
Dario Vidosic 
Harrison Delbridge

Out 
Tim Cahill 
Fernando Brandan
Marcello Carrusca 
Neil Kilkenny 
Ross McCormack *injury replacement ended*

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bt50    4,562
53 minutes ago, Deeming said:

So the window closes and we are 2 players down (plus down an injury replacement) and have a visa spot unused. Poor management. 

 

In 
Dario Vidosic 
Harrison Delbridge

Out 
Tim Cahill 
Fernando Brandan
Marcello Carrusca 
Neil Kilkenny 
Ross McCormack *injury replacement ended*

If you put McCormack as an out you have to put Bruno as an in...

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Jovan    3,889
10 minutes ago, bt50 said:

If you put McCormack as an out you have to put Bruno as an in...

True. Unless god forbid he doesn't play. 

But its a valid point the outs double the ins. Also add that young boy Roberts left for Wanderers and you could say Atkinson is also an out for the season and no injury replacement.

So effectively 6 out Cahill, Carrusca, Kilkenny,  Brandan Roberts and Atkinson.  Ins 2 Vidosic and Delbridge. McCormack straight swap for Bruno.

As mentioned earlier by others wiser than I expect some ins shortly.

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jw1739    9,043

There's a summary of the transfer movements here: https://www.a-league.com.au/news/transfer-centre-hyundai-a-league-player-movement

I would say out of all the clubs Newcastle have come out of it the best - two very good acquisitions.

John Roberts is listed as an "in" for Wanderers, but isn't listed as an "out" for City - he should be.

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