NewConvert Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Jovan said: Actually the current situation is worse. Fitting 3 visas in the cap inevitably result in visa player 4 or 5 being bang average. Having 4 or 5 players of higher quality will reduce the journeyman, add younger youth players also exempt from the cap will leave more cash in the cap for quality Socceroo types. The salary cap was designed to keep the league equal and give everyone an equal chance, but in reality it has created an environment were mediocre players are protected youth players have limited opportunities and foreign players are basically no improvement on whats available locally. There will always be stronger richer clubs regardless of the system. The time has come to remove some of the restrictions and give the league a chance to develop. Having a team 5 or so wins ahead after 20 games is not really even, and credit to them they deserve where they are. Are you talking about Liverpool? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, NewConvert said: Are you talking about Liverpool? Sydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Jovan said: Sydney Playing it with a straight bat. 21 hours ago, Jovan said: Actually the current situation is worse. Fitting 3 visas in the cap inevitably result in visa player 4 or 5 being bang average. Having 4 or 5 players of higher quality will reduce the journeyman, add younger youth players also exempt from the cap will leave more cash in the cap for quality Socceroo types. The salary cap was designed to keep the league equal and give everyone an equal chance, but in reality it has created an environment were mediocre players are protected youth players have limited opportunities and foreign players are basically no improvement on whats available locally. There will always be stronger richer clubs regardless of the system. The time has come to remove some of the restrictions and give the league a chance to develop. Having a team 5 or so wins ahead after 20 games is not really even, and credit to them they deserve where they are. I tend to agree that having three visa players under the cap can lead to the fourth and fifth player being average but that also comes down to scouting. Also, the underlying assumption is that the home grown talent is not up to scratch. What I haven't seen is a team deliberately aim to bring in three visa players and leave the other two for local talent/youth players. I suspect that having three quality players with a higher salary each either through the spine or up front (I prefer the spine) and the rest with some talented youth then they would fare no worse than the current line ups and more likely would do better. Right now international scouting is left to the clubs but it may be worth considering having an A-League wide international scouting network that would enable all clubs to use the services and able to hire players in a better fashion. Did the salary cap lead to having mediocre journeyman in the A-League? Not sure and the idea has merit. Another idea is that coaches are sacked if the team fares poorly and this could be part of the reason. However, too many international players suffer prolonged injuries leaving the side unbalanced and likely inexperienced. Melbourne City is not the only one with a Germano Treatment Centre. I am not sure what the solution is to this dilemma but I suspect that you will find the same problem world wide. I will also note that The Guardian credits the rise of Liverpool to the Fair Salary policy introduced by UEFA. So the salary cap is not that far removed from what is happening in Europe. What I find frustrating is that many fans can see potential in a lot of youth players but seldom do the coaches. My preference would be for clubs to be able to trade players or even lease players throughout the season rather than through the transfer window. The ability for clubs to sell players to other clubs and not necessarily through a straight cash deal. For example we could buy D'Agostino for some cash and throw Wales in as part of the deal. Also the ability for players to train and play in the NPL. I fear that removing the salary cap will lead the A-League to go the way of the NSL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 9 hours ago, NewConvert said: Playing it with a straight bat. I tend to agree that having three visa players under the cap can lead to the fourth and fifth player being average but that also comes down to scouting. Also, the underlying assumption is that the home grown talent is not up to scratch. What I haven't seen is a team deliberately aim to bring in three visa players and leave the other two for local talent/youth players. I suspect that having three quality players with a higher salary each either through the spine or up front (I prefer the spine) and the rest with some talented youth then they would fare no worse than the current line ups and more likely would do better. Right now international scouting is left to the clubs but it may be worth considering having an A-League wide international scouting network that would enable all clubs to use the services and able to hire players in a better fashion. Did the salary cap lead to having mediocre journeyman in the A-League? Not sure and the idea has merit. Another idea is that coaches are sacked if the team fares poorly and this could be part of the reason. However, too many international players suffer prolonged injuries leaving the side unbalanced and likely inexperienced. Melbourne City is not the only one with a Germano Treatment Centre. I am not sure what the solution is to this dilemma but I suspect that you will find the same problem world wide. I will also note that The Guardian credits the rise of Liverpool to the Fair Salary policy introduced by UEFA. So the salary cap is not that far removed from what is happening in Europe. What I find frustrating is that many fans can see potential in a lot of youth players but seldom do the coaches. My preference would be for clubs to be able to trade players or even lease players throughout the season rather than through the transfer window. The ability for clubs to sell players to other clubs and not necessarily through a straight cash deal. For example we could buy D'Agostino for some cash and throw Wales in as part of the deal. Also the ability for players to train and play in the NPL. I fear that removing the salary cap will lead the A-League to go the way of the NSL. Well tbf to coaches. They see them all week every week when fans might see some once of flashy thing in a game and think they are the next messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dylan said: Well tbf to coaches. They see them all week every week when fans might see some once of flashy thing in a game and think they are the next messi Oath. Dont get me wrong, i think he has a future, but Denis Genreau is fast becoming Jeremy Walker 2.0 on this forum and across our fan base. Edited February 26, 2020 by bt50 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 hours ago, bt50 said: Oath. Dont get me wrong, i think he has a future, but Denis Genreau is fast becoming Jeremy Walker 2.0 on this forum and across our fan base. We just need someone to believe in, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: We just need someone to believe in, that's all. Atkinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IssySG Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 hours ago, jw1739 said: We just need someone to believe in, that's all. Metcalfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 Jebus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, bt50 said: Jebus 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citymad Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 On 27/02/2020 at 5:49 AM, bt50 said: Oath. Dont get me wrong, i think he has a future, but Denis Genreau is fast becoming Jeremy Walker 2.0 on this forum and across our fan base. Poster on FTBL has Genreau to Macarthur Bulls next season - can anyone confirm as true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 22 hours ago, citymad said: Poster on FTBL has Genreau to Macarthur Bulls next season - can anyone confirm as true? Ah but will The Bulls be there ? With all the resignations etc it seems very fragile at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted March 11, 2020 Report Share Posted March 11, 2020 Until there is some confirmation from either them or us, I wouldnt take alot of notice. If you believe everyone they have signed in past 6 months, they have a squad of 281 players next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted March 13, 2020 Report Share Posted March 13, 2020 Wales to Western united? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HughJass said: Wales to Western united? If that's true I think he's damn fortunate to have an opportunity to be picked up by another aleague club. If I were him I'd take it and try make the most of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citymad Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 hours ago, HughJass said: Wales to Western united? Sauce on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 I would have thought any decisions in the present uncertain situation would be premature. Even though next season is a long time away, we don't even know whether it will take place at all. Today's news coming out of Italy is pretty sobering reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 Reading the above, I thiought what kind of player would strengthen the team for next season? thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Originalmeme Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 a proper 10, that is consistently good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 4 hours ago, citymad said: Sauce on that? Random comment on 442 forum in the arzani thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HughJass said: Random comment on 442 forum in the arzani thread In before it was one of the other bench players who can't understand how LW still gets game time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted March 14, 2020 Report Share Posted March 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Originalmeme said: a proper 10, that is consistently good. Yes. At the game tonight my brother and another bloke sitting in front of us said the same thing. The teams needs a consistent quality #10. Berenguer is not it and for what ever reason neither Metcalfe nor Genreau are being given sufficient game time to prove that they should be it. We also noted that Wales should not be re-signed nor should Jamieson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 16, 2020 Report Share Posted March 16, 2020 Azani looking for a new club, it wouldn't be a bad move to come back here for a season or two. https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arzani-s-advisors-planning-for-life-after-celtic-in-critical-career-move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citymad Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 On 16/03/2020 at 12:45 PM, moops said: Azani looking for a new club, it wouldn't be a bad move to come back here for a season or two. https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arzani-s-advisors-planning-for-life-after-celtic-in-critical-career-move This would be good but I don’t see it happening unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 11 hours ago, citymad said: This would be good but I don’t see it happening unfortunately Apparently he has come back home, the SPL has shut down so he is probably hanging with family. Get on the blower Petrilo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 31 minutes ago, moops said: Apparently he has come back home, the SPL has shut down so he is probably hanging with family. Get on the blower Petrilo. Guest stint 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Atkinson the worry need to Retain him. He’s been a regular starter for us. Don’t care about Wales or Genreau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, CityBoyz said: Atkinson the worry need to Retain him. He’s been a regular starter for us. Don’t care about Wales or Genreau Will there even be a MacArthur and Western United next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Interesting that Genreau has been listed as a transfer to Macarthur on Transfer Markt for a few weeks now Also what's Perth obsession with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Atkinson to Perth makes absolutely no sense, he isn't likely to displace franjic. And he won't get a go as an attacking option The other 2, good luck to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IssySG Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Sad to say it but time to either move Jamo on or relegate him to the bench. Need to retain Atkinson and play him on the right and Galloway on the left 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 hours ago, IssySG said: Sad to say it but time to either move Jamo on or relegate him to the bench. Need to retain Atkinson and play him on the right and Galloway on the left Sad to say? I would be quite happy to say it. Jamo should have been moved on before the start of the season. He isn't good enough to be starting player, is on too much to be a full back and on too much to be on the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Shahanga said: Will there even be a MacArthur and Western United next year? Western should be around, MacArthur is the question mark heard they need to find a few million by June.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mork Posted May 8, 2020 Report Share Posted May 8, 2020 Also heard Najjar to Bulls on loan and Najjarine looking to get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 Fucking hard to attract support to this club and then to maintain it with the turnover of players every season. Where is this club actually going? I'm almost over it TBH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Fucking hard to attract support to this club and then to maintain it with the turnover of players every season. Where is this club actually going? I'm almost over it TBH. We only have 8 players off contract which are Berenguer, Susaeta, Delbridge, Atkinson, Genreau, Griffiths, Bouzanis and Wales 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, CityBoyz said: We only have 8 players off contract which are Berenguer, Susaeta, Delbridge, Atkinson, Genreau, Griffiths, Bouzanis and Wales I just don't want to see quality players such as Atkinson and Genreau leave us. Atkinson in particular - IMO far better than Noone going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, jw1739 said: I just don't want to see quality players such as Atkinson and Genreau leave us. Atkinson in particular - IMO far better than Noone going forward. Yeah I agree Atkinson is a must re-sign as his salary is outside the cap due to him being a homegrown player. Wales not fussed about. Genreau is gone can see it Erick hasn’t been playing him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, CityBoyz said: Yeah I agree Atkinson is a must re-sign as his salary is outside the cap due to him being a homegrown player. Wales not fussed about. Genreau is gone can see it Erick hasn’t been playing him. Letting decent home grown players walk out the door when can they can be excluded from the cap makes no sense. You will have to replace them with external players who are probably more expensive and count towards the cap. These guys aren’t even sold so as a club we don’t benefit from it all. It’s those little things such as home grown and loyalty players which puts Sydney above the rest. If Atkinson, Najjar, Wales, Ramy, Genrau all leave it just looks poor “exodus of youth” regardless if they are any good. Najjarine and Atkinson are definitely worth keeping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted May 9, 2020 Report Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Letting decent home grown players walk out the door when can they can be excluded from the cap makes no sense. You will have to replace them with external players who are probably more expensive and count towards the cap. These guys aren’t even sold so as a club we don’t benefit from it all. It’s those little things such as home grown and loyalty players which puts Sydney above the rest. If Atkinson, Najjar, Wales, Ramy, Genrau all leave it just looks poor “exodus of youth” regardless if they are any good. Najjarine and Atkinson are definitely worth keeping. Wales isn’t a homegrown as he made his debut at ccm and came through their youth system Spot on with Sydney point they use every loophole in the book and concession that’s why where they are. Signed up their whole squad for next season and heaps would be on loyalty bonuses outside the cap. Edited May 9, 2020 by CityBoyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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