melbournelad55 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 whilst villa was individually brilliant, you can obviously see the lack of chemistry between him and the team. Was he at fault for not tracking back to mark Elrich (their right back) for their first goal?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlings Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 I hope Duff threw some fucking Bunnings chairs around the change room after the game, cos that was pathetic. Knock some sense into that players ffs. As a previous post mentioned post game when players were hands on hips chatting to each other with the attitude of "ah well, what's on for tonight, least we can pick up our match payments". Fuck that, disgraceful. They should have been boo'd off for their weak dog efforts. Players have no resolve at all and fall to shit once we concede, there is no winning mentality at all in the club at our. We are continuing to accept mediocrity.  I'm really starting to question my 250km round trip to watch these morons give up every week, it's fucking embarrassing. When to opposition score, I don't even get angry, its just inevitable. Something needs to give, bring in the change, give the youth a run, the players need to know that it's a privilege to wear the jersey (that no supporter can fucking get hold of).  Good effort by the Melburnians, chants are coming along well and will get better by the week. Just a shame that our chant to the wings will become redundant when our attendances will dip to below 6k as our winless streak continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Â As a previous post mentioned post game when players were hands on hips chatting to each other with the attitude of "ah well, what's on for tonight, least we can pick up our match payments". Â Â Â I know! This is what perhaps shits me to tears the most! Nobody- the players, JVS, the club officials and even most of our supporters seem to be phased by some extremely troubling patterns that have followed us around like a bad smell since day one. Â Maybe I just have an abnormally short fuse or something but I think waiting 5 years to see some kind of change is pretty reasonable (although admittedly i have been wanting to see change long before now) Edited November 1, 2014 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Murdocca already admitted in 442 magazine that last season the players didn't give 100%-like that surprised anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 And for what it's worth. I don't know how much to read into this what with foxtel controlling the sound that come through the tv, but all I could hear for most of the game were the inbreds chanting. Barely heard the melburnians at all. as I said, it may have just been the tv but still, not great for people watching at home. Although the attendance looked solid! Only positive I've taken from this game. But that'll no doubt decline rapidly if we keep dishing up that kind of crap!!Watching the replay of the first half on SBS2, we sound fairly loud and have heard Adelaide just chant about twice. But maybe in the second half when we were behind it was different. But I think the away fans do sound louder than they should cos they're closer to the cameras and mics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Probably not adding too much to what has been said already, but a few comments.  Who said Melbourne Heart was dead, because that was vintage Heart last night - a bright start and degeneration into a rabble by the end.  Great crowd. Loved the Melburnians' prolonged hand-clap start to their efforts for the evening - absolutely great way to start each match IMO. Was catching on last night, so keep it going.  IMO Adelaide were a class above us. Their passing was so crisp and clean, especially out to their two wingers who ran all over us with pace and position all night. What I felt was that Adelaide let the ball do the work. We're trying to play the same sort of possession game but our blokes require too many touches of the ball before they have it under control and they then run with the ball a few paces before trying to make the pass. That's why we find the gaps in front of us closed off, and we run out of steam as we did in the heat last night, whereas a team like Adelaide does not. All of Mooy, Paartalu, and particularly Hoffman and Murdocca dwelled far too long on the ball last night. How Hoffman and Murdocca could repeatedly lose possession while Duff was waiting for the pass to put him on his way was beyond me; neither should be in a starting XI.  Thought Redmayne was better last night. He was conned into the penalty; Mabau had already begun his dive and lost control of the ball before Remayne collected him.  Our back line so woefully slow. Garuccio is no left-back.  Midfield as above - far too slow to move the ball around and exploit the gaps.  Dugandzic was invisible. Why JvS played Spain's all-time leading goalscorer on the wing  and Dugandzic in the centre is beyond me. Duff was OK, but it wasn't his best game. The usual butchered opportunity from Williams.  The bench: says it all. Adelaide had quality to bring on, whereas we had make-weights.  In the end I felt sadness more than anger. Sad because we just don't seem to be making any steps forward. Edited November 1, 2014 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlings Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 + Â Ivan Maric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Just saw the replay of Villa's run the Williams' miss. Â Fucking disgusting. Â Seriously it wouldve been harder to miss that than putting it into the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melbournehammer Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 I can only assume that last nights performance was designed to bring all the disaffected hearts fans back into the fold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 If we really want to be a serious club we need to ship: Dugandzic, Williams, Germano, Redmayne, Ramsey, Hoffman, Murdocca and of course JVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 What I will say is that there is a very clear lack of confidence in the likes of Murdocca, Paartalu, Hoffman and even Mooy at times to play that killer pass. My brother concurs with you. He saw the game on TV and said that on more than one occasion a good quality pass in the mid-field would have made a world of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 If we really want to be a serious club we need to ship: Dugandzic, Williams, Germano, Redmayne, Ramsey, Hoffman, Murdocca and of course JVS. Williams and Hoffman are signed for 2015/16 as well, so they will be staying. The others should all be out of contract at the end of 2014/15. If JvS is still here then he needs to be under strict controls from Manchester or he might re-sign one or more of them - Dugandzic is a favourite of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 The owners didn't take us seriously.   At some stage we will get their attention with how bad we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 .............. Â IMO Adelaide were a class above us. Their passing was so crisp and clean, especially out to their two wingers who ran all over us with pace and position all night. What I felt was that Adelaide let the ball do the work. We're trying to play the same sort of possession game but our blokes require too many touches of the ball before they have it under control and they then run with the ball a few paces before trying to make the pass. ............. Â Â Its been said that Gombau actually began with the basic mechanics of trapping and passing a ball when he took over, so shit were the skills of the local players he had. Â Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Duff is pissed off because he hasnt played with spuds like this since he was in primary school , bet he cant wait to leave either ,shame really plus still think he should be playin on left where he can whip balls in not keep checking back on right wing cos he is left footed ! Fulham were seriously shite last year........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014  ..............  IMO Adelaide were a class above us. Their passing was so crisp and clean, especially out to their two wingers who ran all over us with pace and position all night. What I felt was that Adelaide let the ball do the work. We're trying to play the same sort of possession game but our blokes require too many touches of the ball before they have it under control and they then run with the ball a few paces before trying to make the pass. .............   Its been said that Gombau actually began with the basic mechanics of trapping and passing a ball when he took over, so shit were the skills of the local players he had.  Unbelievable.  It is unbelievable.  As in I don't believe it.  You want to make a substantial difference in your (or a player's) touch, it takes a long time.  Years even.  I think the FFA say 5 years?  Can't remember now, but its a bloody long time.  That's why the technical director of my club basically said, don't go for tactics to get a win boys (with the juniors), when they get to seniors we can teach them that in a few weeks.  Improve their skills- that takes years and (paraphrasing here) if they haven't got the skills by the time they rock up in the firsts, we are buggered.  You have guys in an A League squad that can't play?  Get new players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 We are so shit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014   ..............  IMO Adelaide were a class above us. Their passing was so crisp and clean, especially out to their two wingers who ran all over us with pace and position all night. What I felt was that Adelaide let the ball do the work. We're trying to play the same sort of possession game but our blokes require too many touches of the ball before they have it under control and they then run with the ball a few paces before trying to make the pass. .............   Its been said that Gombau actually began with the basic mechanics of trapping and passing a ball when he took over, so shit were the skills of the local players he had.  Unbelievable.  It is unbelievable.  As in I don't believe it.  You want to make a substantial difference in your (or a player's) touch, it takes a long time.  Years even.  I think the FFA say 5 years?  Can't remember now, but its a bloody long time.  That's why the technical director of my club basically said, don't go for tactics to get a win boys (with the juniors), when they get to seniors we can teach them that in a few weeks.  Improve their skills- that takes years and (paraphrasing here) if they haven't got the skills by the time they rock up in the firsts, we are buggered.  You have guys in an A League squad that can't play?  Get new players.  I know Villa is a player right from the pointy end of world talent, but his basic skills around trapping the ball, first touch, body positioning and vision on the field are way way above any of the plodders in our team. In fact most of the AU players were better than players in our team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Duff is pissed off because he hasnt played with spuds like this since he was in primary school , bet he cant wait to leave either ,shame really plus still think he should be playin on left where he can whip balls in not keep checking back on right wing cos he is left footed ! Fulham were seriously shite last year........ Agreed but EPL shite & HAL shite is light years of difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 So we have gone from two draws to two defeats..  Time for everyone involved on-pitch to start digging in or there will be a raised eyebrow at board level, that said it´s a bit early to panic yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Why is everyone complaining? We've shown a lot of improvement. This time last season we were on............ 2 points as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydos Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 What happened in the Away Bay? Was probably the most exciting thing that happened all night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 What happened in the Away Bay? Was probably the most exciting thing that happened all night  punch on cuz bro hektik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I think some of JVS decisions on who's playing where is questionable, but saying to just get rid of him is an extremely simplistic view to have which provides no thought as to who you could bring in to replace him. Not only that but ignoring the other issues we have as a TEAM isn't fair either on the coaching staff. Firstly on JVS I think some serious questions are being raised with his charge of the team, particularly where some players are positioned. When JVS was taken on board Soriano and co stated that he is what they were looking for in a coach, that would be able to implement their vision of how they want the team to play. I think to implement that vision we don't have players that are technically capable of doing so. Not sure if anyone else watched JVS reactions during the game but you could see him clearly indicating for players to go forward and not back, you could see his frustration at players not playing the ball to villa when he's free. I've been to training sessions and watched and listened to instructions given, stressing for players to hit the target no matter what etc. Those little things that we as supporters also have been concerned about don't go unnoticed but in saying that I do question JVS ability to get the most out of players. I also question why we didn't strengthen our back line in the preseason and how much of that responsibility sits on JVS shoulders. Bottom line I think if we were to get another coach it would be the new coaches ability to get the most out of the team being the biggest difference rather than our playing style that would change. On our players where do we start. I'm still of the belief that our front three have been set up incorrectly and that we should have been playing duff and duga on the wings and villa more centrally. I know villa plays on the left normally but I think it would have allowed duga to be in a much more natural position. Duga isn't a goal scorer and he just can't compete against the two centre backs unless the ball is played as a through ball to him. You see djite last night causing havoc for weialert and kisnorbo with his strength something Mate is incapable of doing. I'll say it again duga needs to be running at defenders and taking them on. So I think JVS has got that wrong. I think one thing was proven last night, and that is some players are just no where near the mark no matter what they're told, they're coach killers and team killers: Wielaert poor marking has cost us two goals, one last night and one against Newcastle. He's is too slow, as is Kisnorbo whch I think is diabolical for a team that is trying to play a high pressing game. Murdocca is a bench player at best and doesn't have a created fibre in his body to play as AM. Left back is a serious problem as well. These two positions are truly our weakest links but hopefully mauk will fill some of that void when he can return. Hoffman is a bench player for right back and should not be a starter, however in a saying that he is a very good bench player as he rarely is directly responsible for goals, contrary to what some say. I can't explain Williams actions, his inability to hit the target is beyond belief. No explanation possible, There's so many other discussion points, club culture, players expectations, etc. could go on forever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I don't think anyone is saying everything is JVS's fault. What most are saying (at least I am anyway) is that he is a major part of the overall problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 LOL, Aloisi on Fox bagging out the back 4 that he signed for Heart   5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I don't think anyone is saying everything is JVS's fault. What most are saying (at least I am anyway) is that he is a major part of the overall problem. Nor am I saying that you are implying that everything is jvs fault, but the balance of that fault I think is leaning more towards the players currently playing fault than JVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I don't think anyone is saying everything is JVS's fault. What most are saying (at least I am anyway) is that he is a major part of the overall problem. Nor am I saying that you are implying that everything is jvs fault, but the balance of that fault I think is leaning more towards the players currently playing fault than JVS. And it's his job to get the best out of them and utilize their skill in the most effective way. His fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Â Â I don't think anyone is saying everything is JVS's fault. What most are saying (at least I am anyway) is that he is a major part of the overall problem. Nor am I saying that you are implying that everything is jvs fault, but the balance of that fault I think is leaning more towards the players currently playing fault than JVS. And it's his job to get the best out of them and utilize their skill in the most effective way. His fault. Â Its also his job to assure that he signs enough players to fill a starting 11 on a football pitch. Â Who the fuck is going to score until Kennedy gets here? Christ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFCROB24 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014    I don't think anyone is saying everything is JVS's fault. What most are saying (at least I am anyway) is that he is a major part of the overall problem. Nor am I saying that you are implying that everything is jvs fault, but the balance of that fault I think is leaning more towards the players currently playing fault than JVS. And it's his job to get the best out of them and utilize their skill in the most effective way. His fault.  Its also his job to assure that he signs enough players to fill a starting 11 on a football pitch.  Who the fuck is going to score until Kennedy gets here? Christ  Hoffman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournelad55 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I think we will be a better team now that villa has left. He was definetly at fault for Adelaides first goal as he didnt track the run of their right back, elrich who put in the ball for Djite to nod home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014   Who the fuck is going to score until Kennedy gets here? Christ  Our defenders will score. They can't defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014    Who the fuck is going to score until Kennedy gets here? Christ  Our defenders will score. They can't defend.   Because they are attackers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Watching the replay here:Â Â Are mics closer to the north end? Ffs they sound louder. Good to have a watch through that and work out which chants worked and which didn't etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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