n i k o Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Taking the armband away from Kisnorbo will not change anything. Dropping him from the squad on match day though will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Really average today tbh, might be time to switch him and weilart out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombegongal Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I think a senior center back is on the shopping list come seasons end. Patty looks out of steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 becoming a massive liability again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 unbelievable how much criticism this bloke escapes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Taking the armband away from Kisnorbo will not change anything. Dropping him from the squad on match day though will. I still stand by what I said. He needs to be dropped, regardless that he's captain. A centre backs strongest attributes absolutely must be that they are quick, strong on the ball and their pass accuracy percentage must be near perfect. He is too slow. Simple as that. When teams don't exploit this obvious weakness he is great, when they do its diabolical. His passing can be quite poor as seen last night. The only thing he still has going is his strength especially airially. But 1 out of 3 is not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) unbelievable how much criticism this bloke escapes  Agree.  He's one of the most experienced players in the team, and the captain. He needs to stand up in big games. He doesn't need to directly win us big games, but last night he was directly responsible for us losing a big game, and that is very hard to forgive.  Kisnorbo was popular last season because he noticeably trying a bit extra: throwing himself to ground for a last ditch tackle when few other players would provide such intensity. This season, where multiple players often try a lot each game (e.g. Melling, Mooy, Chapman), Kisnorbo's intensity isn't so standout and important, and his quality becomes more of an issue.  I also fully agree that Kisnorbo is a limited player with very distinct shortcomings. In short, he's the stereotypical English lower league defender, who provides good physicality but is poor on the ball and can't pass.   It turns out it was a good call to give Kisnorbo a contract extension for no longer than 1 season. Edited February 8, 2015 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 YOU'LL NEVER BEAT KISNORBO! Â ........But don't worry, he'll do all the hard work for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Should retire and go into coaching. Way too slow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Runs funny too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Should retire. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 I thought most people were happy that Kisnorbo was re-signed for a further season and also that he was made captain. Honestly, who else was a reasonable candidate? The captaincy is just another thing that we seem to have got wrong more often than right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I was never keen on him being captain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Pints Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Of the current squad, big Erik looks like the best candidate for the next year or two. He's committed to the club long-term, has experience across different leagues and most likely wouldn't be weighed down by the responsibility. Only worry is that he's probably our third or fourth best central midfielder at the moment, though Mooy will surely move to a superior league at season's end. Chapman looks a born leader (and a more talented player) but should be given time to get his body right without any other baggage. Doubt he'll still be playing in the A League in a couple years also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attack11 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 For me, given what I saw on Saturday night Kisnorbo is out of his element. Did someone bother to mention to him that he plays for City and not MV???? His performance in the Darby was embarrassing, he has made mistake after mistake and Chapman is covering him. Judging by this season Kisnorbo is another one that should be shown the door at seasons end.. Erik Paarteluu to be our next captain.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Time for Paddy to be relieved of the armband and for it to be given to Aaron Mooy  No way. The boy has been our one shining light this season, why on earth would you want to burden him down with captaincy...  Going through the current team and as absurd as it may sound too some, Hoffy actually comes into consideration. Not sure who else is standing out at the moment.  Perhaps that sums up our current situation - no leadership off the ground and no leadership on it.  I can understand the 'burden' concept but maybe it might take Mooy to a new level  Anyway, I reckon the clumsy oaf Paddy should make way for someone that's providing onfield leadership by the way they are playing at a consistently high level. Still stand by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I thought most people were happy that Kisnorbo was re-signed for a further season and also that he was made captain. Honestly, who else was a reasonable candidate? The captaincy is just another thing that we seem to have got wrong more often than right. Â Reasonable point. Of the incumbents, which a lot of us (me too) were in favour of (as opposed to another first-year player), it was really just Kisnorbo, Wielaert (who captained us several times in 2013-14) and Murdocca (who I believe was the second deputy and may have also captained us in a game that Wielaert missed, from memory). Kisnorbo's actually still the pick of that bunch. Â Of the City recruits: Duff, Koren, Mooy, Paartalu. Everything suggests that Duff would be a great captain this year, but not only would it be another new player as skipper, he was also only ever a one year proposition. Koren: well, it's pretty obvious he has the pedigree and if he didn't come under consideration, it's because he was a new player. Mooy: seems a bit of a 'lead by example' type to me. Paartalu: good age, good winning pedigree in this comp, but he signed with the club in mid-September. Seems a bit much to ask this guy to walk in when everyone has been in preseason training for a couple of months and give him the armband. Â It still doesn't seem like that terrible a decision to me now, because we had several players that looked like reasonable options at the outset and I think only Mooy, Duff and maybe Paartalu have enhanced their standing as a captaincy-material so far this year. And I think there's very good reasons why none of those three are our captain that are as true now as they were then, although, if I could hop in a time machine, I'd give it to Paartalu. Edited February 10, 2015 by SF33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Do people realise how many quality CBs there are that are slow? It is by no means a requirement for a CB to be quick. They just have to be played in a way that their lack of speed can't be exploited, deeper defensive line, partnered with a quicker CB, etc. It all comes back to JVS again, why have we played 2 slow CBs together for most the season? While playing with quite attacking fullbacks (which generally isn't going to work well with slow CBs)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Do people realise how many quality CBs there are that are slow? It is by no means a requirement for a CB to be quick. They just have to be played in a way that their lack of speed can't be exploited, deeper defensive line, partnered with a quicker CB, etc. It all comes back to JVS again, why have we played 2 slow CBs together for most the season? While playing with quite attacking fullbacks (which generally isn't going to work well with slow CBs)? Of course not every centre back is as quick as the next but when you play such a high line like we do that leaves a lot of space in behind the last defender and the keeper. So you'd better hope your cente backs are up to the task should they need to use their speed to get back. Definitely comes back to JVS, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 If only we got Thwaite when Gold Coast was wrapped up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Do people realise how many quality CBs there are that are slow? It is by no means a requirement for a CB to be quick. They just have to be played in a way that their lack of speed can't be exploited, deeper defensive line, partnered with a quicker CB, etc. It all comes back to JVS again, why have we played 2 slow CBs together for most the season? While playing with quite attacking fullbacks (which generally isn't going to work well with slow CBs)? Â There is slow and then there is Kisnorbo/Wieleart slow. No they don't have to be 100m contenders but at some point or another they have to run to a competitive level; father time has arrived for this pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Well...I can think of one example of a big, slow defender being given the captaincy. Good ol' Mertesacker. Admittedly, he can tackle, is enormous and thus good in the air, knocks it around quite well and reads the game exceptionally well. In his case, he makes up for his lack of speed in many other areas and seems to be a good leader. If only Kisnorbo had some of those qualities. Aggression and determination aren't reasonable substitutes for a deficiency such as a lack of pace. Yes, pace isn't everything, but without an astute coach to remedy this issue, a player needs other qualities to justify his spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Well...I can think of one example of a big, slow defender being given the captaincy. Good ol' Mertesacker. Admittedly, he can tackle, is enormous and thus good in the air, knocks it around quite well and reads the game exceptionally well. In his case, he makes up for his lack of speed in many other areas and seems to be a good leader. If only Kisnorbo had some of those qualities. Aggression and determination aren't reasonable substitutes for a deficiency such as a lack of pace. Yes, pace isn't everything, but without an astute coach to remedy this issue, a player needs other qualities to justify his spot. Per has koscielny next to him, who is quick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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