Shahanga Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 When are the FFA going to do something about the standard of refereeing in the A League? It is truly appalling and having to put up with a series of poor match impacting decisions every week is making a mockery of the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Totally agree, really needs to be fixed, the amount of times they have ruined games by giving soft reds out for tackles that are only worth a yellow at best is ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Absaloutely shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Was Ben Williams the Fred tonite or was it one of his dickhead friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 They're treated as amateurs, thus they turn in amateur performances, needs to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Had a chat with the ref in the carkpark after the game. We won't be seeing him ref our games anymore. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petery3 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bloody worst referees worse than AFL umpires... Don't worry the shiek will bring us some European refs that actually know what they are doing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePolo Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 or maybe the sheik could 'convince' ben williams not to come to our games again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballism Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Sydney Hakoah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Had a chat with the ref in the carkpark after the game. We won't be seeing him ref our games anymore. Ando- A man for the people :clap: :clap: :clap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballism Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Had a chat with the ref in the carkpark after the game. We won't be seeing him ref our games anymore. Ando- A man for the people :clap: :clap: :clap: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 There are rumours that some of the referees will become professional next season by FFA. Most likely see the ones with FIFA badges become full time employees. The referees all have day jobs like everyone else so aside from fitness training 2-3 times a week after work there is not much other free time for them to concentrate on aspects of the game. They all have families too. They only get paid for each game they officiate in. Easy to blame referees for decisions but they don't have the luxury of numerous TV replays and angles of incidents to view prior to making a decision with a second or two after it occurred. The red on Orlando was technically there, but the clown from Sydney screamed in agony and if you notice the referee immediately called for the bench to attend to the player. He may have thought the player was seriously injured after seeing the studs into the leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 There are rumours that some of the referees will become professional next season by FFA. Most likely see the ones with FIFA badges become full time employees. The referees all have day jobs like everyone else so aside from fitness training 2-3 times a week after work there is not much other free time for them to concentrate on aspects of the game. They all have families too. They only get paid for each game they officiate in. Easy to blame referees for decisions but they don't have the luxury of numerous TV replays and angles of incidents to view prior to making a decision with a second or two after it occurred. The red on Orlando was technically there, but the clown from Sydney screamed in agony and if you notice the referee immediately called for the bench to attend to the player. He may have thought the player was seriously injured after seeing the studs into the leg. Yes and you also note that the "injured player" immediately got up and walked to the sideline and then continued playing, yes in was worth a yellow but definitely NOT a red card . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Was Ben Williams the Fred tonite or was it one of his dickhead friends Gillet, not Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Thought he did alright. Red was there, just a bit harsh/unlucky for Engelaar. Ramsay's wasn't a pen (defender got the ball). The handball might have been a pen, but protecting the face is usually allowed (not sure if that's an actual rule). Germano appears to be offside for the goal, if that tackle is counted as a pass by Dugandzic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Typical Gillett game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Seen worse this year. Herman Cain is spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardRed Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 A friend of Mine in the UK - a Football fan of that other team in Melbourne -emailed me after watching the game and asked " is it me ? or do Melbourne Heart always seem to get a total Fuckwit as a Ref ? Hmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sorry Herman but I think you must have been watching another game. That was only a good performance if you were comparing it to what a member of the crowd could of done. Watch a Premier League game and see how a professional ref conducts himself. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 There are rumours that some of the referees will become professional next season by FFA. Most likely see the ones with FIFA badges become full time employees. The referees all have day jobs like everyone else so aside from fitness training 2-3 times a week after work there is not much other free time for them to concentrate on aspects of the game. They all have families too. They only get paid for each game they officiate in. Easy to blame referees for decisions but they don't have the luxury of numerous TV replays and angles of incidents to view prior to making a decision with a second or two after it occurred. The red on Orlando was technically there, but the clown from Sydney screamed in agony and if you notice the referee immediately called for the bench to attend to the player. He may have thought the player was seriously injured after seeing the studs into the leg. Yes and you also note that the "injured player" immediately got up and walked to the sideline and then continued playing, yes in was worth a yellow but definitely NOT a red card . Just wonder why the decision has to be so immediate. Why could the ref. not have the option of first pulling out the yellow card and asking the fourth official what he thinks (after all, they are all wired up or if they aren't they should be) and then pull the red if his decision is backed up? While the "injured" player is down this would not hold up the match. If the red is confirmed then the yellow is cancelled out. Not suggesting refereeing by replay all the time, but matches shouldn't be decided by incorrect decisions if it can be avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sorry Herman but I think you must have been watching another game. That was only a good performance if you were comparing it to what a member of the crowd could of done. Watch a Premier League game and see how a professional ref conducts himself. Ref Standards in our comp are poor, however unfortunately you can't realy compare part time official with a full time highly paid premier league ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well actually thats my point. These refs are probably performing as well as you can expect them to, when they are part timers who needs to devote most of their spare time to fitness. Thats why its up to the FFA to fix it. Pay them enough so that they aren't part timers for crying out loud. BTW surprised no one else wants to discuss the penalty that became a free kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fentonthescreamingcactus Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well actually thats my point. These refs are probably performing as well as you can expect them to, when they are part timers who needs to devote most of their spare time to fitness. Thats why its up to the FFA to fix it. Pay them enough so that they aren't part timers for crying out loud. BTW surprised no one else wants to discuss the penalty that became a free kick. To be fair it was outside the box, imo it was the only good call the ref made for the whole night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Ppl here should take the red&white glasses off for a minute Rules state players must be protected from potentially career ending injury. Engelaar's challenge although unintentional was still dangerous because his studs landed on the shin bone, red was justified. I think the biggest screw up was ADP attempting to protect his Botox from being squashed by Harry's kick. Definite hand ball and penalty. As for other decisions it was a bag full of classic a league standard calls, they all make as part timers. When we see FFA pull their head out of heir arse and decide that we deserve full time pro refs not much will change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well actually thats my point. These refs are probably performing as well as you can expect them to, when they are part timers who needs to devote most of their spare time to fitness. Thats why its up to the FFA to fix it. Pay them enough so that they aren't part timers for crying out loud. BTW surprised no one else wants to discuss the penalty that became a free kick. To be fair it was outside the box, imo it was the only good call the ref made for the whole night Yeah, it seemed really close and on the replay it almost seemed as if it were right on the line so benefit of the doubt has to go to the defending team in that instance. The rest of the game was deplorable from Gillet, absolutely atrocious refereeing. Ben Williams is the other serial offender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Another classic performance in the CCM v Visitards game. Archer offside for the Tards goal, then a blatant penalty given as a free kick outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 How can Gillett get another A League game after last week! At least he is consistent anyway Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Aleague officials deserve worse pay than maccas slaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I am actually curious about the argument for full time ref's. I was once talking to a local league aussie rules umpire when the topic came up, and the question arose should umpires be fulltime? His answer was no, because there isn't enough for them to do, which was something I never considered. What would they do? Surely there isn't enough footage to review to fill a week, I'm not sure how many simulation drills they could do and I doubt they would have anywhere near the fitness commitments players do as they wouldn't need to do weights at all and don't need to prepare for anything more than a constant jog. I would imagine it would make the job worse for them, as it would involve large periods of boredom. Unlike playing the sport, the skills they practice are not doable by themselves or without a drill setup, and the skills they perform aren't fun (I assume they do find them fun to some degree, but they don't exactly do fun passing drills or one on one training or anything). And then you consider that in season they have one match a week (possibly another as the fourth official), unlike the European leagues where they would be pushing towards 3 a fortnight, and then out of season is pretty much half a year without a match unless they go back to the second tier which would require subsidising from the FFA. It's slightly awkward because the ideal hours would be somewhere between part time and full time, and I wonder if the bigger issue is a small pool of people not only interested in becoming a ref, but then also willing to sacrifice every weekend and multiple weeknights every summer. I'm just not sure the solution is "make them full time" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Bump. after 3 years talking about it, we've just seen the worst half of refereeing in a game in the history of the a league. how long will it be before something is done about this crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 dead set spastic cunts, people keep going on about the league needs expanding, just going to mean theres even more fuckwits officiating the league seriously 5 fucking games a week and atleast 3 a week have ridiculous game changing decisions, start importing them from europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 The really disappointing thing is that the A-League made three full time with the expectations of improvement yet they have gone backwards. Why? maybe the game has improved an refereeing stood still, maybe their training is crap, maybe they are recruiting the wrong people. However the consequences are myriad: ruined spectacle, reduces competition as players become weary, coaching and player careers can hit a bump, lower game turn out, lower sponsorship. And then there are the wider ramifications, how do you tell the 14 year olds what the rules and spirit of the game is when they see A-League refereeing being so inept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 The amazing thing is, the refereeing in general play is normally ok. It's the "big decisions" that are the problem. Maybe it is a cultural thing, I mean when you award one of the worst top flight refs I've ever seen, Ben Williams, as "the best ref in Asia" you are encouraging his style of reffing - being ego driven seat of his pants big decisions with clearly no comebacks for stuff ups the next week. Be interesting to see what happens to Green now, if he was a player, he'd be dropped (and possibly run out of the club), surely he shouldn't ref now for at least a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 The problem issnt the refereeing in the league as there are the same issues in every league across the globe. Its that the spectator and commentators have access to things that the referees dont (and shouldnt mind you) but everyone seems to treat it like the referee can look at things in multiple angles and slow motion with their own eyes. The second Brisbane goal was not offside and if any of you think that, you should take of those city coloured glasses. Yes the penalties last night were soft but the ref was consistent and you are never going to have a perfectly refereed game so thats all you can ask for. The players and coaches behaviour toward refs is a disgrace and its not better from the public either, and you dont see any of them putting their hand up to go ref in a local league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Dylan said: The problem issnt the refereeing in the league as there are the same issues in every league across the globe. Its that the spectator and commentators have access to things that the referees dont (and shouldnt mind you) but everyone seems to treat it like the referee can look at things in multiple angles and slow motion with their own eyes. The second Brisbane goal was not offside and if any of you think that, you should take of those city coloured glasses. Yes the penalties last night were soft but the ref was consistent and you are never going to have a perfectly refereed game so thats all you can ask for. The players and coaches behaviour toward refs is a disgrace and its not better from the public either, and you dont see any of them putting their hand up to go ref in a local league. If games are being decided by poor decisions, then of course the refereeing is a problem. However, I agree that rather than merely abusing and bashing them, there needs to be some serious investment into better training/importing referees from overseas or whatever needs to be done to raise the standard because at the moment the situation's bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 @Dylan if you were talking about the refs in community games I would agree with you 100%. It's a tough job and they play a vital role and need support. We though are talking about officiating at the highest level in our game. The officials play a crucial role. For some years now we have seen far too many matches decided by poor decisions. I never see this level of fuck ups in the Premier League, so it can be done better and we shouldn't be satisfied with mediocrity. As to last nights game personally I don't think the ref gifting us a penalty because he realised his first half mistake means he had a good game or even an acceptable game. On top of that there is the Caceres non decision, which was just as bad. in regards to the offside well we'll have to agree to disagree, however I do agree that relying on centimetre decisions like that being right with the naked eye is not realistic, if that was all that went wrong last night we would not be having this discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 the dopey cunts have made massive mistakes in every game so far this round, disgusting level of officiating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Thrillhouse said: the dopey cunts have made massive mistakes in every game so far this round, disgusting level of officiating Just watched the highlights of the other games, I still can't believe how much worse the standard of refeering has become this season. There is always a few mistakes from the newer referees but someone has to give Beath a kick up the arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever City Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league/aleague-will-trial-use-of-yellow-and-red-cards-for-misbehaving-coaches-in-worldfirst-football-experiment/news-story/8b897eae0f99cc65d401d7cf722b4013 A-League will trial use of yellow and red cards for misbehaving coaches in world-first football experiment IT promises to bring a new element of theatre to the A-League, in a world-first experiment to improve coaches behaviour. Football’s international rule makers have given A-League bosses permission to trial coaches being given yellow and red cards for dissent and abuse of match officials or opposition players, in a very public attempt to reduce such behaviour. The International Football Association Board (IFAB) only confirmed its agreement to the trial in the past few days, and its introduction will be delayed by several weeks as the detail is worked out - such as what penalty, if any, will be invoked for the accrual of several yellows. But as part of a global attempt to reduce public displays of dissent towards match officials, Australian referees may show yellow and then red cards to coaches as soon as round four of the new season. Competition chiefs believe that being explicitly warned via a yellow card will act as a deterrent, though A-League referees boss Ben Wilson emphasised that a warning system has been used for some time, but without the public codification of using cards.“IFAB has been looking at ways to increase respect for officials, and in the past in an Australian context there has been criticism of some behaviour in the technical areas in the A-League,” Wilson said. “IFAB has agreed that using yellow and red cards could be a way of affecting behaviour like that, and they want to see how it plays out. We’ve only just got permission to trial it, and we need to have quite a bit of discussion with referees, players and of course coaches about how it will work, and the detail of it. There’s some administrative and technical issues to consider, and we have to get everyone’s point of view. “We already do a system called Ask, Tell, Remove, which we think has been effective, but certainly from a crowd point of view this would make explicit the warnings and consequences for coaches’ behaviour.” Fans and viewers can also expect to see the ball in play during games for longer, with A-League referees being encouraged to add more time on for stoppages, and reduce the number of times the game is stopped for minor infringements. Already in the FFA Cup this season there has been more minutes added in each half, and referees have sought to halt the game less. “We want the A-League to be as entertaining as possible, and that includes letting the game flow,” said Wilson. “We’ve asked the referees not to penalise small fouls like a push for example where a team retains possession, and also to capture the time lost to stoppages more accurately. “For some reason it seems to be accepted that there’s a minute or so added in the first half then three or four minutes in the second half. We want substitutions, goals, injuries all to be accounted for - if there are five or six minutes of stoppages, add that on.” Edited October 5, 2017 by Forever City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Kenny Lowe will be spewing about that news Edited October 5, 2017 by Shahanga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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