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1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

UOTYH: I don't believe these "protests" have any material effect on relationships between authorities and indigenous people, or indeed all people. Relationships will only change from the top down, and while wrongdoers in these authorities remain unpunished or inadequately punished abuse will continue.

I beg to differ. You may not know/remember Joh Bjelke-Petersen but a lot of protests and then ABC new coverage culminating in Four Corners report eventually produced a royal commission. The net result was that the two top cops were corrupt - the deputy dying before the royal commission and Terence Lewis been handed a 14 jail term. Joh escaped because it was impossible to find an impartial jury. So what the marchers do is that it forces the political arm to do something.

As an aside over the course of my lifetime I have met a lot of Americans and what I found intriguing was the fear that they had of the police. This was across the board, age, class, money, race, etc. What is happening in the USA is also a reaction against the selection and training of the police force.

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On 08/06/2020 at 8:17 AM, Shahanga said:

Unpopular opinion- in a democracy the best place to protest is at the ballot box.

When it is rationalism v altruism brainwashing?

2 minutes ago, moops said:

When it is rationalism v altruism brainwashing?

which is better

 

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46 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

I don’t think we’ll actually know “which countries managed Covid best” for about 6 years. The isolation approach taken by Australia will only be a success if there is a vaccine in the foreseeable future. If not history will not smile on us.

Are you concerned about the lack of herd immunity?

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2 hours ago, Shahanga said:

If there’s no vaccine, yes I am.

For what it’s worth I’m thinking there will be one, but if there isn’t Australia will be in a difficult position.

No different to any other country. In a way you compete with what's on the pitch. So if there is no vaccine then the world will need to be remade in some new fashion. BTW there are worse scenarios if you think about it.

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On 29/06/2020 at 1:18 PM, Shahanga said:

I don’t think we’ll actually know “which countries managed Covid best” for about 6 years. The isolation approach taken by Australia will only be a success if there is a vaccine in the foreseeable future. If not history will not smile on us.

 

On 29/06/2020 at 2:06 PM, HeartFc said:

Are you concerned about the lack of herd immunity?

 

18 hours ago, NewConvert said:

No different to any other country. In a way you compete with what's on the pitch. So if there is no vaccine then the world will need to be remade in some new fashion. BTW there are worse scenarios if you think about it.

Interesting comments. I happened to visit my long-standing ear specialist today. He's not an infectious diseases specialist, but has such specialists in his circle of medical colleagues. He was quite pessimistic.

We don't know yet whether there is any immunity once you have contracted the virus and recovered, and or if there is how long it will last, and even if a vaccine, or vaccines, emerge from the current and future research what sort of protection it/they may offer.

Was the "isolation" approach was or is the right one to take - who knows? IMO a total lock-down cannot be sustained indefinitely because people develop "lock-down fatigue", and once relaxation  of a total lock-down begins then people simply revert to their previous behaviours believing that the crisis situation has passed. My anecdotal evidence suggests to me that enough people haven't even changed their behaviour in the first place for isolation to be effective.

IMO we have to either develop a vaccine, or an effective treatment, or we are going to revert to more or less our old societal behaviours and accept that there's a new cause of death on the block.

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6 hours ago, jw1739 said:

 

 

Interesting comments. I happened to visit my long-standing ear specialist today. He's not an infectious diseases specialist, but has such specialists in his circle of medical colleagues. He was quite pessimistic.

We don't know yet whether there is any immunity once you have contracted the virus and recovered, and or if there is how long it will last, and even if a vaccine, or vaccines, emerge from the current and future research what sort of protection it/they may offer.

Was the "isolation" approach was or is the right one to take - who knows? IMO a total lock-down cannot be sustained indefinitely because people develop "lock-down fatigue", and once relaxation  of a total lock-down begins then people simply revert to their previous behaviours believing that the crisis situation has passed. My anecdotal evidence suggests to me that enough people haven't even changed their behaviour in the first place for isolation to be effective.

IMO we have to either develop a vaccine, or an effective treatment, or we are going to revert to more or less our old societal behaviours and accept that there's a new cause of death on the block.

The immediate near term will be of regular 'hot spots' that will be locked down whilst the rest of the city or state continue with the new normal. The aim will be to ensure that the ICU are not overwhelmed. Melbourne is a useful guinea pig as it does not have the natural geographical boundaries that Sydney or Brisbane have. Perth does have some so they can lock down half the city if required. New regulations will need to be introduced to ensure punishment for violating health directives.

If the issue was of accepting a new cause of death then that would be easy - we did it with HIV and drug use. Me thinks the issue is the unknown long term damage to the health of people who contract it. Putting on the accounting hat on, the hard issue is for kids and those under 30 that would be of a concern. First they will add to the cost of health care if organ damage is bad enough but also in that it may well prevent them from fully producing for the economy.

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19 hours ago, NewConvert said:

The immediate near term will be of regular 'hot spots' that will be locked down whilst the rest of the city or state continue with the new normal. The aim will be to ensure that the ICU are not overwhelmed. Melbourne is a useful guinea pig as it does not have the natural geographical boundaries that Sydney or Brisbane have. Perth does have some so they can lock down half the city if required. New regulations will need to be introduced to ensure punishment for violating health directives.

If the issue was of accepting a new cause of death then that would be easy - we did it with HIV and drug use. Me thinks the issue is the unknown long term damage to the health of people who contract it. Putting on the accounting hat on, the hard issue is for kids and those under 30 that would be of a concern. First they will add to the cost of health care if organ damage is bad enough but also in that it may well prevent them from fully producing for the economy.

We don't know, that I agree. This is an issue of whether it has a chronic outcome rather than just an acute (or semi-acute) one. But that's true with any "new" illness/disease/injury isn't it?

My own feeling is that we need to be much more on the front foot and trying to eliminate the damn thing rather than accept containment (which really means keeping people away from it such that bad cases don't overwhelm the health system). I'm leaning towards the view expressed below. I'm already (after three months) suffering from "lock-down fatigue" and as I've written before, many of the people I've encountered in my few essential ventures outside our house and garden aren't paying any attention to distancing. Humans are social animals, and in the end we don't want to live in isolation from those around us.

On 29/06/2020 at 1:18 PM, Shahanga said:

I don’t think we’ll actually know “which countries managed Covid best” for about 6 years. The isolation approach taken by Australia will only be a success if there is a vaccine in the foreseeable future. If not history will not smile on us.

 

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3 hours ago, mattyh001 said:

UOTYH: After being booted from their Houston embassy, the Chinese are perfectly justified in burning their documents and should almost be commended for it.  It also shows the West's (particularly the US) hypocrisy regarding wikileaks

I applaud the US decision to force the closure of the consulate, but have no qualms with China burning documents from an objective stand point (Notwithstanding that I would have liked the documents to fall into US hands).

I see this as different to wikileaks to the extent that it is being leaked by people that are 'on your team' vs 'the other team'. And yes I know that statement is a massive generalisation.

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3 hours ago, malloy said:

I applaud the US decision to force the closure of the consulate, but have no qualms with China burning documents from an objective stand point (Notwithstanding that I would have liked the documents to fall into US hands).

I see this as different to wikileaks to the extent that it is being leaked by people that are 'on your team' vs 'the other team'. And yes I know that statement is a massive generalisation.

Agreed that it would be great to see them. 

i just find it interesting Assange has been hounded for years by a number of countries in an effort to extradit for releasing shit while the the Chinese are being made to look like arseholes for doing what the USA should have re wikileaks info. Could be me misinterpreting coverage tho

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On 29/06/2020 at 1:18 PM, Shahanga said:

I don’t think we’ll actually know “which countries managed Covid best” for about 6 years. The isolation approach taken by Australia will only be a success if there is a vaccine in the foreseeable future. If not history will not smile on us.

Taiwan has done exceptionally well, it helps that they are technically at war with China.

They also didn't shut down.

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On 23/07/2020 at 6:09 PM, mattyh001 said:

Agreed that it would be great to see them. 

i just find it interesting Assange has been hounded for years by a number of countries in an effort to extradit for releasing shit while the the Chinese are being made to look like arseholes for doing what the USA should have re wikileaks info. Could be me misinterpreting coverage tho

Assange is an Australian, how our government isn't supporting him is dodgy, all he did was provide a media to say what is real.

That's Aussie to me, sharp shooters.

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15 hours ago, moops said:

Assange is an Australian, how our government isn't supporting him is dodgy, all he did was provide a media to say what is real.

That's Aussie to me, sharp shooters.

It's a disgrace that we are not supporting him. It'd be a lot different if he was indigenous...

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On 07/06/2020 at 5:08 PM, NewConvert said:

I beg to differ. You may not know/remember Joh Bjelke-Petersen but a lot of protests and then ABC new coverage culminating in Four Corners report eventually produced a royal commission. The net result was that the two top cops were corrupt - the deputy dying before the royal commission and Terence Lewis been handed a 14 jail term. Joh escaped because it was impossible to find an impartial jury. So what the marchers do is that it forces the political arm to do something.

As an aside over the course of my lifetime I have met a lot of Americans and what I found intriguing was the fear that they had of the police. This was across the board, age, class, money, race, etc. What is happening in the USA is also a reaction against the selection and training of the police force.

I think u need to also add what happened before the case...

Nobody came to the Police about Pell, they advertised for PPL to come to them - Just think about how fucked that it.

Also what about the DDP - He refused to even move forward with any of the Four Cases, which Four Corners then went to town on.

On the first day of Court - 3 Cases were thrown in the Bin by the judge in an hour, the last remaining case... before mistrial was looking like he would be innocent.

Of course we all know due to Media Pressure the Jury decided to believe one man's recollection as a child. not his deceased friends or Pell's 60 other witnesses many being members of the School Choir.

I really dont think 7/7 High Court judges are going to get something wrong... for one the DPP already agreed with them... so John as usual is just offering his blend of bias.

As for Four Corners who you seem think are a bastion of truth well they reported all the cases about Pell as fact (Even the ones that got thrown out in minutes) BUT also they did another report in the 90's where they said that myself personally as a 10 year old boy went to one well known boys school rather than another, that I lived in one Suburb starting with East rather than another. Why did they report such things as where a 10 year old's went to school?

Because just like the Pell Episodes they needed to fill in time, Or like with the St Kevin' s Episode where they only had about half an hour worth of conversation about a shit situation so spent the first half an hour talking about a school chant and having a couple of High School Feminists giving their Lefty Opinions.

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5 hours ago, Shahanga said:

There is more chance of winning the lottery than one of those kiwis having Covid

Doesn't matter. And do you know that they are all Kiwis or that they have been in NZ for long enough to show symptoms? Or that there is no-one who is asymptomatic?

What's at stake is that the system is totally broken, un-cooperative, incompetent and buck-passing governments, government instruments (e.g. the ABF) and individuals. You'll sing a different tune if one of these arrivals undoes all that we have striven to achieve in the past six months. 

How many more warnings do we need - Ruby Princess, Hotel Quarantine/Kilmore/Shepparton - before our fucking governments get the message? Deadshits the lot of them.

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On 16/10/2020 at 9:55 AM, cadete said:

I think u need to also add what happened before the case...

Nobody came to the Police about Pell, they advertised for PPL to come to them - Just think about how fucked that it.

Also what about the DDP - He refused to even move forward with any of the Four Cases, which Four Corners then went to town on.

On the first day of Court - 3 Cases were thrown in the Bin by the judge in an hour, the last remaining case... before mistrial was looking like he would be innocent.

Of course we all know due to Media Pressure the Jury decided to believe one man's recollection as a child. not his deceased friends or Pell's 60 other witnesses many being members of the School Choir.

I really dont think 7/7 High Court judges are going to get something wrong... for one the DPP already agreed with them... so John as usual is just offering his blend of bias.

As for Four Corners who you seem think are a bastion of truth well they reported all the cases about Pell as fact (Even the ones that got thrown out in minutes) BUT also they did another report in the 90's where they said that myself personally as a 10 year old boy went to one well known boys school rather than another, that I lived in one Suburb starting with East rather than another. Why did they report such things as where a 10 year old's went to school?

Because just like the Pell Episodes they needed to fill in time, Or like with the St Kevin' s Episode where they only had about half an hour worth of conversation about a shit situation so spent the first half an hour talking about a school chant and having a couple of High School Feminists giving their Lefty Opinions.

Welcome back. So have you ditched WU and are back in the City fold?

This really threw me as the topic had nothing to do with Pell, it was whether protests had any impact on governments. And you did not mention anything about the Fitzgerald RC into corruption in Queensland nor that the police commissioner received a 14 year jail term. Also, it was basically the press that forced a RC into child sex abuse within institutions. And just as an aside what about the central Victorian cop who was expelled from teh police force because he was going after the pederasts inside the Catholic church? He received a full apology from the Victorian parliament. How powerful were the pederasts that they could do that?

As far as the HC is concerned they assumed powers of omnipresence in their judgement and therefore I hold them in contempt. As far as the press is concerned, as a seven year old I learnt that they were nothing but untrustworthy and I certainly got a does of that when I was 18.

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On 19/10/2020 at 6:49 AM, NewConvert said:

Welcome back. So have you ditched WU and are back in the City fold?

This really threw me as the topic had nothing to do with Pell, it was whether protests had any impact on governments. And you did not mention anything about the Fitzgerald RC into corruption in Queensland nor that the police commissioner received a 14 year jail term. Also, it was basically the press that forced a RC into child sex abuse within institutions. And just as an aside what about the central Victorian cop who was expelled from teh police force because he was going after the pederasts inside the Catholic church? He received a full apology from the Victorian parliament. How powerful were the pederasts that they could do that?

As far as the HC is concerned they assumed powers of omnipresence in their judgement and therefore I hold them in contempt. As far as the press is concerned, as a seven year old I learnt that they were nothing but untrustworthy and I certainly got a does of that when I was 18.

Okay, you know best... The High Court is corrupt... The 50 witnesses and the man that died who denied every being touched is wrong... And the one version of events which time wise impossible is right because you want it to be.

I could write more but I dont give shit about A-League or some Nobody who thinks 8 High Court Judges can get a decision wrong due to their own personal hope that one day their subscription to Leftist Politics will make them finally change from a Nobody to a Someone. 

Seriously, I know he wrote a lot of crap but when comes to Leftist Nerds like you... Freud was was pretty accurate.

NOTE: The funniest thing about your little WU comment is that if I and two other EXEC Members could be fucked rocking up to one random game and we would still if we wanted, have the Terrace back in our hands at the end of the game... LOL.

 

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IMO there's a lot of misunderstanding about what the High Court actually determined. As I understand it it determined that the standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" was not met in the Pell case and therefore that the conviction had to be overturned. Only Pell knows whether he is innocent or guilty, but the evidence to convict him simply doesn't exist. I'm not a Roman Catholic nor religious in that I do not attend any place of worship nor am I a member of any such organization, but I personally felt certain from the start that the the charges could not be proven beyond reasonable doubt, and I was astonished that the convictions were upheld by the Court of Appeal.

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17 hours ago, jw1739 said:

IMO there's a lot of misunderstanding about what the High Court actually determined. As I understand it it determined that the standard of "beyond reasonable doubt" was not met in the Pell case and therefore that the conviction had to be overturned. Only Pell knows whether he is innocent or guilty, but the evidence to convict him simply doesn't exist. I'm not a Roman Catholic nor religious in that I do not attend any place of worship nor am I a member of any such organization, but I personally felt certain from the start that the the charges could not be proven beyond rethroughlyasonable doubt, and I was astonished that the convictions were upheld by the Court of Appeal.

I think the 50 people, in particular those 5 or 10 with him the whole time also know his innocent, also as reported its what happened at The Court of Appeal that lead to the High Court Decision. As at the Court of Appeal you had only one Criminal Supreme Court Judge involved who made it widely he was disgusted with the behavior of the other two... One being a Judge with purely a Environmental Law background know for making findings that will forward her career, by the way you can guess the Politician fairly easily who has push her career forward.

Also people like @NewConvert love to act like the whole thing is so cut and dry and about one single case, a three minute sexual abuse they of course never mention that presented with this one case were Four other Cases worked on just as hard by Dan's Men in VicPol thrown out of Court within minutes as Fiction. One of which has two accusers who have both committed perjury before as trying to make a buck.

Or that all 5 cases were refused to be tried by the DPP and thus had to be the first five cases put to trial by Dan's men themselves.

Nope, it’s the DPP whose wrong, the one Qualified Criminal Judge at the Court of Appeal, and the 8 High Court Judges… not to mention Pell’s 50 witnesses or the dead victim’s denial that the fastest sexual abuse in the most busiest building at the time and day in Melbourne incident occurred… as it suits NC’s leftist Agenda that 1 of the 5 cases VicPol created has to be right.

The amazing thing is I would love to see what our Convert would think if an Aboriginal Man had to face five cases of Sexual Abuse that the DPP refused to trial.  That would be enough for him to join a Protest of 80,000 in the CBD.

Maybe the Poster Boy of Australia’s BLM Deaths in Custody movement who ate Biscuits he was told on several of occasions could kill him. As in the main who had been in jail for several rapes, and was in jail when he died for violently sodomising and raping his own Wife on more than one occasion. But no his a hero who was hard done by our Justice System and Pell is the Antichrist.

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On 29/06/2020 at 4:42 PM, Shahanga said:

If there’s no vaccine, yes I am.

For what it’s worth I’m thinking there will be one, but if there isn’t Australia will be in a difficult position.

There are three or four that've shown definite protection in the trials, we'll be there pretty soon

Hang on boys and girls

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21 hours ago, cadete said:

I think the 50 people, in particular those 5 or 10 with him the whole time also know his innocent, also as reported its what happened at The Court of Appeal that lead to the High Court Decision. As at the Court of Appeal you had only one Criminal Supreme Court Judge involved who made it widely he was disgusted with the behavior of the other two... One being a Judge with purely a Environmental Law background know for making findings that will forward her career, by the way you can guess the Politician fairly easily who has push her career forward.

Also people like @NewConvert love to act like the whole thing is so cut and dry and about one single case, a three minute sexual abuse they of course never mention that presented with this one case were Four other Cases worked on just as hard by Dan's Men in VicPol thrown out of Court within minutes as Fiction. One of which has two accusers who have both committed perjury before as trying to make a buck.

Or that all 5 cases were refused to be tried by the DPP and thus had to be the first five cases put to trial by Dan's men themselves.

Nope, it’s the DPP whose wrong, the one Qualified Criminal Judge at the Court of Appeal, and the 8 High Court Judges… not to mention Pell’s 50 witnesses or the dead victim’s denial that the fastest sexual abuse in the most busiest building at the time and day in Melbourne incident occurred… as it suits NC’s leftist Agenda that 1 of the 5 cases VicPol created has to be right.

The amazing thing is I would love to see what our Convert would think if an Aboriginal Man had to face five cases of Sexual Abuse that the DPP refused to trial.  That would be enough for him to join a Protest of 80,000 in the CBD.

Maybe the Poster Boy of Australia’s BLM Deaths in Custody movement who ate Biscuits he was told on several of occasions could kill him. As in the main who had been in jail for several rapes, and was in jail when he died for violently sodomising and raping his own Wife on more than one occasion. But no his a hero who was hard done by our Justice System and Pell is the Antichrist.

Well since you have obviously the time to be reading through so many posts I am sure you would have come across my posts on Pell that I rather let the legal system takes its course. Similarly you would have read that my beef with the HC was not the decision itself, it was the wording "the jury should have considered" as this implies that the jury did not consider the issues, something that the HC could not know. And of course you would have read my posts fiercely defending the jury system as in my lifetime the legal profession has been white anting the jury system and back in the 80s had a concerted campaign to eliminate juries altogether. You being a widely read man would have read articles that many legal experts said that this undermined any future jury.

As for the judges in the court of appeal I cannot comment however I will note that the appeal had 11 points and all three judges dismissed 8 of them. The dissenting judge disagreed on three points.

Finally, I don't have any agenda. A while back I climbed the fence and been watching the wheels go round.

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2 hours ago, jw1739 said:

I realised that, but what particular "doping scandal" brought it up?

I was reflecting on:

1. The sky sports (cycling team) scandal, where the team doctor has been found guilty by a tribunal relating to testosterone being supplied to a team camp but “the team was clean” (lol). 
2. Professional cyclists commenting on how much the average pace/power in the Tour de France has jumped this year. (A year when drug testing has been at its lowest ebb in years coincidentally)

(I know it’s a problem in all sports but those 2 have to be the worst)

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12 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

I was reflecting on:

1. The sky sports (cycling team) scandal, where the team doctor has been found guilty by a tribunal relating to testosterone being supplied to a team camp but “the team was clean” (lol). 
2. Professional cyclists commenting on how much the average pace/power in the Tour de France has jumped this year. (A year when drug testing has been at its lowest ebb in years coincidentally)

(I know it’s a problem in all sports but those 2 have to be the worst)

OK. I'd missed that, but I'm not following this year's Tour like I used to. Sometimes I'd sit up for hours watching a stage. There don't seem to be the personalities in the cycling ranks these days. Cippolini, Pantani, Stewie O'Grady and so on. But I guess my feelings about professional sport continuing in the pandemic are ambivalent. (Sigh.)

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5 hours ago, Shahanga said:

Unpopular opinion: 

Chairman Dan hadn’t released health advice on restricting outdoor activities and imposing a curfew because there isn’t any.

This isn’t an unpopular opinion, this is an unpopular fact. They even said after the curfew ended in 2020 that it had no health reasons, it simply made it easier for police to maintain compliance.

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