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5 hours ago, jw1739 said:

IMO going forward this is going to be one of the major issues that the club is going to have to deal with - the weight of expectation. Being Melbourne Heart was pretty much a case of nobody expecting too much, but being Melbourne City and part of City Football Group is going to put pressure on everyone connected to the club - from the players on the field right through to the back-office staff, and even on to the behaviour of City fans. Everything everyone does will be expected to be the best.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/fornaroli-relishing-favouritism--439712

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Nice article by Lynch

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/it-was-a-game-of-two-halves-for-van-t-schip-as-heart-morphed-into-city-20170105-gtmtv3.html

It was a game of two halves for van 't Schip as Heart morphed into City

 

It's difficult to overstate the role John van 't Schip played in the history of the team that started out as Melbourne Heart and then became Melbourne City.

The Dutchman, who quit on Tuesday to return home to the Netherlands to help care for his elderly father, was an enormous presence as the club morphed from cash-strapped strugglers Heart into moneybags City.

 

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Tight budget: Resources weren't great in John van 't Schip's initial stint at Melbourne Heart. Photo: Getty Images

 

In both incarnations, van 't Schip's job was not easy – for different and obvious reasons.

The first time round he had to put together a squad from scratch at a brand new club, joining Heart as one of their first employees – only CEO Scott Munn and then football manager John Didulica were senior officials around in those fledgling months as Heart were being created.

He then had to develop a philosophy and style in keeping with what Heart's original owners had decreed was their preference.

For marketing reasons and to differentiate Heart from all-conquering rivals Melbourne Victory, their owners wanted to brand the new club as a team appealing to footballing sophisticates, the sort routinely described as "Eurosnobs" in this country, people who say they like soccer but don't watch or support the A-League.

Van 't Schip, with his starry playing background and impeccable footballing connections, was brought in for the cachet he provided for footballing hipsters and for the image it was thought he could lend the start-up trying to find space in a marketplace dominated by a well-established rival.

It was an uphill struggle. For those used to seeing City as the most well-resourced club in the league it's easy to forget just how difficult things were for van 't Schip in those early days.

Heart trained on students' pitches at La Trobe University and, for a while, a long way out of the city up at Epping.

The club had no headquarters, players changed and prepared in the sort of accommodation more usually associated with pub teams, and, famously, used large rubbish bins filled with ice as cool-down baths to treat injuries, strains and tears. 

The reaction of men such as Harry Kewell and David Villa (who infamously played a handful of times in the first year following City's takeover) to such circumstances can only be imagined.

Up at La Trobe, on the bottom pitches they had to use before the City takeover changed their world, van 't Schip would supervise sessions on surfaces either lumpy from the rain or too hard because of the heat, injured players being sent for remedial work and physiotherapy in a temporary portakabin erected at the side of the car park.

A catering company would bus in sandwiches for the players for a post-training bonding meal, and the idea of a video room, on-site gym or the leisure facilities that now exist at City's purpose-built training ground were luxuries the staff and players could only dream of.

Yes, van 't Schip was handsomely paid. At that time estimates varied between $400,000 and $700,000 a year and many in the local game were aghast that a new franchise with no supporter base, identity or history would look to a foreign coach with no idea of the culture of the Australian game, the standard of the A-League or the strength of the domestic player pool to create a club.

But his appointment came just a couple of years after Guus Hiddink had brought the Socceroos such success at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, and all things Dutch (Pim Verbeek was at that point coach of the national team) were regarded by many as the key to success. Heart wanted to do things differently to other clubs, and they believed that van 't Schip, with his Ajax and Oranje pedigree, his connections to the great Johan Cruyff, would be able to act as a catalyst for the new side.

His first spell with the club lasted just two seasons. Unlike the ill-starred Gold Coast United, under Miron Bleiberg, nor Western Sydney Wanderers with Tony Popovic at the helm, Heart could not take the league by storm in their first campaign, finishing out of the finals.

But they did make the play-offs in their second season – losing to Perth in the first elimination final – before van 't Schip departed for the first time.

His return as coach came 18 months later, but it was to a very different set-up.

No longer was money a problem, and with the new training ground being developed and the resources – including, crucially, the scouting capacity – of the City group behind him, van 't Schip inherited what was now the best-funded and set-up club in the league.

Many expected him to quickly create a powerhouse with City's financial backing giving him the capacity to sign big-name marquee players and high-quality imports who would catapult the club (who were at the bottom of the league when he replaced John Aloisi in January 2014) right to the top.

But despite the CFG's money and influence it isn't, in a salary-capped league and restricted competition, possible to suddenly go from basket cases to champions. And there were enough objections from rivals and the governing body to scupper plans to bring in big names such as Frank Lampard in that first full season.

Yes, rapid improvement is possible and it is not unknown for a struggler one season to be in the top four the next, but winning the A-League title still takes structure, organisation, team spirit, commitment and belief by the players in the coach and the system. These things take time, and with the rapid turnover of players that van 't Schip presided over in his 2½ seasons in his second stint at City that wasn't always possible.

Was that his fault? Up to a point. He was the one making decisions on which players to keep, and which to retain, although he would dearly have loved to have kept Aaron Mooy before he was spirited away by City's owners. 

But he also had a duty to refine his squad, keep improving it and keep topping it up with higher-quality players or more experienced men who could fill a gap in the short-term as City developed the base on which to become regular A-League challengers.

Did he succeed? Over the two spells, he played a huge role in the birth and development of a club in a difficult environment, where neighbours Melbourne Victory, the biggest team in the league, have always overshadowed City.

In his four completed seasons with City he took them to the finals three times, including the penultimate week of the competition in the past two A-League seasons.

And he did bring the men's team their first silverware, when he guided them to the FFA Cup triumph in November last year.

It's not a bad legacy at all, I would suggest.

This was the season, when the new training ground had been bedded in, when Tim Cahill had been signed, when all the resources were now in place, that van 't Schip was expected to deliver the final prize.

With City in fourth place on the ladder at the time of his departure, the team still has a big job to do. But if his successor, Michael Valkanis, can guide City to a maiden championship or a grand final berth and Asian Champions League qualification, then van 't Schip will be able to claim plenty of the credit. 

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22 minutes ago, HEARTinator said:

Nice article by Lynch

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/it-was-a-game-of-two-halves-for-van-t-schip-as-heart-morphed-into-city-20170105-gtmtv3.html

It was a game of two halves for van 't Schip as Heart morphed into City

 

It's difficult to overstate the role John van 't Schip played in the history of the team that started out as Melbourne Heart and then became Melbourne City.

The Dutchman, who quit on Tuesday to return home to the Netherlands to help care for his elderly father, was an enormous presence as the club morphed from cash-strapped strugglers Heart into moneybags City.

 

1483682218069.jpg

Tight budget: Resources weren't great in John van 't Schip's initial stint at Melbourne Heart. Photo: Getty Images

 

In both incarnations, van 't Schip's job was not easy – for different and obvious reasons.

The first time round he had to put together a squad from scratch at a brand new club, joining Heart as one of their first employees – only CEO Scott Munn and then football manager John Didulica were senior officials around in those fledgling months as Heart were being created.

He then had to develop a philosophy and style in keeping with what Heart's original owners had decreed was their preference.

For marketing reasons and to differentiate Heart from all-conquering rivals Melbourne Victory, their owners wanted to brand the new club as a team appealing to footballing sophisticates, the sort routinely described as "Eurosnobs" in this country, people who say they like soccer but don't watch or support the A-League.

Van 't Schip, with his starry playing background and impeccable footballing connections, was brought in for the cachet he provided for footballing hipsters and for the image it was thought he could lend the start-up trying to find space in a marketplace dominated by a well-established rival.

It was an uphill struggle. For those used to seeing City as the most well-resourced club in the league it's easy to forget just how difficult things were for van 't Schip in those early days.

Heart trained on students' pitches at La Trobe University and, for a while, a long way out of the city up at Epping.

The club had no headquarters, players changed and prepared in the sort of accommodation more usually associated with pub teams, and, famously, used large rubbish bins filled with ice as cool-down baths to treat injuries, strains and tears. 

The reaction of men such as Harry Kewell and David Villa (who infamously played a handful of times in the first year following City's takeover) to such circumstances can only be imagined.

Up at La Trobe, on the bottom pitches they had to use before the City takeover changed their world, van 't Schip would supervise sessions on surfaces either lumpy from the rain or too hard because of the heat, injured players being sent for remedial work and physiotherapy in a temporary portakabin erected at the side of the car park.

A catering company would bus in sandwiches for the players for a post-training bonding meal, and the idea of a video room, on-site gym or the leisure facilities that now exist at City's purpose-built training ground were luxuries the staff and players could only dream of.

Yes, van 't Schip was handsomely paid. At that time estimates varied between $400,000 and $700,000 a year and many in the local game were aghast that a new franchise with no supporter base, identity or history would look to a foreign coach with no idea of the culture of the Australian game, the standard of the A-League or the strength of the domestic player pool to create a club.

But his appointment came just a couple of years after Guus Hiddink had brought the Socceroos such success at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, and all things Dutch (Pim Verbeek was at that point coach of the national team) were regarded by many as the key to success. Heart wanted to do things differently to other clubs, and they believed that van 't Schip, with his Ajax and Oranje pedigree, his connections to the great Johan Cruyff, would be able to act as a catalyst for the new side.

His first spell with the club lasted just two seasons. Unlike the ill-starred Gold Coast United, under Miron Bleiberg, nor Western Sydney Wanderers with Tony Popovic at the helm, Heart could not take the league by storm in their first campaign, finishing out of the finals.

But they did make the play-offs in their second season – losing to Perth in the first elimination final – before van 't Schip departed for the first time.

His return as coach came 18 months later, but it was to a very different set-up.

No longer was money a problem, and with the new training ground being developed and the resources – including, crucially, the scouting capacity – of the City group behind him, van 't Schip inherited what was now the best-funded and set-up club in the league.

Many expected him to quickly create a powerhouse with City's financial backing giving him the capacity to sign big-name marquee players and high-quality imports who would catapult the club (who were at the bottom of the league when he replaced John Aloisi in January 2014) right to the top.

But despite the CFG's money and influence it isn't, in a salary-capped league and restricted competition, possible to suddenly go from basket cases to champions. And there were enough objections from rivals and the governing body to scupper plans to bring in big names such as Frank Lampard in that first full season.

Yes, rapid improvement is possible and it is not unknown for a struggler one season to be in the top four the next, but winning the A-League title still takes structure, organisation, team spirit, commitment and belief by the players in the coach and the system. These things take time, and with the rapid turnover of players that van 't Schip presided over in his 2½ seasons in his second stint at City that wasn't always possible.

Was that his fault? Up to a point. He was the one making decisions on which players to keep, and which to retain, although he would dearly have loved to have kept Aaron Mooy before he was spirited away by City's owners. 

But he also had a duty to refine his squad, keep improving it and keep topping it up with higher-quality players or more experienced men who could fill a gap in the short-term as City developed the base on which to become regular A-League challengers.

Did he succeed? Over the two spells, he played a huge role in the birth and development of a club in a difficult environment, where neighbours Melbourne Victory, the biggest team in the league, have always overshadowed City.

In his four completed seasons with City he took them to the finals three times, including the penultimate week of the competition in the past two A-League seasons.

And he did bring the men's team their first silverware, when he guided them to the FFA Cup triumph in November last year.

It's not a bad legacy at all, I would suggest.

This was the season, when the new training ground had been bedded in, when Tim Cahill had been signed, when all the resources were now in place, that van 't Schip was expected to deliver the final prize.

With City in fourth place on the ladder at the time of his departure, the team still has a big job to do. But if his successor, Michael Valkanis, can guide City to a maiden championship or a grand final berth and Asian Champions League qualification, then van 't Schip will be able to claim plenty of the credit. 

This article really shows how far the club has come. And maybe if the owners stumped up cash for player signings inline with there thoughts on JVS's thoughts on football then we might be a totally different club. Either way i would still have followed the club and sometimes wonder if we wouldve grown at all without CFG money. 🤔

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Yes, under JvS' guidance we have made finals three times, but in S2 as Heart we were second on the ladder after Round 13 but just hung on to finish in sixth place, and in S5 we finished fifth on the ladder only because Perth were disqualified from the finals series and demoted to seventh. In S6 we were top after Round 25 only to lose the last two matches of the season and finish fourth on the ladder.

In the journey so far the club has become known for its ability to snatch a defeat out of the jaws of a draw, and a draw out of the jaws of victory. For me the first question is whether we are successful because we've won the FFA Cup, or unsuccessful because it's the only thing we've won? The second is just how much does Manchester really dictate to us? I simply don't believe that CFG dictates possession-based football at all costs, because that is just not logical; rather IMO they want success built on possession football. So I think that the success or otherwise of Melbourne City is determined by the local coaching staff rather than as a result of dictates from Manchester.

IMO it will be a lot easier for the journos to write an objective and balanced assessment of the JvS era at Heart/City when the personal issues that he is currently dealing with are not fresh in their minds.

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-city-underachieving-in-aleague-and-wleague-why/news-story/2af160112db4b4eeace74c6ca87ef8e6

THERE’S something in the water at Melbourne City.

From early season high-fliers to January drifters, things have stagnated for the club — both in the A-League and W-League.

After a promising start to the season, City has dropped well off the pace, with just six wins from 14 starts.

City currently sits nine points adrift of Victory, while its 14 points off league leaders Sydney FC.

Since their FFA Cup triumph, City has recorded four draws, one win and two losses – including a dire loss to league strugglers Adelaide United, a game reflecting their inability to play out a consistent 90 minutes.

KEY PERSONNEL LOST

A classic reason for teams experiencing a slide is a loss of top-tier talent and the roles they play within the side.

For City’s A-League team, the standout example is midfielder Aaron Mooy.

The playmaker was a revelation in Melbourne, recording an A-League record 21 assists along with 17 goals in a masterful season.

It was always going to be difficult to recreate the level of service provided by Mooy and Harry Novillo, who scored 13 goals in an impressive, if turbulent stint at City.

It’s fair to say the delivery into City’s final third this season isn’t quite at the levels it was in 2015/16.

The unfortunate departure of John van’t Schip for personal reasons has meant Michael Valkanis has had to step up as interim coach, with women’s team coach Joe Montemurro moving into the role of senior assistant coach to the A-League side.

In turn, playing assistant coach Jess Fishlock has been appointed interim head coach of the W-League side, while maintaining her playing duties – a far from ideal situation, though Fishlock’s personal form has remained strong.

KEY TACTICAL ISSUES

While City’s A-League side can be an attacking juggernaut when at its best, its deficiencies are left horribly exposed when it turns the ball over.

This was particularly evident when a back three was deployed, though City has still suffered when teams catch them on the break further up the park.

Despite the strong form of Neil Kilkenny and Michael Jakobsen, City still often commits basic defensive errors and lapses in concentration.

These errors are magnified when City’s forward line fails to function properly, as it has on many occasions this season.

While Bruno Fornaroli and Tim Cahill are both superb players, they have struggled to work together at times in the same starting XI.

While Bruce Kamau and at times, Fernando Brandan, have been superb down the wing, too often the chances they create are coming to nothing.

Luke Brattan started the season in superb form, earning himself a Socceroos call-up, but has been somewhat treading water in recent weeks.

CAN THEY STILL WIN THE LEAGUE?

This was meant to be the decisive A-League season for City, especially after getting the silverware monkey off its back in the form of the FFA Cup.

But it’s becoming harder to see City having the defensive resilience and consistency up front to dispose of the likes of Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory at the pointy end of the season.

That said, the blooding of centre-back Ruon Tongyik looks like it will pay dividends, with the youngster’s composure and smarts on the ball already adding surety to City’s defence.

If they can maintain a consistent defensive resolve, it would go a long way towards alleviating their defensive deficiencies.

 

 

 

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http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/melbourne-city-ready-to-capitalise-on-rival-melbourne-victorys-stumble-against-wellington/news-story/ea8f253737713cb05561b5879c09b9e9

 

MELBOURNE City defender Osama Malik said the top two is still attainable, after Melbourne Victory’s slip up at Wellington Phoenix.

City’s recent slump has seen them drop back to the pack, just two points ahead of fourth-place Brisbane Roar.

Though trailing Victory by nine points, City’s Malik believes his team has the talent to catch their local rivals with 12 rounds left.

“That’s our goal. We’ve only just passed the halfway mark, so there’s a lot of games to go and lots of points to be won, so we’re still confident,’’ Malik said.

“We’ve spoken about it and said we’re not concentrating too much on other teams, we’re in a position now where we can’t rely on other results, we’ve got to focus on ourselves.

“I think it is (realistic). As long as it’s mathematically possible, we’re always a chance and that’s what we need to be striving for.

“You can’t say the games we’ve played since the final we haven’t deserved to win. We were unlucky away to Sydney, we can beat any team on our day, it’s just about applying that.’’

Malik was among the City players and staff who mentored 90 youngsters during City Football Group’s week-long Young Leaders training program, designed to educate and empower young people via soccer.

He said City must be disciplined to overcome the Mariners, who they lost to on New Year’s Eve.

“It was a disappointing game at the time and one we should’ve won. The Mariners did well and scored some late goals and did well,’’ he said.

“(Tonight) is about putting in a good performance and sticking tight at the back and hopefully scoring some goals.’’

 

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1 hour ago, playmaker said:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/melbourne-city-ready-to-capitalise-on-rival-melbourne-victorys-stumble-against-wellington/news-story/ea8f253737713cb05561b5879c09b9e9

 

MELBOURNE City defender Osama Malik said the top two is still attainable, after Melbourne Victory’s slip up at Wellington Phoenix.

City’s recent slump has seen them drop back to the pack, just two points ahead of fourth-place Brisbane Roar.

Though trailing Victory by nine points, City’s Malik believes his team has the talent to catch their local rivals with 12 rounds left.

“That’s our goal. We’ve only just passed the halfway mark, so there’s a lot of games to go and lots of points to be won, so we’re still confident,’’ Malik said.

“We’ve spoken about it and said we’re not concentrating too much on other teams, we’re in a position now where we can’t rely on other results, we’ve got to focus on ourselves.

“I think it is (realistic). As long as it’s mathematically possible, we’re always a chance and that’s what we need to be striving for.

“You can’t say the games we’ve played since the final we haven’t deserved to win. We were unlucky away to Sydney, we can beat any team on our day, it’s just about applying that.’’

Malik was among the City players and staff who mentored 90 youngsters during City Football Group’s week-long Young Leaders training program, designed to educate and empower young people via soccer.

He said City must be disciplined to overcome the Mariners, who they lost to on New Year’s Eve.

“It was a disappointing game at the time and one we should’ve won. The Mariners did well and scored some late goals and did well,’’ he said.

“(Tonight) is about putting in a good performance and sticking tight at the back and hopefully scoring some goals.’’

 

We lost?

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1 hour ago, HEARTinator said:

" MELBOURNE City defender Osama Malik said the top two is still attainable, ... "

 

It's pretty clear now that this was JvS' KPI for this season. He knew it was unattainable so he left before he was shown the door.

JvS was tapped on the shoulder. No question in my mind about that.

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12 minutes ago, playmaker said:

You would hope so, unless there was some sort of payout, then CFG are still being tight when it comes to managers.

 

54 minutes ago, Dylan said:

And if that is the case then the search for the new manager started a while before he actually quit. 

To add to the post. They have known that JVS wouldnt be here next year for months

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9 hours ago, 3 Points said:

New logo confirms City will be in sky blue next season 

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"The brand strategy and design was developed in conjunction with FFA management, FFA’s brand agency Hulsbosch Design and two club chairmen as representatives of the leagues – Scott Barlow from Sydney FC and Simon Pearce from Melbourne City FC."

We spent big on Cahill and this is the payoff.

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41 minutes ago, HEARTinator said:

"The brand strategy and design was developed in conjunction with FFA management, FFA’s brand agency Hulsbosch Design and two club chairmen as representatives of the leagues – Scott Barlow from Sydney FC and Simon Pearce from Melbourne City FC."

We spent big on Cahill and this is the payoff.

FFA is "Sky City" Blue!

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56 minutes ago, Embee said:

Scott Munn confirmed at the FRG that we've got at least another 2 seasons of red and white away and didn't seem to feel like that would change anytime soon.

Are you a member of the FRG? If so, could you tell us (in the right thread) what is going on there and what has been discussed and resolved at recent meetings?

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11 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

Are you a member of the FRG? If so, could you tell us (in the right thread) what is going on there and what has been discussed and resolved at recent meetings?

I'm not a constant, we send a different member from the Melburnians group every month but I was at the last one (earlier this month).

Minutes were taken so I'll get onto the club and see what happened with them and give an update when I can

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Unfortunately it seems as though Melbourne City just won't listen to its fans on the subject of a darker shade of blue appearing on various items of kit, including the playing kit. The fans don't want it - some of us hate it - but the club insists on it because of brand.
Sadly I think that battle has been lost. City Football Group only listens to messages that it wants to hear. Nothing else will even be acknowledged, let alone answered. You only have to look at "City Voice" to realise that.

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When it comes to what supporters want/need it is very very clear that Cfg's care factor is ZERO. 

I have to say my feelings about how they manage this club and their arrogance are border line the same. 

I still love players but as for club I'm not in love anymore. 

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27 minutes ago, Jestr said:

When it comes to what supporters want/need it is very very clear that Cfg's care factor is ZERO. 

I have to say my feelings about how they manage this club and their arrogance are border line the same. 

I still love players but as for club I'm not in love anymore. 

Hence why Melbourne City should fear clubs like South Melbourne entering the league, I'm pretty sure there will be a shift in supporters solely alone to get the club feeling back.

I've always supported Heart and believe it or not but also Manchester City, even I have lost the club feel with this Melbourne City franchise. 

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