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51 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

Do you really think a left winger like Albo is electable? Need more than the latte set to vote for him.

I think he is likable and presents well as a down to earth type than most Politicians, and I think a lot of Australian's could view him as breath of fresh air to the Federal Leaders and Key Federal Politicians that have been on our screens over the past six years.

I could see a Jimmy Carter like sentiment in the electorate... obv less said about Carter the President the better.

18 hours ago, Tesla said:

This post sure does sound like passive aggressive bragging to me, two thing you apparently despise. 

No, it sounds like someone who for a period of well over six years has continued to remain Anonymous on this Forum and in particular in this stupid thread despite many of the occasions where I could have just Grandstanded on Several Topics where what PPL have written shit that is just plain wrong.

Also FWIW this situation of having access to information (None of it course ever being due to any merit of my own) that I dont say on here has only actually gotten harder to do over the last couple of years as well.

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Wonder how long these home invasions will continue until common sense prevails and people are given the right to defend their homes and families by any means necessary. 

Don't think there is any more retarded law than the fact you basically have to sit there and let cunts beat you / kill you when they break into your house if you dont want to end up in jail yourself.

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1 hour ago, Tesla said:

Wonder how long these home invasions will continue until common sense prevails and people are given the right to defend their homes and families by any means necessary. 

Don't think there is any more retarded law than the fact you basically have to sit there and let cunts beat you / kill you when they break into your house if you dont want to end up in jail yourself.

This could be the one thing that brings down Danny. People have to start taking precautions like you live in the 3rd world.

Needs to make sure the " tag and release" policy stops.

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53 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

This could be the one thing that brings down Danny. People have to start taking precautions like you live in the 3rd world.

Needs to make sure the " tag and release" policy stops.

Don't think Andrews is the problem tbh. The issue in Tesla's original post is a nation-wide issue where self-defence laws in this country massively favor the intruder(s) rather than the victims. As for the tag and release approach that seems to be a court issue. The bail system is a complete joke. Just look at the Bourke Street massacre. That being said, people will see the issue and instantly blame Dan unless he does something. Not sure exactly what he can do though to be honest. Unfortunately it's a much more complex issue than people make it out to be.

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48 minutes ago, GreenSeater said:

Unfortunately it's a much more complex issue than people make it out to be.

Pretty much everything is much more complex than it's made out to be!

Andrews hadn't caused this issue but really he's in the position where he'll be blamed if it continues like it is. There is stuff he can do. Heres some ideas:

1.Pass tougher sentencing laws (ie end tag and release).

2. put more police resources into sudanese community 

3. Work with the Feds to deport everyone of these crims who is not a citizen 

4. Work with the Feds to revoke citizenship of those not born here 

5 reduce funding of the left wing legal groups who support these criminals

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

Pretty much everything is much more complex than it's made out to be!

Andrews hadn't caused this issue but really he's in the position where he'll be blamed if it continues like it is. There is stuff he can do. Heres some ideas:

1.Pass tougher sentencing laws (ie end tag and release).

Agree with this, however I don't think Vic Liberals idea of madatory sentencing is a good idea. You just have to look at the US to see that madatory sentecing does not work.

2. put more police resources into sudanese community 

Agree but I think you'll find this is already happening to an extent.

3. Work with the Feds to deport everyone of these crims who is not a citizen 

This is already happening: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/173-criminals-including-two-from-the-apex-gang-set-for-deportation-under-tough-new-migration-laws/news-story/c0edb369de48c1a66745e34ab5a310d0

4. Work with the Feds to revoke citizenship of those not born here 

Definitely disagree with this. You can't take away a citizen's rights for committing a crime just because they were born overseas. 

5 reduce funding of the left wing legal groups who support these criminals

Absolutely ridiculous. Taking away legal support for people who likely cannot afford it and taking away their right to a fair trial, whether they are guilty or not goes against everything this country stands for.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Tesla said:

Wonder how long these home invasions will continue until common sense prevails and people are given the right to defend their homes and families by any means necessary. 

Don't think there is any more retarded law than the fact you basically have to sit there and let cunts beat you / kill you when they break into your house if you dont want to end up in jail yourself.

Provide evidence. Not hear say but real court cases.

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@GreenSeater

agree with you re mandatory sentencing.

in regards to legal funding I'm not talking about defending people who are charged, in talking about the vexatious stuff, like the cases to defend the "poor children" inside for serious crimes who destroyed the youth detention facility they were in. 

If a left wing philanthropist wants to spend their cash looking for loopholes to see these people released ok, but taxpayers money shouldn't be going to groups who waste it on these cases. How much of this actually happens? Not sure but I'd be surprised if all these lawyers were volunteers.

Oh also these violent crims must be selling their stolen goods somewhere. Cops have got to come down hard at that level too.

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On 5/10/2017 at 7:13 PM, thisphantomfortress said:

Being right of Lenin while living in the seat of Melbourne my vote counts for jack shit and I'll still probably vote lib dems, but Jesus I can't stomach thought of shorten as PM. I'd favour liberals over alp even after this abortion of a budget. @Deeming you're a card carrying liberal where do you see the party going?

The party is at a crossroad. Similar to where Labor was ~10 years ago. The rise of the Greens meant Labor had to decide do they go further Left to try to stem their loses to the Greens or do they stay centre left. They have gone far left and are paying the cost of that. They abandoned their base low-income battlers for inner city, chardonnay socialists types. Abandoning the base is the death of any party.

With the rise of alternative (broadly) right-wing parties One Nation, Liberal Democrats and the Australian Conservatives, the Liberals are in the same position. They need to decide do they move right to stem the loses, stay centre-right or move to be a centralist party.

The problem with a centralist position is you don't actually stand for anything and the public care more about politicians standing for something than nothing. If you don't have anything to stand for, you don't have a narrative to sell, you will not get support. That is the problem with the current Federal Libs. What do they stand for?

I don't think the Liberal Party can win the next election with Turnbull. Last election was a fluke and we only won because Dan Andrews was on the nose with CFA and Safe Schools in key seats. 
The solution is one they won't go for. Massive generational change. Switching to a younger leader who actually believes in the values of the party and wants to argue for them: Michael Sukkar, Andrew Hastie or Tim Wilson.

State-wise we are in a good place. We have a leader who actually is a strong believer in the Liberal Party and its values.We may well see the first truly Liberal government since Bolte.

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7 minutes ago, Deeming said:

The party is at a crossroad. Similar to where Labor was ~10 years ago. The rise of the Greens meant Labor had to decide do they go further Left to try to stem their loses to the Greens or do they stay centre left. They have gone far left and are paying the cost of that. They abandoned their base low-income battlers for inner city, chardonnay socialists types. Abandoning the base is the death of any party.

With the rise of alternative (broadly) right-wing parties One Nation, Liberal Democrats and the Australian Conservatives, the Liberals are in the same position. They need to decide do they move right to stem the loses, stay centre-right or move to be a centralist party.

The problem with a centralist position is you don't actually stand for anything and the public care more about politicians standing for something than nothing. If you don't have anything to stand for, you don't have a narrative to sell, you will not get support. That is the problem with the current Federal Libs. What do they stand for?

I don't think the Liberal Party can win the next election with Turnbull. Last election was a fluke and we only won because Dan Andrews was on the nose with CFA and Safe Schools in key seats. 
The solution is one they won't go for. Massive generational change. Switching to a younger leader who actually believes in the values of the party and wants to argue for them: Michael Sukkar, Andrew Hastie or Tim Wilson.

State-wise we are in a good place. We have a leader who actually is a strong believer in the Liberal Party and its values.We may well see the first truly Liberal government since Bolte.

There is a simple solution for the Liberal party 

 

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2 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said:

Pretty much in the same category as not having an interchange at South Yarra on the new train line.

But really the problem with all transport infrastructure is that we continue to funnel more and more people into the CBD while Melbourne grows so rapidly that transport infrastructure cannot keep up with the growth.

The only real answer is decentralise. Melbourne is already choking.

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2 hours ago, jw1739 said:

Pretty much in the same category as not having an interchange at South Yarra on the new train line.

But really the problem with all transport infrastructure is that we continue to funnel more and more people into the CBD while Melbourne grows so rapidly that transport infrastructure cannot keep up with the growth.

The only real answer is decentralise. Melbourne is already choking.

All of my working life this has been attempted. Federally they moved the tax department to Albury/Wodonga, statewide they moved the environment department out to Bendigo IIRC, etc. Multiple attempts to have technology/business parks around the outer suburbs, etc. When people are free to live or do business where they please, the CBDs win. I have no idea what could be done.

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Youth supervision for violent armed robbery? Has the world gone mad? 

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16 hours ago, Shahanga said:

Youth supervision for violent armed robbery? Has the world gone mad? 

The ongoing legacy of Labor's former Attorney General Rob Hulls who filled the courts with bleeding hearts 

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7 hours ago, Deeming said:

The ongoing legacy of Labor's former Attorney General Rob Hulls who filled the courts with bleeding hearts 

Including a bloke who had to be sacked when he was a Loose Fucken Cannon as the DPP.

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