Shahanga Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 01/02/2017 at 11:57 AM, hedaik said: The Age isn't perfect but I think its the most neutral newspaper in Victoria Lol. their staff can write well, I'll give them that, but neutral? No way. They seem to be a greens mouth piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Shahanga said: Lol. their staff can write well, I'll give them that, but neutral? No way. They seem to be a greens mouth piece. Maybe I should clarify that Im only referring to their news articles, I dont really bother reading the opinion pieces (except Clementine Ford) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, hedaik said: Maybe I should clarify that Im only referring to their news articles, I dont really bother reading the opinion pieces (except Clementine Ford) Are you serious? That's my whole point about The Age being a cocoon for those who subscribe to Identity Politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, cadete said: Are you serious? I suspect not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 2, 2017 Report Share Posted February 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Shahanga said: Lol. their staff can write well, I'll give them that, but neutral? No way. They seem to be a greens mouth piece. Even their staff writing well is questionable. Grammar and spelling mistakes are becoming more prevalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) Surprised there are no posts in this thread today. Dunno what to make of today's news tbh. Edited February 6, 2017 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Personally think it will be a good thing for the government. May mean less pressure on Turnbull from the right of the party meaning they can appeal to more moderates. The biggest loser from this will be Pauline Hanson and One Nation as this will just divide up their voter base amongst the two parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just a lot of noise for a while. That will dog the government. Come election time he will lose because he lacks the charisma and common touch of Hanson. Wouldn't be surprised if he did join ON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 This may well be the last chance of the Liberal Party to govern in their own right again. If they don't start reflecting the values of their base they will not be able to win elections. The party membership is small these days and ageing. They cannot afford to lose many supporters to the other right wing groups. One Nation, LDP. With Cory going it gives a viable option for those who are conservative but not attracted to Hansonism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Deeming said: This may well be the last chance of the Liberal Party to govern in their own right again. If they don't start reflecting the values of their base they will not be able to win elections. The party membership is small these days and ageing. They cannot afford to lose many supporters to the other right wing groups. One Nation, LDP. With Cory going it gives a viable option for those who are conservative but not attracted to Hansonism. I can't recall a federal government where the Liberal party did not govern in a coalition with the National/Country party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, NewConvert said: I can't recall a federal government where the Liberal party did not govern in a coalition with the National/Country party. I mean they will have to go into Coalition with One Nation (already being talked about in Queensland) or the new Bernardi group or Shooters and Fishers etc 7 minutes ago, NewConvert said: Just a lot of noise for a while. That will dog the government. Come election time he will lose because he lacks the charisma and common touch of Hanson. Wouldn't be surprised if he did join ON. His term goes to 2022, and you will find his personal support is massive, that's why he was able to secure the #1 spot on the SA senate ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Deeming said: I mean they will have to go into Coalition with One Nation (already being talked about in Queensland) or the new Bernardi group or Shooters and Fishers etc His term goes to 2022, and you will find his personal support is massive, that's why he was able to secure the #1 spot on the SA senate ticket. Didn't realise that he was going to be there until 2022. However securing a spot on the senate ticket is a function of securing the vote of party delegates not the whole state. Yes he may have a massive base inside teh Liberal party but whether this translates to votes across the whole population remains untested. FWIW ALP/Lib/Nats political parties normally assume that a politician's personal vote is about 2%. In teh past there have been politicians that do win on their personal votes - Brian Harradine, Don Chipp, Hanson (now). That is why I think that if he went alone in a half senate election he won't get up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, GreenSeater said: Personally think it will be a good thing for the government. May mean less pressure on Turnbull from the right of the party meaning they can appeal to more moderates. The biggest loser from this will be Pauline Hanson and One Nation as this will just divide up their voter base amongst the two parties. This is how they got into trouble in the first place. Appealing to these 'moderates' who they imagine will all of a sudden stop voting Green or Labor. It doesn't happen. Although they might like Turnbull more than Abbott types - they aren't changing their vote. Instead the previous base of the Liberal Party has started drifting to other parties. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 What exactly are the 'moderate' issues , seems climate change etc is the main one? And 18C etc? Probably gay marriage as well (though tbh it wouldnt surprise me if a slight majority of Liberal voters are for it)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 http://www.theage.com.au/national/what-type-of-aussie-are-you-meet-the-7-new-political-tribes-20170203-gu57b2.html Where are we all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, marn11 said: http://www.theage.com.au/national/what-type-of-aussie-are-you-meet-the-7-new-political-tribes-20170203-gu57b2.html Where are we all? Again with these shit questions like every other political compass: "I think that the difference between high and low incomes should be smaller" Who the fuck doesnt think that, the real question is "I think that the difference between high and low incomes should be smaller even if it decreases income for everyone overall" Edit: Ambitious Saver but pretty much tied with Progressive Cosmopolitan (lol what) Edited February 6, 2017 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tesla said: Again with these shit questions like every other political compass: "I think that the difference between high and low incomes should be smaller" Who the fuck doesnt think that, the real question is "I think that the difference between high and low incomes should be smaller even if it decreases income for everyone overall" Edit: Ambitious Saver but pretty much tied with Cosmopolitan Progressive (lol what) Equality of income distrubution is a non issue for me. Same, except Ambitious Saver by a decent margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, marn11 said: Equality of income distrubution is a non issue for me. I meant the question is framed in a way to make people give a more left wing answer, probably because these quizzes are always made by someone from the left. Edited February 6, 2017 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marn11 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Tesla said: I meant the question is framed in a way to make people give a more left wing answer, probably because these quizzes are always made by someone from the left. I knew what they were asking and went with strongly disagree. Fuck the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, Tesla said: I meant the question is framed in a way to make people give a more left wing answer, probably because these quizzes are always made by someone from the left. Written by ANU and the age... i was talking to @Embee today about how leftist retardation surrounding trump has pushed me more to the right. Wouldn't vote Bernardi though, too many religious undertones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just now, thisphantomfortress said: Written by ANU and the age... i was talking to @Embee today about how leftist retardation surrounding trump has pushed me more to the right. Wouldn't vote Bernardi though, too many religious undertones Leftist retardation will make people do crazy things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 hours ago, marn11 said: http://www.theage.com.au/national/what-type-of-aussie-are-you-meet-the-7-new-political-tribes-20170203-gu57b2.html Where are we all? Yeah I think this is a pretty poor quiz tbh, very biased wording of questions and these labels are weird as fuck. Got equal for activist egalitarian and progressive cosmopolitan so basically just confirming the fact I'm an annoying lefty fuckwit. My third highest was dissolutioned pessimist which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever as I take a fairly keen interest in politics and am usually rather positive. 2 hours ago, Tesla said: Again with these shit questions like every other political compass: "I think that the difference between high and low incomes should be smaller" Who the fuck doesnt think that, the real question is "I think that the difference between high and low incomes should be smaller even if it decreases income for everyone overall" Edit: Ambitious Saver but pretty much tied with Progressive Cosmopolitan (lol what) Yeah I think progressive cosmopolitan is what you get for giving fairly libertarian answers for some reason as I retook it a few times with different answers just to see what each leads to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 39 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: Yeah I think progressive cosmopolitan is what you get for giving fairly libertarian answers for some reason as I retook it a few times with different answers just to see what each leads to. Well it does basically say you care about social issue but not so much income equality, so yeah it is along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 8 hours ago, Tesla said: I meant the question is framed in a way to make people give a more left wing answer, probably because these quizzes are always made by someone from the left. This would be the second time that you raise this, the first time being prior to the election. You are in denial - secretly inside you are half leftist but can't come to terms with it On a more serious note I have noticed over the last 12 months that some people claim anyone who disagrees with them must be a leftist, thus in the Financial Times/The Economist comments section you see heaps of people claiming that these organs of capitalism are nothing but left wing rags. Finally, your claim that Trump has surrounded himself with leftists - hmm. I don't think that either Trump or any of the people around him have a political orientation (hence he went from being a Democrat to a Republican). They look at things from whats in it for me and how do I feel about it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) FWIW fringe elements of the Conservative Australian Electorate has explored these Right Wing Options with things like One Nation or even the PUP before... almost every time the media writes about the scary popularity of these parties/independents only for them to fall as hard as they originally rose. Personally I think this is because these Political Options usually do a pretty good job of revealing to the electorate of their incompetence over a few years. Alongside this I think the PPL who vote for such parties will often return to the Coalition if they know an election is going to be a tight contest... the last Federal Election was a Government in its First Term Election and thus was not predicted to be as close as it ended up being for the Coalition. Edited February 6, 2017 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, NewConvert said: Finally, your claim that Trump has surrounded himself with leftists - hmm. When did I claim that? Edited February 7, 2017 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 22 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said: Written by ANU and the age... i was talking to @Embee today about how leftist retardation surrounding trump has pushed me more to the right. Wouldn't vote Bernardi though, too many religious undertones 22 hours ago, Tesla said: Leftist retardation will make people do crazy things. 6 hours ago, Tesla said: When did I claim that? My error - misread the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 On 06/02/2017 at 8:44 PM, marn11 said: http://www.theage.com.au/national/what-type-of-aussie-are-you-meet-the-7-new-political-tribes-20170203-gu57b2.html Where are we all? Speaking of people's different political opinions, how many people actually live by their political beliefs? I dont see many of these hard core right wing cunts going around killing muslims or black people or whatever. I dont see many extreme left wing cunts giving away most their income to the less fortunate. If you arent willing to live by your beliefs, why should anyone else give a fuck about what you think? Talk is cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Tesla said: Speaking of people's different political opinions, how many people actually live by their political beliefs? I dont see many of these hard core right wing cunts going around killing muslims or black people or whatever. I dont see many extreme left wing cunts giving away most their income to the less fortunate. If you arent willing to live by your beliefs, why should anyone else give a fuck about what you think? Talk is cheap. That applies to everything: religious beliefs, CFG, this forum, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 5 hours ago, Tesla said: Speaking of people's different political opinions, how many people actually live by their political beliefs? I dont see many of these hard core right wing cunts going around killing muslims or black people or whatever. I dont see many extreme left wing cunts giving away most their income to the less fortunate. If you arent willing to live by your beliefs, why should anyone else give a fuck about what you think? Talk is cheap. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment... however unfortunately the Extreme Left (Those past being ALP voters) have not cared about the Working Class for a long time anyway unless they can be discussed by Race, Sexuality or Gender. If anything they see the Working Class as the enemy who votes in their opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Tesla said: Speaking of people's different political opinions, how many people actually live by their political beliefs? I dont see many of these hard core right wing cunts going around killing muslims or black people or whatever. I dont see many extreme left wing cunts giving away most their income to the less fortunate. If you arent willing to live by your beliefs, why should anyone else give a fuck about what you think? Talk is cheap. Tbh I probably embody more traditional leftist views in my day to day life than most lefties. But I suppose this is why I lean libertarian, people should choose what and how they live without a political elite forcing rules upon them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Tbh I probably embody more traditional leftist views in my day to day life than most lefties. But I suppose this is why I lean libertarian, people should choose what and how they live without a political elite forcing rules upon them. Do you mean like how PPL decide to go Dumpster Diving after they see it into a Eco Drama Film? Edited February 7, 2017 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tesla Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 5 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said: Tbh I probably embody more traditional leftist views in my day to day life than most lefties. But I suppose this is why I lean libertarian, people should choose what and how they live without a political elite forcing rules upon them. Dont see how I could live a more Libertarian lifestyle myself, but then again I suppose living a Libertarian lifestyle is easy as fuck since you're achieving it just by doing whatever the fuck you want and allowing others to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tesla Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Ethered him tbh. Shorten has no choice but to quit after that. I don't know what's better, hearing Trump say China, or hearing Trumble say Cristal. Edited February 8, 2017 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tesla said: Ethered him tbh. Shorten has no choice but to quit after that. I don't know what's better, hearing Trump say China, or hearing Trumble say Cristal. The blowing lines at the end made me genuinely laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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