cadete Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 It's kind of pointless to argue whether the Founding Fathers got it right or wrong on most things it was written in such a different time. The section on Federal Powers was written specifically to protect State Rights and over time the High Court had effectively interpreted it as the opposite. Likewise the whole concept of the Senate was to protect State Rights - And these days it just ends up putting a bunch of weirdos in Parliament for eight years on the back of a few miniscle votes in Tasmania and South Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Turnbull's time is up. He lost a cabinet decision on the citizenship audit "check-up report" and now James Campbell the Herald Sun journo who has been one of his cheerleaders has effectively called time on him. The only question now is who will take over and when. My guess he will wait and if the SSM survey gets up once parliament then passes SSM, he will resign with that being his victory. The 'who' is the harder question: Julie Bishop has declined in support. Scott Morrison has lost support of the conservatives and is tainted by the Turnbull budgets. Peter Dutton may be seen as too inexperienced or not enough of a media performer. That's about it for likely candidates though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deeming said: Turnbull's time is up. He lost a cabinet decision on the citizenship audit "check-up report" and now James Campbell the Herald Sun journo who has been one of his cheerleaders has effectively called time on him. The only question now is who will take over and when. My guess he will wait and if the SSM survey gets up once parliament then passes SSM, he will resign with that being his victory. The 'who' is the harder question: Julie Bishop has declined in support. Scott Morrison has lost support of the conservatives and is tainted by the Turnbull budgets. Peter Dutton may be seen as too inexperienced or not enough of a media performer. That's about it for likely candidates though. From a purely political perspective, it might as well be Tony Abbott. It is likely we will lose the next election regardless, therefore bringing him back means that you gain the faith of the conservative voter base and you have a dogged opposition leader who will give Bill Shorten a tough time. Then ideally bring in SM/PD/JB as the new leader leading into the following election as it is highly unlikely Abbott would ever be able to win another election. This of course would require TA to retire as leader a year out from the election. Something I am not sure he would be keen on doing, though you might be able to convince him that it is necessary for the survival of the party. Edited November 9, 2017 by malloy edit: the only issue is whether bring in TA for the next election would result in a bigger landslide than having MT at the helm in the next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, malloy said: From a purely political perspective, it might as well be Tony Abbott. It is likely we will lose the next election regardless, therefore bringing him back means that you gain the faith of the conservative voter base and you have a dogged opposition leader who will give Bill Shorten a tough time. Then ideally bring in SM/PD/JB as the new leader leading into the following election as it is highly unlikely Abbott would ever be able to win another election. This of course would require TA to retire as leader a year out from the election. Something I am not sure he would be keen on doing, though you might be able to convince him that it is necessary for the survival of the party. Possibly it would stem the loss of votes to One Nation and the Conservatives but I think the support he used to have within the parliamentary party has dried up. It would make sense for the next person to bring him back into cabinet though. I think if he sees Malcolm go he will be happy enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Deeming said: Possibly it would stem the loss of votes to One Nation and the Conservatives but I think the support he used to have within the parliamentary party has dried up. It would make sense for the next person to bring him back into cabinet though. I think if he sees Malcolm go he will be happy enough. I was also thinking along the lines of not tainting a potential PM with a long stint in opposition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 4 hours ago, malloy said: I was also thinking along the lines of not tainting a potential PM with a long stint in opposition. John Howard had two stints as opposition leader, so not sure about the concept of taint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 20 hours ago, malloy said: From a purely political perspective, it might as well be Tony Abbott. It is likely we will lose the next election regardless, therefore bringing him back means that you gain the faith of the conservative voter base and you have a dogged opposition leader who will give Bill Shorten a tough time. Then ideally bring in SM/PD/JB as the new leader leading into the following election as it is highly unlikely Abbott would ever be able to win another election. This of course would require TA to retire as leader a year out from the election. Something I am not sure he would be keen on doing, though you might be able to convince him that it is necessary for the survival of the party. The election is lost...a fresh PM with little time in the job and little time to be critiqued has a better chance of retaining seats than Abbott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Facebook just got a little bit less enjoyable now that there won't be any No Voters having a cry everytime somebody mentions their support for SSM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, hedaik said: Facebook just got a little bit less enjoyable now that there won't be any No Voters having a cry everytime somebody mentions their support for SSM. Not for the immediate future. Watch all the parties hijack it to suit their own interests. Not to mention all the insufferable virtue signalling going on. Edited November 15, 2017 by bt50 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, bt50 said: Not for the immediate future. Watch all the parties hijack it to suit their own interests. Not to mention all the insufferable virtue signalling going on. TTDIM: Calling out all said virtue signallers on Facebook Edited November 15, 2017 by n i k o TTDIM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 So VICTORIA is the least homophobic of the States , with NSW being the most homophobic How the states voted 10:13 A state-by-state break down of participation and the result (ABS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 18 minutes ago, japiedog said: So VICTORIA is the least homophobic of the States , with NSW being the most homophobic This sentence is a TTIM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, n i k o said: This sentence is a TTIM pourquoi ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, japiedog said: pourquoi ? The way the term 'homophobia' has been transformed to be used to label people that have an opposing view to the gay/lesbian community. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, n i k o said: TTDIM: Calling out all said virtue signallers on Facebook Dont think Id be getting dinner cooked for me tonight if I were to do that 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 SSM opinion poll. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/same-sex-marriage-results-ssm/9145636 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, n i k o said: The way the term 'homophobia' has been transformed to be used to label people that have an opposing view to the gay/lesbian community. Fair enough ,just showing the stats..... & light hearted banter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Geez Labor and the Greens must be losing their shit over the stats breakdown. 9 of the top 10 no voting electorates held by Labor (other is National) and most of the no vote electorates are from the more multicultural areas. The racist, bigoted, privileged old white people have fucked them over again! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, bt50 said: Geez Labor and the Greens must be losing their shit over the stats breakdown. 9 of the top 10 no voting electorates held by Labor (other is National) and most of the no vote electorates are from the more multicultural areas. The racist, bigoted, privileged old white people have fucked them over again! Same sort of patterns occurred in the Republican Referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, bt50 said: Geez Labor and the Greens must be losing their shit over the stats breakdown. 9 of the top 10 no voting electorates held by Labor (other is National) and most of the no vote electorates are from the more multicultural areas. The racist, bigoted, privileged old white people have fucked them over again! my electorate voted no... it has the highest ratio of immigrants in Victoria , so not just racist, bigoted, privileged old white people, ( that's me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, bt50 said: Geez Labor and the Greens must be losing their shit over the stats breakdown. 9 of the top 10 no voting electorates held by Labor (other is National) and most of the no vote electorates are from the more multicultural areas. The racist, bigoted, privileged old white people have fucked them over again! Guessing theres a large amount of tradies in those electorates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, hedaik said: Guessing theres a large amount of tradies in those electorates? Bloody unions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 33 minutes ago, japiedog said: my electorate voted no... it has the highest ratio of immigrants in Victoria , so not just racist, bigoted, privileged old white people, ( that's me) Racist, bigoted, old, white.....can say "yes" to all those, but where does the "privileged" come into it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Racist, bigoted, old, white.....can say "yes" to all those, but where does the "privileged" come into it? true, immigrant to this country too, father was a factory worker, mother in a textiles "production line" , not too much privilege there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 On 11/15/2017 at 3:11 PM, japiedog said: true, immigrant to this country too, father was a factory worker, mother in a textiles "production line" , not too much privilege there I have to keep reminding myself that we old, white, racist, bigoted, hetero males are directly responsible for everything that anyone in the world wants or wanted but hasn't got or didn't have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 3 hours ago, jw1739 said: I have to keep reminding myself that we old, white, racist, bigoted, hetero males are directly responsible for everything that anyone in the world wants or wanted but hasn't got or didn't have. Don't pat yourself too hard on the back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 These anti-terrorist bollards and planter boxes - how are they going to stand up against trucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: These anti-terrorist bollards and planter boxes - how are they going to stand up against trucks? Apparently pretty well. Could just solve the problem through immigration reform though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 8 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said: Apparently pretty well. Could just solve the problem through immigration reform though. Dimitirious Gargasoulas was born in Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, NewConvert said: Dimitirious Gargasoulas was born in Oz. TBH I just said it to be a troll. On a side note I happen to know his half brother (not the one constantly in the news, the other one who was also in the news) the whole family is fucked it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said: TBH I just said it to be a troll. On a side note I happen to know his half brother (not the one constantly in the news, the other one who was also in the news) the whole family is fucked it seems. Then we need better contraceptives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 So some tax cuts for the middle classes .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, japiedog said: So some tax cuts for the middle classes .......... Oh, I thought he meant tax cuts for the LGBTIQ+ community...they are his flavour of the year. Seriously, Malcolm, get a grip. Now that the SSM opinion poll has been conducted and has delivered a result, could we get on with actually running the country for the benefit of all Australians? Which means that we don't suspend planned sittings of either parliamentary house but get on with some serious business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Oh, I thought he meant tax cuts for the LGBTIQ+ community...they are his flavour of the year. Seriously, Malcolm, get a grip. Now that the SSM opinion poll has been conducted and has delivered a result, could we get on with actually running the country for the benefit of all Australians? Which means that we don't suspend planned sittings of either parliamentary house but get on with some serious business. TBH at a federal level life just keeps ticking away for me, sure tax cuts will be nice but this government hasn't been too invasive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: TBH at a federal level life just keeps ticking away for me, sure tax cuts will be nice but this government hasn't been too invasive. seems like a bit of a "look here look here" tax cuts, more money for you ...... "Don't look there , Don't look there ...." we can't govern cos we haven't got the numbers ..... Edited November 21, 2017 by japiedog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 $16bn for by far the worst route possible for the NEL, construction costs have gotten even more ludicrous under Labor government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, Tesla said: $16bn for by far the worst route possible for the NEL, construction costs have gotten even more ludicrous under Labor government. I reckon all future major road construction should be by private enterprise and be paid for by tolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I reckon all future major road construction should be by private enterprise and be paid for by tolls. I have no problem helping to pay for things by tolls but why is it only acceptable that this applies to roads? Try adding a Medicare co-payment and you are evil. Tolls are really co-payments and they should apply to (virtually) everything the government supplies. If the public cannot see enough value in the service to help pay for it, then the government shouldn't be paying for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Governments do not pay for anything - taxpayers do. What really you're saying is "If the users cannot see enough value in the service to help pay for it, then the taxpayers should not be paying for it." A sentiment I agree with in general terms, but IMO there have to be boundaries around that. A civilised society must have safety nets. It's a matter of what's in the net and what is not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Deeming said: I have no problem helping to pay for things by tolls but why is it only acceptable that this applies to roads? Try adding a Medicare co-payment and you are evil. Tolls are really co-payments and they should apply to (virtually) everything the government supplies. If the public cannot see enough value in the service to help pay for it, then the government shouldn't be paying for it. I'm actually all for toll roads, all freeways should be tolled, only because its impractical to toll the other roads as well. At the same time, PT users should have to pay closer to the true cost of their transport as well, rather than receiving a very substantial subsidy. Yet to see a good reason to not have a GP co-payment TBH, people should be very happy paying $10 to see a GP rather than paying $60 or w/e it should actually cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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