GreenSeater Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 8 hours ago, NewConvert said: I haven't been to the snow fields this year, usually go to central Victoria, or along the coast to Lorne using the inland route. The Yarra Valley does have 100Km/h zones but all the bends and curves are taken at much lower speeds. I have seen in the past vehicles take bends too fast only to end up in the ditch. FWIW I never mentioned corners in my post, I meant hills as in crests where you cannot see the other side until you are over it. Even if you have slowed down to go over this (as you should do, same with corners) the majority of drivers (or even the minority, it doesn't matter it only takes one) will not slow down enough to avoid a potentially deadly crash caused by cars going much slower on the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 13 hours ago, NewConvert said: I haven't been to the snow fields this year, usually go to central Victoria, or along the coast to Lorne using the inland route. The Yarra Valley does have 100Km/h zones but all the bends and curves are taken at much lower speeds. I have seen in the past vehicles take bends too fast only to end up in the ditch. Fun story. A few years ago my dad got his tarago impounded on the way to the snow cause of the hoon laws 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said:  tarago You're Asian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted July 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, Tesla said: You're Asian? If you were from the SE you would have said Islander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 42 minutes ago, Tesla said: You're Asian? Nah my parents just enjoyed procreation and had the misfortune of being genetically predisposed to twins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 I'm not sure whether this makes me laugh or cry... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-14/senator-scott-ludlam-resign-constitution-dual-citizenship/8708606 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 I laughed.  A great way to end the week. But speculation is Ludlam resigns, renounces is NZ citizenship, the spot goes to #3 on the Greens ticket Jordon Steele-John who then rejects the seat, this creates a casual vacancy, the Greens get to chose who fills the vacancy, Ludlam meanwhile is only an Australian citizen, Greens re-chose Ludlam, Ludlam returns to the Senate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Fuck me copying the UK's retarded laws agaisnt encrpytion now, this fgovernment is clueless. All the things the government justifies as helping fight terrorism is a far bigger issue than terrorism itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 While on the subject of terrorism, seems acid attacks are the new fashion, just goes to show people that want to commit acts of violence will always find a weapon. You restrict guns they start mowing people down in trucks, you put bollards up to stop truck attacks they use knives and acid, etc  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted July 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 On 7/15/2017 at 6:38 PM, Tesla said: While on the subject of terrorism, seems acid attacks are the new fashion, just goes to show people that want to commit acts of violence will always find a weapon. You restrict guns they start mowing people down in trucks, you put bollards up to stop truck attacks they use knives and acid, etc  Such a great and original argument... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 A true argument none the less. Interesting how it took a muslim guy getting rolled by white guy for acid attacks to get on the map... even though there had already been over 1500 in london alone since 2012. With something like 90% of since were in heavy populated muslim neighbourhoods. Political correctness is literally allowing (mostly young women) to get acid attacked, FGM'ed and marry off to pedophiles. No one has the balls to tell a brown person so stop being a fucking barbarian. If we don't don't swing that pendulum back quickly than it'll create more and more right wing terrorists and possibly lead to all out civil war in some countries. BTW just check out the stats regarding Poland and terrorism. They have the balls to tell the EU to get  fucked, they don't care about being called racist and as a result they don't have a single muslim terrorist attack despite have the 8th biggest population in Europe. Strongest economy since the GFC and birth rates are rising too. Ladies and gentlemen... the triumphant return of the great Kingdom of Poland is upon us! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On 7/15/2017 at 6:38 PM, Tesla said: While on the subject of terrorism, seems acid attacks are the new fashion, just goes to show people that want to commit acts of violence will always find a weapon. You restrict guns they start mowing people down in trucks, you put bollards up to stop truck attacks they use knives and acid, etc  I had a friend who was writing his PhD on Islamic terrorism back around 2003. He said that they always change their method. He predicted that they would target either the Spanish or the Italians next and it would be a new method. They were seen as the most wavering members of the coalition of the willing. He said they will get targeted, their governments would cave in, withdraw support and other nations will follow. Sure enough, they bombed a train in Madrid, Spain withdrew, then other countries started withdrawing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Greens lose another Senator - one you can maybe chalk up to an mistake, two is incompetence Edited July 18, 2017 by Deeming 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 25 minutes ago, Deeming said: Greens lose another Senator - one you can maybe chalk up to an mistake, two is incompetence Certainly is. But seriously, WTF is wrong with our parliamentary system when eligibility apparently goes unchecked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Deeming said: Greens lose another Senator - one you can maybe chalk up to an mistake, two is incompetence It's beyond incompetence, it's indicative of a systemic issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted July 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: It's beyond incompetence, it's indicative of a systemic issue You mean how the system is run by "White Privileged Males"  like myself (According to @strider)? Edited July 18, 2017 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) So politicians are allowed to break some pretty fucking serious laws with no consequence? Forget you had dual citizenship? Lol fuck off, no one forgets that. Regardless, try forgetting to do your tax return, see what that gets you. Arguably a less serious crime than this. Or better yet, forget that you had access to insider information before making a financial transaction. I've made my thoughts about white collar crime clear before so I'm not going to say they should go to jail or whatever, but I think a $5k-$10k fine and 2-5 years ban from holding a political office would be more than reasonable. Realistically, under current laws applicable to other white collar crime, a jail term is probably reasonable though (not that I agree with it). Edited July 18, 2017 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, cadete said: You mean how the system is run by "White Privileged Males"  like myself (According to @strider)? Det what is in a name, that which we call will taste like semen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 40 minutes ago, strider said: Det what is in a name, that which we call will taste like semen? 10/10 for effort. 2/10 for execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 6 hours ago, Deeming said: Greens lose another Senator - one you can maybe chalk up to an mistake, two is incompetence You think if they had a brain they'd have joined the Greens? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Tesla said: So politicians are allowed to break some pretty fucking serious laws with no consequence? Forget you had dual citizenship? Lol fuck off, no one forgets that. Regardless, try forgetting to do your tax return, see what that gets you. Arguably a less serious crime than this. Or better yet, forget that you had access to insider information before making a financial transaction. I've made my thoughts about white collar crime clear before so I'm not going to say they should go to jail or whatever, but I think a $5k-$10k fine and 2-5 years ban from holding a political office would be more than reasonable. Realistically, under current laws applicable to other white collar crime, a jail term is probably reasonable though (not that I agree with it). http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/sda1959280/s11.html I think nomination forms are or have a section that are considered statutory declarations (maybe @Deeming could clarify?)  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 19 hours ago, Tesla said: So politicians are allowed to break some pretty fucking serious laws with no consequence? Forget you had dual citizenship? Lol fuck off, no one forgets that. Regardless, try forgetting to do your tax return, see what that gets you. Arguably a less serious crime than this. Or better yet, forget that you had access to insider information before making a financial transaction. I've made my thoughts about white collar crime clear before so I'm not going to say they should go to jail or whatever, but I think a $5k-$10k fine and 2-5 years ban from holding a political office would be more than reasonable. Realistically, under current laws applicable to other white collar crime, a jail term is probably reasonable though (not that I agree with it). For someone intending to hold public office it is indeed inexcusable. I was born in the UK, and I confess I thought that by formally taking Australian citizenship I had automatically revoked my UK citizenship. Not until my son used my birth certificate to apply for and gain a European Community passport did I realise that I held dual citizenship, and that it would cost something like $500 to formally revoke my UK status. Needless to say I haven't bothered to pay up because there's no point in doing so. I wonder how many "ordinary people" are actually dual citizens without realising it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Here's another one worth a read. How on earth do people get away with this sort of thing? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-18/recruitment-of-vline-manager-raise-real-concerns,-ibac-told/8721506 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, jw1739 said: For someone intending to hold public office it is indeed inexcusable. I was born in the UK, and I confess I thought that by formally taking Australian citizenship I had automatically revoked my UK citizenship. Not until my son used my birth certificate to apply for and gain a European Community passport did I realise that I held dual citizenship, and that it would cost something like $500 to formally revoke my UK status. Needless to say I haven't bothered to pay up because there's no point in doing so. I wonder how many "ordinary people" are actually dual citizens without realising it? I currently have three; UK from birth along with NZ and Aus through naturalisation. Too much hassle to get rid of any of them so I haven't bothered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 26 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: I currently have three; UK from birth along with NZ and Aus through naturalisation. Too much hassle to get rid of any of them so I haven't bothered. What benefit do you get from dropping citizenship? Seems like you're just giving up flexibility and convenience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just now, Jimmy said: What benefit do you get from dropping citizenship? Seems like you're just giving up flexibility and convenience. Spot on, I think you're only "meant to" have two. Aus is the only country I am registered to vote but I have a passport for all three (NZ may have expired will need to check that, not that I use it anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 17 hours ago, malloy said: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/sda1959280/s11.html I think nomination forms are or have a section that are considered statutory declarations (maybe @Deeming could clarify?)  You have to declare that you are eligible for election to the Senate with references to the clauses in that pesky Constitution. It doesn't specifically say I am not a dual citizen. Grown ups would check these things out before nominating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 4 hours ago, jw1739 said: For someone intending to hold public office it is indeed inexcusable. I was born in the UK, and I confess I thought that by formally taking Australian citizenship I had automatically revoked my UK citizenship. Not until my son used my birth certificate to apply for and gain a European Community passport did I realise that I held dual citizenship, and that it would cost something like $500 to formally revoke my UK status. Needless to say I haven't bothered to pay up because there's no point in doing so. I wonder how many "ordinary people" are actually dual citizens without realising it? Like yourself, I have no idea what my citizenship status is other than I am Australian by naturalisation and use an Australian passport since my teens. However, my situation is slightly different in that at one point the dictatorship had decreed that all who had left were traitors and therefore citizenship was automatically lost, then it changed again and since then I haven't bothered trying to keep track of where things are at. I suppose if I ran for parliament then I would check it, and this is where the two senators screwed up. For me the only thing I am not clear on, is whether if the parents are overseas on an official government business, eg armed forces, diplomat, etc. are the kids dual citizen or not? By the same token a premature birth to an ordinary woman in a foreign country, does that automatically qualify as dual citizenship? What about a passport for the baby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Lol at u single nation nerds. I have a dual citizenship, Australian and Iraqi. Whichever way the pendulum swings I am safe. Alahu akbar glory to God and his prophets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 hours ago, NewConvert said: Like yourself, I have no idea what my citizenship status is other than I am Australian by naturalisation and use an Australian passport since my teens. However, my situation is slightly different in that at one point the dictatorship had decreed that all who had left were traitors and therefore citizenship was automatically lost, then it changed again and since then I haven't bothered trying to keep track of where things are at. I suppose if I ran for parliament then I would check it, and this is where the two senators screwed up. For me the only thing I am not clear on, is whether if the parents are overseas on an official government business, eg armed forces, diplomat, etc. are the kids dual citizen or not? By the same token a premature birth to an ordinary woman in a foreign country, does that automatically qualify as dual citizenship? What about a passport for the baby? My understanding of the situation described in your second paragraph is that application has to be made for the child to become an "Australian Citizen by Descent." http://www.border.gov.au/Citizenship/Pages/Child-born-overseas-to-an-Australian-citizen.aspx Whether or not the child is deemed a citizen of the country in which they were born varies from country to country. Spare a thought for all these poor children! Some born in aircraft, some on board ship - I believe in the latter case the child acquires citizenship of the country in which the vessel is registered - too bad if it's Panama or Liberia, perhaps not too bad if it's Bermuda, or Nassau in the Bahamas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 3 hours ago, strider said: Lol at u single nation nerds. I have a dual citizenship, Australian and Iraqi. Whichever way the pendulum swings I am safe. Alahu akbar glory to God and his prophets Says the Gers fan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, cadete said: Says the Gers fan... i only like them cos u hate them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 On 18/07/2017 at 8:03 PM, Shahanga said: You think if they had a brain they'd have joined the Greens? or the Nationals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) The fuck is going on, the Greens actually not only proposing a realistic economic policy, but a good one and better than both the major parties  http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/51-billion-budget-bonus-in-greens-plan-to-curb-negative-gearing-20170728-gxkrz4.html Though ideally I'd want the savings used to cut personal income taxes or something else rather than whatever retarded shit Greens will use it on.  Edited July 29, 2017 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted July 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) On 7/29/2017 at 1:58 PM, Tesla said: The fuck is going on, the Greens actually not only proposing a realistic economic policy, but a good one and better than both the major parties  http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/51-billion-budget-bonus-in-greens-plan-to-curb-negative-gearing-20170728-gxkrz4.html Though ideally I'd want the savings used to cut personal income taxes or something else rather than whatever retarded shit Greens will use it on.  The only long term Federal Policies that matter right now are those that the ALP announces... The Australian Public are desperate to see a stable Government and the ALP are going to romp in it in by ten lengths in both houses. The Greens have been exposed as not a legitimate second option to many in Left whilst the Liberal Infighting and their retarded new Education Funding is going to kill them in West Sydney alone.  Something pretty out there would have to happen right now for Bill Shorten not to be our next PM for at least two terms... Edited July 30, 2017 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, cadete said: The only long term Federal Policies that matter right now are those that the ALP announces... The Australian Public are desperate to see a stable Government and the ALP are going to romp in it in by ten lengths in both houses. The Greens have been exposed as not a legitimate second option to many in Left whilst the Liberal Infighting and their retarded new Education Funding is going to kill them in West Sydney alone.  Something pretty out there would have to happen right now for Bill Shorten not to be our next PM for at least two terms... Well, I'm in agreement with Bill on the proposed changes to Taxing Trusts, I work in the Tax world, it stinks, how much manipulation goes on is beyond belief, all for the sake of saving a few bucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 4 hours ago, japiedog said: Well, I'm in agreement with Bill on the proposed changes to Taxing Trusts, I work in the Tax world, it stinks, how much manipulation goes on is beyond belief, all for the sake of saving a few bucks If you work in the tax world then you know that Shortrn has not properly thought out his proposal as this will result in a huge amount of unintended persons being affeted. He has already conceded that the 2/3 of all trusts that will be affected are small businesses yet he has said these are not the intended targets of the measure. FWIW the majority of 'gaming' of the system with trusts purely comes about from back dating documentation illegally (namely trust distributions). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted July 31, 2017 Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, malloy said: If you work in the tax world then you know that Shortrn has not properly thought out his proposal as this will result in a huge amount of unintended persons being affeted. He has already conceded that the 2/3 of all trusts that will be affected are small businesses yet he has said these are not the intended targets of the measure. FWIW the majority of 'gaming' of the system with trusts purely comes about from back dating documentation illegally (namely trust distributions). back dating documentation illegally (namely trust distributions). THIS NEVER HAPPENS ! Both sides of politics have made comments on this over the years, no one has had the balls to actually do something significant to change the tax treatment of Trusts.   http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/trusts-shorten-channels-howard-costello-and-hockey-20170730-gxltqu.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 21 hours ago, japiedog said: back dating documentation illegally (namely trust distributions). THIS NEVER HAPPENS ! Both sides of politics have made comments on this over the years, no one has had the balls to actually do something significant to change the tax treatment of Trusts.   http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/trusts-shorten-channels-howard-costello-and-hockey-20170730-gxltqu.html Its not neccessarily that no one has the balls it is more that every proposed change so far has unintended and unwanted ramifications affecting more taxpayers than those that the changes are supposedly targeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) Can we start a Tax Thread? Edited August 1, 2017 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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